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    Clutch advice

    My clutch had started to slip on my 1.8 tqs does anyone know any good replacements at a reasonable cost it's been tuned and is running spprox 250+ ftlb and I haven't got the time to source the bits for the single mass conversion are there any uk options or is it a 034 kit, recommendations and people own experiences would be of great help


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    Any one know anything about the ones on eBay that come with the solid flywheel ad part of the kit
    I.E
    http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/vie...id=90944778762


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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie226bhp View Post
    My clutch had started to slip on my 1.8 tqs does anyone know any good replacements at a reasonable cost it's been tuned and is running spprox 250+ ftlb and I haven't got the time to source the bits for the single mass conversion are there any uk options or is it a 034 kit, recommendations and people own experiences would be of great help
    It's slipping because the clutch slips against the flywheel. This is not good for the clutch. you can take it to a Audi repair shops nearest you, they have some replacement parts. It can be simple or complicated. It is often possible to simply remove the plate when the transmission fluid drain and adjust from there. Some are a little harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie226bhp View Post
    My clutch had started to slip on my 1.8 tqs does anyone know any good replacements at a reasonable cost it's been tuned and is running spprox 250+ ftlb and I haven't got the time to source the bits for the single mass conversion are there any uk options or is it a 034 kit, recommendations and people own experiences would be of great help
    It's slipping because the clutch slips against the flywheel. This is not good for the clutch. you can take it to a Audi repair shops nearest you, they have some replacement parts. It can be simple or complicated. It is often possible to simply remove the plate when the transmission fluid drain and adjust from there. Some are a little harder.

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    I was thinking of going for one of these but wanted to go 240mm where as they are 228mm iirc.

    I've got a used 1z flywheel (with bolts) for £45, new bearing and clutch bolts £29.

    And I'm going to get the clutch and machining done which will be about £180 which is cheaper than any valeo conversion or the ridiculous over priced US items.

    Or if you can haggle and don't mind shipping costs, why not try these

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    Mods - Frankenturbo F21 Kit - 3" MAF - Saab Reds - THS Decat - Non Res Milltek - ECS Crank Pulley - 034 Snub + Bracket/Gbox Mounts - 1Z/S2 Clutch + Flywheel - 007p - ICM + EVAP Delete - PFR6Q Plugs - S4 B6 345mm Brakes - 300mm Rear Brakes - Goodridge Hoses - LCR Splitter -S4 Bumbers + Skirts/Mouldings - OEM Xenons - Apikol Diff mounts - Polytek'd Rear Diff Mount
    To do/planned -Eibach pro's - GT2871/76R + FMIC + ME7 (maybe) + Engine/stroker Build

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    IMO theres no point messing around with "performance" 228mm clutches.

    Your options looks something like this:

    A) Bolt on a standard one, but tbh if your existing clutch is slipping badly the flywheel is probably ruined and needs replacing which means your spending probably the best part of 400quid on a standard setup.

    B) Buy an off-the-shelf single mass conversion like the ebay link or the more common valeo part. Unfortunately these use bespoke clutches and if you buy it and find out its not up to the job on your tuned engine, finding an upgraded part may well be impossible.

    C) buy an off the shelf 240mm upgrade kit. Much more sensible than A/B but they're extremely expensive. You're looking at 250-300 for the flywheel itself (which ofcourse is similar to a new standard DMF) then the best part of 200quid for an RS4 clutch. It is then a hugely capable setup.

    D) Piece together your own 240mm conversion based on the 1z Flywheel. I paid roughly £30 for the flywheel itself, £90 for the machining work, and managed to get the coverplate and friction disk for £95 after some lucky ebay shopping.

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    The F1 setups are actually pretty good for the money to be honest. Quite popular in the Honda world too.

    Cheapest option you`re going to get is the 1Z fly and source an S2 3B clutch and be done with or use the LT cover plate and v8 disc.

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    What's up with the 228mm setup as surely if the pressure plate is able to cope with the torque it will be fine and I'm never gonna be putting out more than 300 lbft without the need for rods


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    Just never going to be as good as the 240mm set up. Its like saying why not stick with the 288mm front discs instead of 312mm when you arent going to be driving any faster. Its always better and puts less strain on components when things are bigger

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    Its really upto you at the end of the day. I went 240mm because i wanted to be using factory parts with factory feel, rather than some super uprated clutch that costs 500quid, is made from all sorts of exotic materials and works like a switch.

