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    1.8T to S4 clutch upgrade questions

    Hi,

    My clutch has started slipping (probably down to age and the 20psi going through it) so I feel it's time to upgrade to the B5 S4 clutch in readiness for the upcoming GT28 next year.

    Seen this flywheel kit which allows upgrade to the S4 clutch:

    Audi B5 A4 Quattro 1.8T > Drivetrain > Clutch > ES#12084 ECS RA4 Steel Flywheel Kit - ECS212321B5KT

    One I got this, would all that I need be the S4 clutch kit or are there other parts required?

    Where's the best place to get a B5 S4 clutch kit from that will be reliable? Any ideas?

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    Gsf or euros I'd have thought


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    Or just buy the complete kit from ECS if you`re going to get the flywheel from them?

    If you buy it seperate over here then the RS4 clutch is barely any different in cost so you might aswell go the whole hog and future proof it.

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    work at euros clutch kit part no 641441570- 179+ vat retail but can get 25% on website at mo

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    Or you could fit this mate 110756040178

    If just done the 1Z conversion with the ata/agk pressure plate and V8 friction disc all for £280 and I can honestly say its transformed the way the car puts the power down as the clutch was totally knackered and I hated the DM flywheel !!
    1999 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro Sport - Volcano Black

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    Cheers for the replies. Think I'll take Jason's advice and go RS4, make it futureproof.

    Cheers for the link Bradderz.
    1999 B5 k04'd S4. Eibach coilovers, RS6 front brakes, RS4 Rears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradderz_1988 View Post
    Or you could fit this mate 110756040178

    If just done the 1Z conversion with the ata/agk pressure plate and V8 friction disc all for £280 and I can honestly say its transformed the way the car puts the power down as the clutch was totally knackered and I hated the DM flywheel !!
    What bits do you need for this conversion and what vehicles are they from? Sounds good value for money.
    1999 B5 k04'd S4. Eibach coilovers, RS6 front brakes, RS4 Rears.

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    You need the 1z flywheel fitted to some Audi 80 tdi and 2.0 and some early A4's an S2 clutch which is fitted with a SM flywheel or either the ata/agk pressure from a VW LT van and V8 friction disc.
    1999 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro Sport - Volcano Black

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    As Bradderz says, you need:

    Audi "1Z" flywheel. Its fitted to most 1.8/1.9/2.0 4 cylinder Audi 80/100 models including the coupes. Expect to pay around £30 used, or £120ish new.

    then either

    complete 3B engined S2 clutch kit

    or

    Clutch pressure plate from a VW LT Van with an ATA or AGK engine
    240mm Friction plate from more or less any longitudinal Audi, i used a B6 S4 V8 one as it was on ebay cheap.
    release bearing (standard A4 one will work)


    I went with the second option, as i found the pressure plate and friction plate on ebay for around £110 all in.

    Then you need to have the flywheel redrilled to accept the larger pressure plate by a competent machine shop, and preferably balanced afterwards (i didnt have mine balanced though, and it seems fine) This cost me 90quid iirc.

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    They still have the friction plate on eBay that i used at the mo but I think I have purchased there last ATA/AGK pressure plate they had in stock, I priced both of these from TPS to see how much they where and they where around £98 each (remanufactured) for them.
    1999 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro Sport - Volcano Black

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    To do - F21 Upgrade - 3" Maf/Saab red Injectors
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    im just about to replace my clutch but know ive seen this thred its got me thimking any one know the o.e number on the 1z flywheel
    as can get the s2 clutch for 120 brand new (sachs) if my flywheels gone im going to be up for this conersion.

    also i take it this would work for the 1.8t fwd models as well as the quattro?

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    yup indeed it would.
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    Yep as i have a FWD and have done it. OEM number is 026105269L (x for exchange)

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    tangerine, make sure the clutch you've found is from a 3B engined S2. Most S2's use a dual mass and "pot" style flywheel, only the 3B has the single mass flat unit.

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    it should be mate done it at work ( eurous) listed for 2.2 20v turbo quatro (3b) sachs part number 3000 455 001

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason.s View Post
    Yep as i have a FWD and have done it. OEM number is 026105269L (x for exchange)
    how much is a new one jason because struggling to find any used?

