Engine management query

Oranoco

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I have the oppertunity to get my hands ona quite rare Webber 882c ECU and full loom. I was thinking of sticking it into my Escort project but somebody mentioned the Audi and now I can't help but think "big turbo and larger injectors" to go with the front mount at the end of the month
 
Personally, mappable management and daily drivers dont go together. You will never get the map and all the secondary functions like cold start as good as the original Audi ECU, and given that the Audi ECU can be remapped to run the big turbo/injectors, it seems a bit crazy to start from scratch, and end up with an substandard result.
 
not if it results in 350bhp!!
"Do it" I say!!

lots of megsquirt, Emerald etc SEM (Standalone Engine Management) cars run as daily drivers.
 
yer but you can easily get 350hp from the standard management with the correct mapping as you yourself are planning on doing just that, and you'll still have the millions of pounds of development that audi put into the ecu to make it "work right".

I'm not saying you CANT use a SEM car as a daily, but where theres a choice, OEM wins out every time. Even simple things like OBD or the trip computer information would be lost, and while each on its own doesnt sound a big deal, all these little bits add up.
 
My car hasn't been fully mapped, yet starts properly in all weathers so far. I wouldn't call it sub-standard. All I'd say is stand alone isn't for you if you're no good with numbers and maps.

I have also fitted DTA and MBE to various Vauxhall and VW's over the years, with good results, no dips in power delivery and driveability, and they start fine, even in savage winters. As long as you map it properly, why would it be sub-standard?

Stock ECU is ok, but has been designed as a compromise between power and fuel economy, with emissions being the main focus. However, it's less flexible in terms of future upgrades.

Trip computer - if you're making big power, you're looking to spend more on gas, simple. You can use an AFR, combined with your trip meter, to know what your consumption is.

OBD is no big deal - you can still check for faults via the serial port for your particular stand alone.

Manufacturers may spend billions on their ECU's, suspension, engines, trannies etc, but it doesn't make it right for everyone that buys their cars, an "ideal" OEM set-up is subjective, while it may be "right", if it doesn't fulfil your needs in an automobile, then it becomes irrelevant, regardless of the R&D and fat budget that went into it.

Same reason we modify our headlamps, brakes, suspension, engines with big injectors and turbos etc. These also had $$$ spent on them too, but we want it to be what WE want, not what some stuffed shirts in a big boardroom decide what they feel we should have.
 
I agree there is a time and place for mappable management, and a V8 with a pair of GT28's nailed on the side, or a snorting track car with wild cams and throttle bodies is right up its street.

A 1.8T running a big turbo however is not, unless ofcourse he was planning on fitting a GT35 and making 600hp.

I've messed with a DTA unit and looked into megasquirt, but they're certainly not easy to map, even if your good with figures. You need to know what figures the engine wants, ie how much ignition advance is safe across both RPM and load sites, and then the fuelling, and it all comes down to the guy doing the mapping. Yes you could map it yourself, but when you punch holes in the pistons of your expensive freshly built engine you wont be very happy.

A friend of mine built a pretty well tweaked 1.6 8v engine for his Nova a few years ago. Since its not 1979 we decided to avoid twin webbers and go with DTA and EFI. Got it all running and took it to dastek in fife for a map. £500 later, it was "mapped" and made 150hp at 7100rpm, beautiful torque curve and power delivery. It could really have done with another 900rpm to make the most of the cam, as the power was still climing at the limiter, but we didnt have solid lifters in the motor. Sounds great, until you tried to start it from cold, or drive it round asda car park, or infact do anything that didnt involve full throttle. The low/midrange area of the map was absolute garbage. Now yes, it was all down to the people that mapped it, but unfortunately you dont find that out until after spending the money.

I guess it depends how you see your daily driver. To me a daily should be something thats completely reliable, perhaps even a little boring, reasonably frugal etc. It should have all the toys and luxuries to get on with the daily grind. The weekend/day-off/fun car is the one with the snorting great V8 and a pair of blowers the size of the moon.

I'd happily fit megasquirt to my Disco (and probably will at some point) becuase the OE options are crap, and 'squirt allows me to use wasted spark and suchlike. The Defender however will be running on the standard A8 ECU, becuase its best suited for the job.

From how i understand it, Oranoco has his escort as a toy, and the A4 is his everyday motor, and given that i cant see him dropping 10k into the engine of the A4, i think that sticking with a standard management system is the best option in this case, even if he fits a bigger turbo. The escort engine is quite likely in a higher state of tune, and the OE escort management is probably a LOT worse than the Motronic system in the A4 too (didnt they come with k-jet?), so theres much more benefit to be had there.
 
To me a daily should be something thats completely reliable, perhaps even a little boring, reasonably frugal etc. It should have all the toys and luxuries to get on with the daily grind. The weekend/day-off/fun car is the one with the snorting great V8 and a pair of blowers the size of the moon.

Ah...my perfect daily is:
looks plain and boring so as not to get keyed or stolen attract unwanted chav and rozzers, preferably 4wd,
estate body for hauling crap,
tow bar for hauling more crap.
leather seats for wiping kids crap off,
roof bars for hauling crap on the roof,
and then teh good stuff:
400bhp for embarrasing porsche owners
adjustable suspension for switching between hauling crap and embarrassing RS4 owners on the track
brakes the size of dinner plates
bolted down drivetrain and Quaife ATB.

just went to check up on my engine and should done next week.....

luckily there are maps out there that means I don't lose the knock sensors and other things SEM sometimes falls through on.

BTW you can get a plug and play 1000cc injector file for DBW and non DBW 1.8t ECU's. big enough for any GT35-40.