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    Battery. EDIT: Possible Alternator

    I need a new battery as this current one is borderline failing.

    Any recommendations on size, amps and make?

    Also, is this battery the right way round?

    Its really annoying that the terminals are under the scuttle plate, it seems wrong.
    Surely they should be towards the engine, so you can access them when you remove battery cover.
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    that looks the wrong way round compared to how my passat was

    make wise as long as it has a 4 year warrennty and you keep the recipt you cant go wrong
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    There should also be plastic gas vent pipes that plug in the side of it (ay least, my two have them)

    If you're looking for a bigger capacity, go for the 2.5TDi battery as it has a huge cranking requirement. The one I fitted to the Avant is massive (struggled to get it in!) but the car will just about drive to Aberdeen on the starter now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste_Nova View Post
    that looks the wrong way round compared to how my passat was

    make wise as long as it has a 4 year warrennty and you keep the recipt you cant go wrong
    Quote Originally Posted by PAULF View Post


    There should also be plastic gas vent pipes that plug in the side of it (ay least, my two have them)

    If you're looking for a bigger capacity, go for the 2.5TDi battery as it has a huge cranking requirement. The one I fitted to the Avant is massive (struggled to get it in!) but the car will just about drive to Aberdeen on the starter now!
    I did not think it was right either.

    I'll take a look at the 2.5TDI batteries.
    Which way was the terminals?

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    i think thats the wrong battery with the terminals reversed
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    looks like what you have fitted is the 'standard' type of battery 096 Numax Car Battery 12V 72Ah - Car Batteries - Numax Car Batteries

    but you need a 'reverse'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste_Nova View Post
    looks like what you have fitted is the 'standard' type of battery 096 Numax Car Battery 12V 72Ah - Car Batteries - Numax Car Batteries

    but you need a 'reverse'

    096R Numax Car Battery 12V 72AH - Car Batteries - Numax Car Batteries
    That one looks better.

    Off to find a massive battery lol

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    Just looked at my saloon, positive is outboard, negative inboard.
    The terminals are nearest to the front of the car (engine)

    I can't remember what I got for the Avant now. It was a REALLY tight fit - I didn't need the clamp- and a CCA of over 900A!

    I think the 2.5TDI needs over 750 CCA, compared to the 680 in the link above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULF View Post
    Just looked at my saloon, positive is outboard, negative inboard.
    The terminals are nearest to the front of the car (engine)

    I can't remember what I got for the Avant now. It was a REALLY tight fit - I didn't need the clamp- and a CCA of over 900A!

    I think the 2.5TDI needs over 750 CCA, compared to the 680 in the link above.
    There's a clamp?

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    Varta batteries seem to be ok when ive used them in the past. As long as your alternator is charging and your amp rating is that of the same or slightly higger i wouldnt see a problem with any battery obviously quality looks better lol
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    Different clamp on the big old v6 Tdi batteries than the smaller petrol saloon set up..
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    096 should fit with the standard clamp afaik, it'll sit on the last of the three holes.

    Theres an EVEN larger one which is probably what paul mentions above, it DOES need a clamp, its just different and attaches directly to the shell rather than to the battery tray. Running with no clamp is an MOT failure, and also 3pts and a 60quid fine if your stopped and a copper happens to notice it!

    Facelifts have the terminals the other way round to PFL's which helps the confusion, the PFL batteries are awkward to find, so often you'll find that someones fitted one with FL style terminals and installed it backwards like yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradderz_1988 View Post
    Varta batteries seem to be ok when ive used them in the past. As long as your alternator is charging and your amp rating is that of the same or slightly higger i wouldnt see a problem with any battery obviously quality looks better lol
    After some food, a bit of thought and long drive to work I noticed that my battery gauge moves.

    Get in the car and before I start it sits at 12v, start the car and it drops to about 8-10.
    In the car with the engine running and everything off, its sitting just above 12v, so possible 12.5 or 13v.
    with the lights on, heated seat on, stereo and redemister it started to drop down to about 11v while on my drive in to work.
    After 10mins or so I turned the seat off and the rear demister and the voltage sat about 11/12v.

    Is the gauge showing the volts in the batter or what the alternator is kicking out?

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    Guage is showing the voltage of the cars electrical system as a whole (or at least, the power supply to the dash cluster).

    With engine off this is only the battery, with the engine running this should mostly show alternator charging voltage (14v) unless you draw more current than the alternator can supply, at which point you'll drop down to battery voltage again.

    If its dropping much below 14v in normal operation the alternators faulty. You may sometimes find that at idle with everything electrical on, the voltage will drop because the alternator cant keep up, but raise the revs up and the voltage should come back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Guage is showing the voltage of the cars electrical system as a whole (or at least, the power supply to the dash cluster).

    With engine off this is only the battery, with the engine running this should mostly show alternator charging voltage (14v) unless you draw more current than the alternator can supply, at which point you'll drop down to battery voltage again.

    If its dropping much below 14v in normal operation the alternators faulty. You may sometimes find that at idle with everything electrical on, the voltage will drop because the alternator cant keep up, but raise the revs up and the voltage should come back up.
    That was my thinking.

    I'll slap some multimeter on the back of alternator to check what that's kicking out to make sure there is no dodgy earths or cables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    096 should fit with the standard clamp afaik, it'll sit on the last of the three holes.

    Theres an EVEN larger one which is probably what paul mentions above, it DOES need a clamp, its just different and attaches directly to the shell rather than to the battery tray. Running with no clamp is an MOT failure, and also 3pts and a 60quid fine if your stopped and a copper happens to notice it!
    Yes, there is a clamp that sits in on the corner of the battery, however......

