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    Difference between an SE & a Sport?

    I was just wondering the difference between the SE spec & the sport spec A4.

    We have just bought a 2003 A4 1.9 TDi 130 SE, wasn't looking for another car but it came up at a good price so we went for it. Haven't had an Audi before so don't really know what spec is what.

    I'm guessing the 130 bhp is the one to go for if you want a TDI.
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    or the 180 lol
    Our lass has a 100 tdi 1.9 and thats pretty nippy

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    The SE adds alloy wheels, 'concert' radio, driver's information system and leather steering wheel and gearknob. The Sport pack, which basically adds stiffer suspension and sports seats with lumbar support to the spec or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackQuat View Post
    or the 180 lol
    Our lass has a 100 tdi 1.9 and thats pretty nippy
    They do a 180?

    I need to get off this forum, haven't even picked the car up yet & now I want 180bhp, 19" wheels.........

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    The 180 is a 2.5.

    SE's also have rear electric windows, and the Sports have a 3 spoke steering wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrojames View Post
    The 180 is a 2.5.

    SE's also have rear electric windows, and the Sports have a 3 spoke steering wheel.
    That's odd the one we have bought doesn't have rear elec windows but everything else like MPG on the dash. Thats the reason I was wondering about the specs of the different models.

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    Shows how much I know then lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrojames View Post
    Shows how much I know then lol!
    Is a bit strange though, can't remember the last time I had a car with wind up windows, I know there in the back but still! You would have thought a car with an SE spec would have them.....

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    A car of SE spec does have them as far as I'm aware.
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    mines an se no rear elecs, another of audis long and expensive options list i`d reckon.
    A4 1.8t 190 sport http://www.rpselectrical.ie

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    I was gutted when I bought my Blue one, No Electric rear windows, No Arm rest, and a Basic DIS. Mine a Limited edition aswell.Load of crap. I had everything in my red one except heated seats..

    Both are sports by the way. Sport is 20mm lower (and Stiffer) than the SE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrojames View Post
    The 180 is a 2.5.

    SE's also have rear electric windows, and the Sports have a 3 spoke steering wheel.
    there doesnt seem to be a fixed spec only seats and suspension ,
    mines a sport and has 4 electric windows, armrest , no dis, double din stereo bla bla bla
    i think its more what people want when new .

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    Does it have a three spoke wheel? Or have you completely blown my theory out the window ....?
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    Ha no mate it has a 3 spoke leather wheel

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    Well, I've just picked it up today & it does say SE on the log book.

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    mines is a SE model too. no elec windows in the rear. but i have elec back supportz in the seats, no armrest and a wheel spoke leather steering wheel
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    Mines an SE too and no elec rear windows, electric back supports in the seats.. thats not fair, bottom lip is out now, and no heated mirrors (yet), my old 84 cavalier GL even had those!!

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    bought my 1.9 SE new in 2002, this is what I remember:

    SE (over standard) added
    leather steering wheel & gearlever
    DIS
    16' alloys
    CD Player

    Sport (over standard) added
    sport suspension
    sport seats
    I think it did not have DIS nor CD player but not sure

    6 cylinder car added rear electric windows and exterior window chrome surround.

    so... a standard SE 1.9 would be missing some critical items like:
    proper 3 rear seat belts
    foldable seats
    heated mirror (!!)
    rear electric windowns
    center armrest

    a pain.

    My Atlas Grey, 1.9 SE 130 80,000 miles one owner with factory fitted arm rest, heated mirrors, light interior package and foldable back seat will be for sale in Feb. Drop me a line if you are interested.

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    You're quite correct! 6 cylinder cars had the rear electric windows as standard, its all coming back to me now!

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    sorry to wreck that theory but mines 6 cyl and no rear elecs, no armrest, no cruise, has chrome trim, chrome roof rails, front and rear park sensors, front ambient lighting, heated mirrors, full leather.
    the only pattern i can see is sport has 3 spoke steering wheel(unless multi function) lower suspension, round gearknob, sport seats

    se has 4 spoke steering wheel, higher suspension, standard seats, differant gear knob, no limited slip diff and full dis
    no doubt someone will be along to wreck my theory now
    A4 1.8t 190 sport http://www.rpselectrical.ie

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    haha, I think its just a case of what they felt like when they manufactured these A4's.
    My Red Sport had (2001Y) :

    Sunroof
    Full climate
    6 Disc DD 10 Speaker Bose
    Rear Elecs
    Arm rest
    Full Dis
    L/Support
    No Split rear seats

    My Blue one (2002 Ltd Ed 02reg):

