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    WORN TURBO

    Been diagnosed with a worn turbo due to it not holding more bost than about 1 bar even though the remap should take it to 1.4 - 1.5, they checked the actuator and for boost leaks and this was all ok, so what's the best place to get a hybrid ko3 for my 1.8 qts and what sort of prices am i looking at,i'll need to source another ko3 to do it to as i need the car every day and i can then just swap the turbo one weekend,

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    would a turbo off a BEX engine code fit as i think this may be a cheaper option if i can source a good one and get it checked

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    What the hell is worn on it to only produce 2/3rds boost? Usually it's only the seals and bearings that wear, but they would result in either smoke or noise as the blades hit the casing.
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    A k03 at 1.5 bar will be screaming it's nuts off. That will be well past it's efficient working range will it not? I can't see anything that wold wear on a turbo to stop it producing boost unless the blades were falling off.

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    the wastegate internally falls apart which is a problem i had. basically it then can't close properly and hold boost.
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    surely you could diagnose that by whipping the CAT off?
    possible but I would want to see the evidence before shelling out for a new turbo.

    did it hold 1.5 before?

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    Just get the exhaust housing from a dead turbo and swap it over.

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    Our wastegate is currently broken, and it makes no boost at all. it certainly wouldnt be holding a bar with a broken wastegate.

    The actuator might be weak, or the wastegate seat might be a bit crappy causing a bad seal. You might also have a leaking dump valve if its old or not upgraded to TT spec or better, or some other boost leak. A hose clip that holds 12psi might not like holding 20...

    A BEX turbo will fit, and is a bit larger than your existing one, its more akin to a k04-015.

    18psi is about the max you really want to push thru a k03, 20psi is getting a bit dodgy imo, and with the larger BEX turbo, you'll make more power with the same boost.

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    Have you checked the vac lines going from the N75 to the actuator?
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    if the vac lines were split the actuator would surely just stay closed and it would massively overboost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Thunder View Post
    Have you checked the vac lines going from the N75 to the actuator?
    all been checked by the garage,checked for boost leaks actuator not at fault as he used a pressure tester thing to check, excuse the lack of correct terminology, got an uprated 710n valve fitted and an n75j, so am just getting prices on getting a hybrid one which will get the most out of the superchip without running it at the end of it's cappabilities, not sure what else on the turbo itself would cause it not to hold the boost, a crack maybe!
    doesn't smoke or rattle
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    feel like one of those scroll hybrids but i need to keep the car on the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Our wastegate is currently broken, and it makes no boost at all. it certainly wouldnt be holding a bar with a broken wastegate.

    The actuator might be weak, or the wastegate seat might be a bit crappy causing a bad seal. You might also have a leaking dump valve if its old or not upgraded to TT spec or better, or some other boost leak. A hose clip that holds 12psi might not like holding 20...

    A BEX turbo will fit, and is a bit larger than your existing one, its more akin to a k04-015.

    18psi is about the max you really want to push thru a k03, 20psi is getting a bit dodgy imo, and with the larger BEX turbo, you'll make more power with the same boost.

    What car has the BEX?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Our wastegate is currently broken, and it makes no boost at all. it certainly wouldnt be holding a bar with a broken wastegate.

    The actuator might be weak, or the wastegate seat might be a bit crappy causing a bad seal. You might also have a leaking dump valve if its old or not upgraded to TT spec or better, or some other boost leak. A hose clip that holds 12psi might not like holding 20...

    A BEX turbo will fit, and is a bit larger than your existing one, its more akin to a k04-015.

    18psi is about the max you really want to push thru a k03, 20psi is getting a bit dodgy imo, and with the larger BEX turbo, you'll make more power with the same boost.

    What car has the BEX?
    Drizz Developments - Audi A4 Avant Quattro Sport

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    i think its the b6 a4 190 bhp version

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcb View Post
    surely you could diagnose that by whipping the CAT off?
    possible but I would want to see the evidence before shelling out for a new turbo.

    did it hold 1.5 before?
    no as the n75j use to cause boost spikes which the car didn't like, was hoping the chip would cure this but it's just highlighted where the
    problem is

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    I have a Scroll Products SP51R (around 8K miles on it) for sale if you want it?.. It's pretty much ready to be parceled up. PM me if you're interested mate.

    As others have said I'd double check the diagnosis first though as it sounds a bit odd to me? Who provides a K03 map to boost at 1.5bar?.. That's a lot of boost for the little K03 to handle!

