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    Turbo Timer

    I'm going to try fitting a HKS type 0 tomorrow

    should be interesting i'll let you know if it all goes wrong LOL nah should be fine just wondered were have other people placed the TT after install?
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    Good luck with the installation buddy. Please just be aware though (I am not having a dig, just giving you a heads up-but I'm sure you already know), as soon as you fit that turbo timer your car will be a lot more theft worthy/stealable.......
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    thanks mate, gonna include the hand brake connection as part of it n also the timer is not going to be on show....

    MOST IMPORTANT... i'm too paranoid to leave it running without me there so i would stand there like a lemon till it cut out lol
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    LOL! - Every car I have owned has been turbo'd apart from my current 2.8. All I used to do was take it easy for the last mile home which gave the turbo plenty of time to wind itself down / chill out. Sometimes when I got home I found it sitting in a deck chair sipping pina coladas through a twisty straw........I'm a twat, I know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixv6quattro View Post
    LOL! - Every car I have owned has been turbo'd apart from my current 2.8. All I used to do was take it easy for the last mile home which gave the turbo plenty of time to wind itself down / chill out. Sometimes when I got home I found it sitting in a deck chair sipping pina coladas through a twisty straw........I'm a twat, I know!
    LOL i normally have plenty of time eg getting my daughter out etc but as a precousion i'd ratther have it timed sad i know i'll post sum pics soon foxmeister
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    I hear you! precaution is better than cure! And if in doubt, bang one out!!! LOL!! (Like me when I am bored.........sorry gents.....!....)
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    I dont rate them at all. Sitting idling isnt good for any engine, and will raise underbonnet and coolant temperatures.

    All you need to do is drive the car gently for the last few minutes like phoenix says, and tbh your usually driving around in residential areas for the last few minutes anyway so it happens without you even thinking about it. Then you can just park up and shut the engine off.

    Would also be worth mentioning it to the insurance company, as i'm sure they wouldnt hesitate to use to to wangle out of a claim.

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    Be aware if you do mention it to them it WILL increase your premium due to it making the car easier to steal...
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    TT went in a breeze hardest bit was the dash lol, RE above i will be informing the insurance company at a later date as i have a few other bits i need to do 1st.
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    Fair one mate. Well done with the install. I know some insurance coys can be quite understanding/relaxed with things like this. I know for a fact though that when I was using HIC and I installed a timer on my liner that my premium increased by 42. They were not very happy at all about it. They stated it voided the fact that I had a thatcham cat 1.... But then again HIC were gash!! Churchill ( my current insurer ), is ace though. When I informed them about the new Porsche wheels it only went up by 3 !!!
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    Porsche rims...? they must look the nuts. i'm with adrian flux (have been for 6yrs) and they've been pretty good so far with my mods
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    I'd put teh TurboTimer on E-Bay and buy a fire alarm with a snooze button. Honestly mate they are a complete gimmick and serve next to no real world benefit. Kids seem to love them and will quote all sorts of BS at you for them. Also worth noting some insurers will declare the theft part of your insurance void if you have one fitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixv6quattro View Post
    Fair one mate. Well done with the install. I know some insurance coys can be quite understanding/relaxed with things like this. I know for a fact though that when I was using HIC and I installed a timer on my liner that my premium increased by 42. They were not very happy at all about it. They stated it voided the fact that I had a thatcham cat 1.... But then again HIC were gash!! Churchill ( my current insurer ), is ace though. When I informed them about the new Porsche wheels it only went up by 3 !!!

    I would check exactly what Churchill are covering you for. HIC have always insured my projects as they are simply the only ones that will cover an extensively modified car adequately and on a like for like basis on the parts. HIC inure my current A4 and I pay a low price for the cover and mods done and some that I've not done yet and with business use.

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    In the 80's many custom builders were fitting after market turbo's to bikes, they used to suffer from bearing faliure due to oil starvation when the engine was cut.

    Some fitted an oil bath to help prevent this.

    Would it not be possible to rig up an external oil feed to the turbo that would feed oil to the bearing after the engine was switched off?

    If the oil is fed back to the sump after passing through the turbo, would it be possible to have a small pressurized oil tank (fitted above the turbo) fed by the main feed for the turbo, that would lubricate the bearing after the engine stopped

    Just a thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oranoco View Post
    I would check exactly what Churchill are covering you for. HIC have always insured my projects as they are simply the only ones that will cover an extensively modified car adequately and on a like for like basis on the parts. HIC inure my current A4 and I pay a low price for the cover and mods done and some that I've not done yet and with business use.
    Hello mate. I read, re-read then get a legal professional (I have a colleauge on the QC) to check every word of the insurance proposal before ANY signature goes anywhere near agreeing the terms. All the flaws are addressed and rectified accordingly. If I find my car gone in the morning they have to pay. If I find it on bricks the wheels get replaced with new ones. Even if it gets beamed up by a UFO guess what.....They will pay. My policy is so tight and loophole free it might as well be shrink wrapped. I will give you a prime example of how gash HIC are in a claim situation. In 2006 I was in Afghan and my liner was safe and sound in the barracks, parked up nxt to the block. There was a small fire in the block when I was away that melted the right side of the skylines paintwork and luckily only the tyres on that side were the only other thing that were damaged. So on my return I went mental because I needed 400 worth of tyres and a couple of grand for a re-spray. Obviously I made sure beforehand that my car was covered whilst on private property. HOWEVER, according to HIC MOD property was exempt from that!! They tried every trick in the book and every loop hole to avoid it, the sh1t bags! I got my claim money in the end through the civil courts, but had to front 5k on legal fees (that I invoiced HIC for) up front and it took 6 months!!! I won but jeez, what a ballache!!! They were dropped like a hot potatoe and the 100+ other lads with HIC in the barracks did the same quoteing my drama with them on doing so. They got their remaining months cost of premium back and didnt pay any cancellation fees because HIC shat themselves not wanting it to go public. They knew they had messed up and even sent a rep out to see me in person to apologise. I must have cost them close to 100k by then. I had the rep escorted of camp by the barrack guard. Then got inundated with sorry letters. Thats how gash they are. Have you ever had to claim from them? Good luck when you do(if) bud!