    No Rear elects
    No sunroof
    No arm Rest
    No full DIS (just standard)
    6disc DD 10 Speaker Bose
    ...But does have Heated Leather
    No Rear split seats

    ...so I guess if Audi have the time you'll get some goodies.lol

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    that didn`t take long
    A4 1.8t 190 sport http://www.rpselectrical.ie

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    Quote Originally Posted by swine View Post
    that didn`t take long
    Im right behind you

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    I give up. There's too much randomness in my ordered world

    Whats the benefit of a LSD with quattro?
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    from what i`ve read here in the past people refer to the sport models as having lsd`s, and from what i can gather audi don`t use these in fwd( please feel free to wreck this theory also) the torsen system is an lsd of sorts (torque sensing differential) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro..._drive_system))
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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrojames View Post
    The 180 is a 2.5.

    SE's also have rear electric windows, and the Sports have a 3 spoke steering wheel.
    The a4 came with weird spec either b5 or b6. I had an all singing all dancing b5 2.5 tdi quattro sport and it did not have rear electric windows(had bose, leather interior, rear view dimming mirror, trip computer,cd changer,front and rear armrests,etc.). Then i bought another v6 tdi quattro sports wich does not have rear leccy windows or front armrest(has Bose, leather interior,sport suspenssion,trip computer,cruise control,etc.). Then i bought a a6 v6 tdi SE FWD wich has full electric memory seats, folding mirrors, Bose, dimming rear view mirror, cruise control,etc. It also have sports heated leather seats and a sports steering wheel but had standard SE suspenssion and crappy 16" alloy wheels. Easy sorted with a set of Eibach springs and heavy duty sports shock absorbers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by swine View Post
    from what i`ve read here in the past people refer to the sport models as having lsd`s, and from what i can gather audi don`t use these in fwd( please feel free to wreck this theory also) the torsen system is an lsd of sorts (torque sensing differential) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro_(four_wheel_drive_system))
    I've heard talk of this LSD fitted to Sport models on here before, and have always been unsure about it. According to the 2003 "Technical Details" brochure ALL A4's from 1.6 upwards have:

    "Electronic differential lock (EDS) by means of braking all driven wheels, Anti-Slip Regulation (ASR) system, Electronic Stability Program (ESP) with braking assistance"

    This is supplemented on quattro models by:

    "quattro permanent four wheel drive, automatically limited slip Torsen centre differential"

    There is no distinction between trim levels or engine size, its either quattro or not and all seem to have the EDS.

    I would be very interested to see the source from where the talk of the LSD came from.
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    LSD....now that brings back some memories ......................


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    I nearly wrote Limited Slip Differential out in full each time, but though "Ah there's no need ..".....
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    What's the best engine for A4 Quattro?
    i think this is where i read it first, can`t find anything online to back it up tho.
    A4 1.8t 190 sport http://www.rpselectrical.ie

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    pretty sure the Quattro Sport versions used to get a rear LSD as standard in addition to the Torsen centre differential (99% sure the V6 Quattro Sports do)... with the newer models (e.g. B8) that's been humped onto the options list, but I guess the electronic traction control has improved a bit so the mechanical LSD is less of a requirement...

    all quattro's will have a centre Torsen differential, but the SE's just make do with traction control when you're nailing it out of corners... not certain about the 4-pots though...

    I think the only thing that's consistent on the Sport's (across the ranges) is the seats and three spoke steering wheel (where MF wheel not specified).

    Before I got meddling with mine (2.5TDI Quattro Sport) here's some of the lower spec options that it had:
    16" 5 spoke "Sport" alloys
    no DIS (just "trip")
    no cruise control
    Concert CD (admittedly with BOSE )
    grey lower trim
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostbok View Post
    pretty sure the Quattro Sport versions used to get a rear LSD as standard in addition to the Torsen centre differential (99% sure the V6 Quattro Sports do)... with the newer models (e.g. B8) that's been humped onto the options list, but I guess the electronic traction control has improved a bit so the mechanical LSD is less of a requirement...

    all quattro's will have a centre Torsen differential, but the SE's just make do with traction control when you're nailing it out of corners... not certain about the 4-pots though...
    Where's your source for this info mate?
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    Mines an 04 plate quattro sport 190 s-line but it started it's life as part of a mini fleet of company cars and so a load of the basic s-line spec stuff was replaced with lower spec options instead. I got sport seats (but no leather), no dis, no rear elec windows, no pretty light pack, no tinted mirrors... the list goes on!! What tight ass sonofa***** boss would take a man's leather seats away!!?