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    That sachs part number isnt correct. Its for the older 016 gearbox and has a different friction disk with the thinner 24 spline input shaft rather than the thicker 23spline shaft your box has.

    The pressure plate in that kit is correct though.

    Sachs dont do a kit for the 3B S2, they only sell the pressure plate and friction plate as seperate components.

    Friction plate is 1862 625 001
    Pressure plate is 3082 919 001

    You can use that pressure plate with one of the V8 disks from ebay if you want though.

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    Inc vat with the surcharge which you`ll have to pay its £155.15 unless your local VW/Audi dealer will give you discount for working at Euros.

    Is it not one you can cross refer over from the genuine part number to your system and find a non gen one?
    Last edited by Jason.s; 7th December 2011 at 14:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    That sachs part number isnt correct. Its for the older 016 gearbox and has a different friction disk with the thinner 24 spline input shaft rather than the thicker 23spline shaft your box has.

    The pressure plate in that kit is correct though.

    Sachs dont do a kit for the 3B S2, they only sell the pressure plate and friction plate as seperate components.

    Friction plate is 1862 625 001
    Pressure plate is 3082 919 001

    You can use that pressure plate with one of the V8 disks from ebay if you want though.
    okay so if i got that

    sachs pressure plate (3082919001)
    flywheel from jason.s
    and v8 disk from ebay
    then use the standard release bearing?

    do you have ebay link to disk aragon

    cheers for all your help mate

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    There are plenty Audi 80's breaking on ebay, surely you can find a flywheel from one of them!

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    Why not try this thread for phone numbers to source one.

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    Sorry to bump this but would an S4/RS4 clutch kit then work with the Audi 80 flywheel?

    Or do you have to use the below options?


    complete 3B engined S2 clutch kit
    or
    Clutch pressure plate from a VW LT Van with an ATA or AGK engine
    240mm Friction plate from more or less any longitudinal Audi, i used a B6 S4 V8 one as it was on ebay cheap.
    release bearing (standard A4 one will work)
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    S4 clutch wouldn't work, because the S4 flywheel isnt flat. It has a recessed area where the friction plate sits.

    the S2 clutch is designed for a flat flywheel, which matches the Audi 80 part.

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    Hes selling a brand new ecs fly and rs4 clutch PM B5QUAT.
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    Yeah I saw that. My clutch is tip top and was thinking about buying it just to have incase it ever goes.

    Read a few mixed reviews over the past hour on the ECS kit also.
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    Yeah ive heard mixed reviews about the ecs fly too !!

    im running the 80 fly with LT pressure plate and S4 friction plate.
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    Hi, although this thread hasn't been active for a while,

    I've seem to be running into a little bit of fuss with finding the proper setting with my clutch settings.
    My a4b6 is running the gt28 setting - so i'm a little over the 300bhp and 420 Nm threshold.

    Would the 80 SMF, v8 disk and LT plate fit and hold?

    base my car is '04 B6 190 hp (BEX) quattro 6 speed tranny.

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    Should do.

    The other option you might have is to use the AVF PD130 flywheel and clutch. But i believe if you do that, you'll need to fit an AVF starter motor too

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    do i have to redrill/rebalance the flywheel? -

    the oem parts for my b6 aren't compatible with the 5 speed quattro - as it seems from part codes.

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    You will need to have it skimmed and redrilled to take the pressure plate, i didn't get mine balanced but its up to you if you want too.
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    To do - F21 Upgrade - 3" Maf/Saab red Injectors
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpv View Post
    do i have to redrill/rebalance the flywheel? -

    the oem parts for my b6 aren't compatible with the 5 speed quattro - as it seems from part codes.
    the B6 AVF flywheel will bolt onto the earlier engines, as will its starter. There may be clearance issues in the bellhousing though, but knowing the way Audi like to make things compatible i suspect it would work just fine.

    One of mine was balanced and the other wasnt. No real noticable difference between them from what i can tell.

    edit: The AVF flywheel also needs a 5.5mm spacer between the engine block and gearbox.
    Last edited by aragorn; 1 Week Ago at 14:02.

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