    Churchill however even gave me a 10% discount for being in the army! Fair play! And when I made a claim for a rear spoiler being nicked off the liner they paid in full on time with no arguments. And it hardly affected my premium. Excellent......Been out the mob for a year now and they still upheld the 10% discount and have been excellent. They even call me now and again to see if I am happy with everything.
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    I am not a believer in TT's myself but...
    I bought a kit in Canada that allows you to remote start the car and let it warm up and defrost in winter.
    almost all decent cars over there have them fitted either from the factory or at the dealers
    obviously easier with an auto as there is no risk of in gear starts but it works in conjuction with the alarm but I bought an manual version with all sorts of switches and sensors to avoid that and the obvious risk of theft

    basically the car starts using a seperate remote start fob from your nice warm house pointing throgh the kitchen window (or similar! ) but the alarm is still on (obviously not imobilised) if any car door is opened without unlocking with the OEM fob the engine cuts and immo kicks in. if the clutch is depressed without the key in the ignition the same, handbrake released...same, if the bonnet opens ..same.

    you can't touch the car without the key or it is immobilised.

    It also works as a turbo timer as you can keep the car running after you get out, same deal on the alarm aspect.
    never fitted it as the wiring diagram looked like a map of London at night.
    it intrigues me that insurers here get their knickers in a twist over a product that you can buy from the factory in the US/Canada.

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    I'd be very surprised if the manufacturers would endorse such a product...

    Cold starting cars and letting them warm up at idle really isnt good for the engine, and most cars manuals (certainly all the manuals i've ever bothered to look at) will state that the car should be started and driven off immediately, not left to idle, as this prolongs the warm up time and hence exaggerates the wear on the engine.

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    they fit them at the factory and the dealerships on GMC, Pontiac and Ford in Canada. can't vouch for any others.

    and a quick squiz on Google ...apparently Toyota....
    http://www.toyota.ca/cgi-bin/WebObje...age=english%3E

    They obviously don't agree with start and drive theory

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    my experience is the same as aragorns. i just get it going asap if its chilly

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    just thought id put my thoughts forwards on turbo timers. i bought i scooby couple of years ago and it already had one fitted really cool i thought, had it set for 30secs, got loads of odd looks when leaving a running car, one thing you will be peed off when filling up had loads of attendants refusing to turn pumps on as car was running!. also fitted cat 1 alarm but any insurance rating was canceled by tt. (however autowatch and i think clifford offer a tt on their cat 1s). i always thought that the timers were to let the oil cool down before turning off so it doesn't cook the oil. NOT TRUE oil is quite happy at high temp and will not be damaged if left hot. this came to light after i was discussing it with a friend (ex cosworth and Ferrari F1) the timers are used to stop oil starvation on start up. when an engine is running as the pistons are going up and down they create a vacuum in the sump, hence a breather system, but if the car is being driven hard then turned off straight away before the vacuum has a chance to dissipate then the vacuum will suck the oil back into the sump from the oil feed to the turbo so next time the car is started there will be no oil at the turbo this will obviously shorten the life of the turbo. so all you need to do is drive slowly for last mile or so and just let the car run for a few seconds before turning off leaving for longer just raises the temp under the bonnet (not good)

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    Electricracer: i've never heard of that explanation before, the crank case breather system is effectively open so any vaccuum would dissipate instantly.

    The turbo can reach temperatures of many hundered degrees and if you shut the engine off too quickly the heat soaks back into the bearings and turns the oil to carbon.

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    thats how it was explained to me, hes worked for cosworth, and he was the oils and lubricants guy for the Ferrari f1 team so he does know his stuff

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    have to say the similarities between out vac systems and anything an F1 car may run have got to be minimal.
    they don't run timers but they do preheat everything and circulate oil coolant before the car even starts.

    shouldn't think they use the oils we can buy in halfrauds either

    coked up journal bearing CHRA's are a sight any Renault 5 Turbo owner will know intimately.
    Yes oil is comfortable at temperatuers much higher than the engine will normally throw at it but semi synthetic or even some fully synthetic oils start to degrade at temperatuers over 500deg.
    easily acheiveable at a turbine housing. EGT can top 1000 on hard run cars.
    you kill the ignition while the turbine housing is still glowing five shades of cherry and the oil/water still in the housing can literally boil. do it repeatedly and the carbon build up can block the restrictor nozzles and create a sticky film on the journal bearings.

    a 2 minute coast down can drop the turbine housing temps by 500 degrees.

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    Yeah thats right. The engines on an F1 car are intraveneously fed oil thats pre-heated before they are started. Saw it on Top Gear ! What a ball ache that must be, can you imagine that on a Monday morning? "Excuse me dear, just need the microwave to heat up some oil for my car........".........Bugger that!

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