    ...still got an arm rest though! must have snuck that one past the boss when he was counting his money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrojames View Post
    Where's your source for this info mate?
    pretty sure I read it in an article (currently furiosuly digging around for it) and also thought it was in the catalgue as difference between the various model, but I can;t for the life of me find the pdf, so guessing that went the way of that 3-disc raid stripe I used to have on my main gaming PC will try to dig it up now-ishly!
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    Yeah have a go cos you've got me intrigued now! I just don't get the benefit of an LSD in the quattro drivetrain - do FWDs have it too? And is it just on the rear diff, or is it part of the Torsen diff too?

    There was a link to the PDF document on here recently, I'll try and find it tomorrow cos there's certainly no mention of it in my paper brochure.
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    I'm sure that there was something about a centre diff and an extra limited slip diff on the rear axle only (definitely nothing for the FWD models*)... but I can't find out where I sourced that, so you've really got me doubting myself now.... prob is that I did watch a lot of youtube videos on handling characteristics of the A4 Quattro's before I bought mine (yep - and still bought the 2.5TDI!), so those will bea nightmare to scan through....

    * I think the idea is that ESP/TC should handle the inside wheel spinning up, but the Quattro Sport driver are more likely to disengage that

    In the mean-time, this should explain a LOT of the confusion around the weird mixed up specs: and yes, they are weird and mixed up .... See Woorlord's previous post about the 2003 specs (with link to a scanned PDF).... but sadly no "Sport diff" details

    Quote Originally Posted by Woorlord View Post
    See the July 2003 spec for yourself - I've just scanned the spec. relevant pages and made them available for download on my web space. You can view the pdf here.

    We now just have a bit of a "spec. void" from the models introduction in 2001 up to July 2003.

    The GmBH body kit was the major difference as I was going for a 2003 1.8T(190) Sport myself from new but found my current 3.0Q Sport at Fontain back in July 2003, which then was just under 2 years old! It had a reasonable amount of factory fit extra's at that time and more standard power + Quattro, over what I was going to buy new and just over a years factory warranty.
    e.g. Cruise control is standard on the SE, but NOT the Sport/Standard....

    Even more weird... rear electrics are standard on ALL SE's and most of the sports (all TDI and all V6's, but only "available" for the inline 4 petrols!).

    That said - it says my 2.5TDI Quattro Sport should have had a few extras (e.g. 17" wheels) as standard, which it didn't before 2003...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostbok View Post
    Even more weird... rear electrics are standard on ALL SE's
    Quote Originally Posted by reggieroo View Post
    That's odd the one we have bought doesn't have rear elec windows but everything else like MPG on the dash. Thats the reason I was wondering about the specs of the different models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostbok View Post
    pretty sure the Quattro Sport versions used to get a rear LSD as standard in addition to the Torsen centre differential (99% sure the V6 Quattro Sports do)... with the newer models (e.g. B8) that's been humped onto the options list, but I guess the electronic traction control has improved a bit so the mechanical LSD is less of a requirement...

    all quattro's will have a centre Torsen differential, but the SE's just make do with traction control when you're nailing it out of corners... not certain about the 4-pots though...

    I think the only thing that's consistent on the Sport's (across the ranges) is the seats and three spoke steering wheel (where MF wheel not specified).

    Before I got meddling with mine (2.5TDI Quattro Sport) here's some of the lower spec options that it had:
    16" 5 spoke "Sport" alloys
    no DIS (just "trip")
    no cruise control
    Concert CD (admittedly with BOSE )
    grey lower trim
    The quattro got EDS/EDL wich stands for Electronic Diff Lock(sphere) and its a poor mans traction control aid wich does not work too well (if you have 1 wheel in the air across each axle) as the diffs wont be able to transfer the power so the car gets stuck. A TORqueSENsing diff will act as an open diff when one wheel will loose traction and its in air, thats why propper 4x4 have locking diffs ! Only old audi c4 S4, and early audi 80 quattro had a limited slip rear diff wich was fun !
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    i know its us spec but this claims an lsd http://www.internetautoguide.com/car...341/index.html
    A4 1.8t 190 sport http://www.rpselectrical.ie

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    Swine,

    If no DIS, I doubt your car is an SE.
    Have you checked with Audi using the chassis number?

    or...

    the very first B6 SE were like that. I bought mine in July 2002 and I can guarantee that SE had DIS by that time. Rear elec windows were on SE 6 cylinders or of course as option... the list was extremely long BTW.

    6 month later, SE pack became free of charge and added cruise. Argg!

 

 
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