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    it's a superchip so reputable company and it's the ko3s tubo on the 180bhp version

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie226bhp View Post
    it's a superchip so reputable company and it's the ko3s tubo on the 180bhp version
    They all use the same K03 turbo (150 & 180HP) we've discovered so they're working the nuts off of that. I didn't know Superchips did custom maps?!

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    not custom but the map makes it boost to 1.4 bar, which i thought was high but like i say i trusted the name and the place doing it, wanted a hybrid anyway so this gets me off with it as it's not me buying one but the garage saying we need to replace
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    Ha ha I take it you've got a wife/girlfriend then lol.

    I didn't know Superchips offered anything other than the generic +30HP / + 50HP maps for our cars.

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    it must be one of those,as it was only meant to take it to 210 bhp but like you say the boost seems high

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    I would've thought that'd be about 1.1bar to be honest mate.

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    yep just spoke to him and he tweaked the chip for me, all for 300

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    Replace the turbo by all means, but seriously, dont try to run 1.4bar, unless you want to be replacing them every couple months.

    The only B5's with the K03S are the very late DBW cars, and they're all 150hp engines. All audi did with the AJL was up the boost from 8psi to 12psi. If you want 210hp then you should only need around 1.1-1.2bar. The turbo will be getting very inefficent, and you can even find that it will make more power at 1.2bar than it will at 1.4, as its working more efficiently.

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    Drizz: Ye the BEX is the 190hp B6 engine. It has a K03-073 turbo, which is slightly larger than the k03-029 (K03S) thats fitted to the rest of the B6 range, which in turn is larger than the K03-005 thats fitted to most B5's including the AJL and AEB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Replace the turbo by all means, but seriously, dont try to run 1.4bar, unless you want to be replacing them every couple months.

    The only B5's with the K03S are the very late DBW cars, and they're all 150hp engines. All audi did with the AJL was up the boost from 8psi to 12psi. If you want 210hp then you should only need around 1.1-1.2bar. The turbo will be getting very inefficent, and you can even find that it will make more power at 1.2bar than it will at 1.4, as its working more efficiently.
    but a hybrid one should be ok at the 1.3 or 1.4 bar as long as that's the optimum amount of boost and built for it,with fmic etc, just waiting to get a price on a new hybrid or get the one lee offered
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    Any K03 will be running at stupid RPM to produce 1.4bar, and stupid RPM will reduce the life of the CHRA bearings and shaft etc quite drastically.

    A quick squint at the compressor map will show you what i mean.

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    what are the ko4's and the hybrid ko3's meant to run

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    The hybrid i use is recomended to run a max of 22PSI IIRC as the amount of air for a given pressure is more, so it doesnt need to have the life wrung out of it all the time to get decent power.

    I certainly wouldnt want to run a daily driven K03 to that level, the thriottle must be like an on/off switch and the torque curve must spike like a Biatch

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    the same 18-20psi range really.

    The extra power comes from the turbo being larger, not from running more boost.

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    to use to the ford turbo's that run the 1.5 bar and not the small audi one's. is that 22 psi occasionally peak or can hold 22 psi max

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    check that the wastegate disc in the ehaust housing is still attached properly to the arm, mine wasn't, when wastegate opened the pressure pushed the disc/valve out of the way but then wouldn't always sit home properly, sometimes as standard i'd get 6 psi then next moment i would get aorund 12 psi. this maybe what yours is doing albiet as it is chipped at a higher psi, hence the overboost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macca View Post
    check that the wastegate disc in the ehaust housing is still attached properly to the arm, mine wasn't, when wastegate opened the pressure pushed the disc/valve out of the way but then wouldn't always sit home properly, sometimes as standard i'd get 6 psi then next moment i would get aorund 12 psi. this maybe what yours is doing albiet as it is chipped at a higher psi, hence the overboost.
    did you just change fix that part or get the turbo refreshed while it was off

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    the turbo went elsewhere on this forum, but i am sure it could have been fixed easily, it was almost like the part was riverted on, the best is to get your turbo off and have a look what is going on, someone like CR Turbos can then recondition or sort it out for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzan A4 View Post
    The hybrid i use is recomended to run a max of 22PSI IIRC as the amount of air for a given pressure is more, so it doesnt need to have the life wrung out of it all the time to get decent power.

    I certainly wouldnt want to run a daily driven K03 to that level, the thriottle must be like an on/off switch and the torque curve must spike like a Biatch
    just done a conversion and 1.4 bar is just over 20 psi,

 

 

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