    The DMF was my big concern, they dont last forever and i didnt want to fit a new clutch to a knackered flywheel. Replacing it with another DMF just wasnt happening, and if your replacing it you may as well go to 240mm.

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    As Aragorn says really !!

    Which ever route you decide to go make sure you ditch the dual mass flywheel as it's really just another component that can go faulty compared to a solid one don't think I've every heard or seen one go faulty.
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    To do/planned -Eibach pro's - GT2871/76R + FMIC + ME7 (maybe) + Engine/stroker Build

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    So rs4 or s2 clutch and either a 1z fly or an upgrade 240 mm fly will
    Both need machining as I'd rather just buy something that bolts straight on


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    2000 A4 1.8 tqs scroll sp51, ths decat, milltek cat back with rs4 backbox, remap

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    Yes or you could use this and one of the 2 flywheels posted previously may be cheaper by couple of hundred quid !!

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    Should have my clutch setup by Friday then it will be going to local engineers for machining very soon ,he quoted £80 but I like to haggle so will see lol
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    Mods - Frankenturbo F21 Kit - 3" MAF - Saab Reds - THS Decat - Non Res Milltek - ECS Crank Pulley - 034 Snub + Bracket/Gbox Mounts - 1Z/S2 Clutch + Flywheel - 007p - ICM + EVAP Delete - PFR6Q Plugs - S4 B6 345mm Brakes - 300mm Rear Brakes - Goodridge Hoses - LCR Splitter -S4 Bumbers + Skirts/Mouldings - OEM Xenons - Apikol Diff mounts - Polytek'd Rear Diff Mount
    To do/planned -Eibach pro's - GT2871/76R + FMIC + ME7 (maybe) + Engine/stroker Build

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradderz_1988 View Post
    Yes or you could use this and one of the 2 flywheels posted previously may be cheaper by couple of hundred quid !!

    110756040178

    Should have my clutch setup by Friday then it will be going to local engineers for machining very soon ,he quoted £80 but I like to haggle so will see lol
    What sort of power will
    Your setup be good for


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    See Darkside Performance, they are distributers of Southbend clutches in UK and Europe, they do the new range of SILENT SMF and clutch kits which feel like stock and grip massively ! Do it well, do it once !
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    I'd be saying around 300-350lbft.
    1999 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro Sport - Volcano Black

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    1Z fly and S2 3B clutch can take around 300ft-lbs just fine. Possibly more on a petrol as that figure was coming from a diesel so would put more strain on it.

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    The ECS setup is bolt on and doesnt require any machining, but its obviously significantly more expensive than the DIY 1z setup.

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    This is maybe something I need to think about in the not too distant future.... Can I ask a possibly dumb question. If I go 1z flywheel (coz I can get one for nowt) and the S2 3b clutch kit what needs machining ??
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    Ecs fly is about £220 and I can get a clutch from my mate at gsf, just need to get flywheel sent to relative in Washington and wait for her to come over and put it in her bag


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    Ninenails :- have a read through this Audi 80 Flywheel, Audi S2 Clutch conversion. The beginnings...

    Basically just the hole spacing and dowels if a new fly if used it will need a skim.
    1999 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro Sport - Volcano Black

    Mods - Frankenturbo F21 Kit - 3" MAF - Saab Reds - THS Decat - Non Res Milltek - ECS Crank Pulley - 034 Snub + Bracket/Gbox Mounts - 1Z/S2 Clutch + Flywheel - 007p - ICM + EVAP Delete - PFR6Q Plugs - S4 B6 345mm Brakes - 300mm Rear Brakes - Goodridge Hoses - LCR Splitter -S4 Bumbers + Skirts/Mouldings - OEM Xenons - Apikol Diff mounts - Polytek'd Rear Diff Mount
    To do/planned -Eibach pro's - GT2871/76R + FMIC + ME7 (maybe) + Engine/stroker Build

 

 

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