    I bought a battery that was a little too long, but still clamped in using that hole and a Ford clamp. After having grief with starting, I decided to get the biggest CCA I could find, so I got one that was listed as for an A4 B5, but is actually bigger, and sits solidly jammed in the tray and bodyshell, with no room for any clamp, and no movement at all. AFAIK, it's 'insecure' that is the issue, and it is VERY secure (it WILL last the life of the car as I don't know if I can remove it!)
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    With regards to your fault Scott, did you see my thread Alternator coming 'on-line' issue ?

    Just as food for thought............


    (I still haven't got around to looking at it yet as I'm getting the tractor and snow plough ready )
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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULF View Post
    Yes, there is a clamp that sits in on the corner of the battery, however......

    I bought a battery that was a little too long, but still clamped in using that hole and a Ford clamp. After having grief with starting, I decided to get the biggest CCA I could find, so I got one that was listed as for an A4 B5, but is actually bigger, and sits solidly jammed in the tray and bodyshell, with no room for any clamp, and no movement at all. AFAIK, it's 'insecure' that is the issue, and it is VERY secure (it WILL last the life of the car as I don't know if I can remove it!)
    Make, model, size, pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULF View Post
    With regards to your fault Scott, did you see my thread Alternator coming 'on-line' issue ?

    Just as food for thought............


    (I still haven't got around to looking at it yet as I'm getting the tractor and snow plough ready )
    Looking now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottB5 View Post
    Make, model, size, pics?
    I'll try and get some info, but it'll be a while as we're on opposite shifts at the moment

    Looking now.

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    Scott, GSF have a battery sale on at the moment.

    If you buy online and use the voucher code:

    BAT202012

    You will get 20% off of RRP

    Hope you can get it sorted. The snow's a joke right?!?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by warren_S3 View Post
    Scott, GSF have a battery sale on at the moment.

    If you buy online and use the voucher code:

    BAT202012

    You will get 20% off of RRP

    Hope you can get it sorted. The snow's a joke right?!?!?!
    Thanks mate.
    I'll take a look.
    going to do some more testing this week to make sure what I need and take it from there
    I'm in no massive rush and it still works, plus its tight month. so it can wait till it stops. lol

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    Did a bit of testing when I got home.

    Its currently charging at 13.60v at any revs.
    Turning on heated seats, rear demister, stereo and a lights, the charging voltage drops down to sub 13v.

    With the engine off the battery will seat at about 12.4v but soon as I turn the lights on the battery will quickly lose power.

    It seems definite that I need a new battery and alternator.
    Due to crap at the moment, I'll have to wait till it fully dies but I guess it gives me time to find the right parts and anything else to go with it.

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    Scott,

    If cash is tight, I've recovered several batteries sucessfully by testing the specific gravity, topping them up with acid (not distillled water) to give the correct SG, and dropping in the anti-sulphate tablets.

    1ltr of H2SO4 at 35%(ish) was less than a fiver, and a pack of Battery Aid (or similar) about £2. A cheap battery hydrometer was about a fiver too.

    However, I have also had a couple of failures over the years......

    There are more advanced methods of saving it, but they get less effective and more hassle.
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    The issue hes got is the low charging voltage will be causing sulfation in the batteries cells, ie his duff alternator is making the battery worse.

    Personally i'd give the battery a good charge with a proper battery charger and see if that improves its condition before writing it off as dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULF View Post
    Scott,

    If cash is tight, I've recovered several batteries sucessfully by testing the specific gravity, topping them up with acid (not distillled water) to give the correct SG, and dropping in the anti-sulphate tablets.

    1ltr of H2SO4 at 35%(ish) was less than a fiver, and a pack of Battery Aid (or similar) about £2. A cheap battery hydrometer was about a fiver too.

    However, I have also had a couple of failures over the years......

    There are more advanced methods of saving it, but they get less effective and more hassle.
    That's not a bad idea but with the alternator not being 100% I think it will happen again.
    I'm just going to wait.
    It still starts and drives, that's all what's important at the moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    The issue hes got is the low charging voltage will be causing sulfation in the batteries cells, ie his duff alternator is making the battery worse.

    Personally i'd give the battery a good charge with a proper battery charger and see if that improves its condition before writing it off as dead.
    Good charge the battery might help but I've still got a dieing alternator.
    For now it drives.
    When that changes I'll change the battery and Alternator.
    I got a friend of a friend who works at a Battery shop (only found out last night), he's going to take a look at batteries for me.

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    Re: Battery. EDIT: Possible Alternator

    Replaced the battery and all was fine.
    I could sit on the ferry for 30 mins with no issues.

    On the way home sat at traffic lights the charging gauge dropped to 12.5volts.
    Pull away it goes to 14v.
    ******!!

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    Dropping to 12.5v at idle with a lot of electrical load is acceptable, so long as it rises again when you raise the engine RPM.

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    Re: Battery. EDIT: Possible Alternator

    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Dropping to 12.5v at idle with a lot of electrical load is acceptable, so long as it rises again when you raise the engine RPM.
    Stereo, lights, two heated seats and rear demister is a lot of load I guess.

    On the way home I turned everything off but when I stopped at a couple of traffic lights just before home and when I got home, I turned everything off and it never moved.
    Hmmm I might be paranoid.

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    yeh lots of heating elements, brake lights, headlights, blower fan etc its a lot of load, and the alternator most likely cant keep up at idle. Thats not an issue so long as it does come back up to 14 if you raise the RPM's slightly.

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