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    Question Clutch Life S4

    Hi all,

    Just wanted some advice on clutch life info for a 2003 S4, it also has 111k on the clock?

    How long shoudld they last ( driving style taken into consideration) and what should be replaced when changing the clutch if a change is required? My initial list would inlcude the rear engine oil seal as mine leaks but should I include other items while in there?

    Any other ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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    rear seal as you said and once they start you can end up with quite a leak there, i had mine done and most people replace the fly wheel as well. S4's often seem to have it all done around 80-120k, some less if people have a habit of launching them from standstill which they don't put up with for very long.

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    if you need to put the car into the service position to do any of the work

    auxillary belt
    front engine mount ...
    may also want to check main engine mounts while its all it ... if you have any fluid leaking from engine mounts then change them
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    Thanks for the details guys, I can start putting a list together (my 100K list).

    I had seen someone list jobs to undertake and parts to inspect/replace and or repair at 100K but couldn't find it.

    I had asked this question a couple of weeks ago regarding jobs for 100K MILE s4 but nobody had much to add. see here


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    snub mount is the front engine mounting
    it basically tries to counteract the lateral forces when the car is revved ... and so the car doesnt jump from side to side like a lot of old american v8,s when revved

    its fitted in two parts one fits with 3 allen key bots to the engine itself the other part is the reciever which at the back of the radiator mountings on the front of the car .... you need the car in the service position to replace it
    whilst its in the service position its easier to replace the auxillary belt and tensioner
    and if you have cam cover leaks like many s4,s its easier to replace the rubber gaskets and seals while its like this as theres very little room to work
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    Quote Originally Posted by dualmono21 View Post
    snub mount is the front engine mounting
    it basically tries to counteract the lateral forces when the car is revved ... and so the car doesnt jump from side to side like a lot of old american v8,s when revved

    its fitted in two parts one fits with 3 allen key bots to the engine itself the other part is the reciever which at the back of the radiator mountings on the front of the car .... you need the car in the service position to replace it
    whilst its in the service position its easier to replace the auxillary belt and tensioner
    and if you have cam cover leaks like many s4,s its easier to replace the rubber gaskets and seals while its like this as theres very little room to work
    Thanks for that info, I have replaced the rocker cover gaskets, did that as soon as I got the car and I keep an eye on them for obvious reasons.

    Also, can you explain "the service position", what do you actually mean?

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    Service position is moving bumper out to access belts etc,the bumper loosens and can move forward 8" to gain access.
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    to properly service the s4 and some of the a4,s audi designed to car so as you can remove the front grille and the headlights
    and put the car into whats known as the service position
    the bolts are removed from the front panel and two extra ones are put in
    from there the entire front assembly can be pulled forward around 6-8" to assist in any servicing requirements
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    I geussed that was what it was. This is common on most VAG vehicles, my Golfs and Passats were the same.

    Thanks for the clarification guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffDunk View Post
    Thanks for that info, I have replaced the rocker cover gaskets, did that as soon as I got the car and I keep an eye on them for obvious reasons.

    Also, can you explain "the service position", what do you actually mean?
    Service position on mine when I did the Aux belt..ie a PITA!
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    You should also change your clutch slave cylinder while you have the box out. Are you changing the flywheel as well?
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    Will do.

    Flywheel is on the list along with:

    Clutch, pressure and friction
    Thrust bearing
    Flywheel
    Rear crank seal
    Cam chain tensioners
    engine nounts
    clutch slave cylinder

    Anyone have any other ideas or additions?

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    why are you changing the cam chain tensioners geoff ??
    are they especially noisey ???
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    Not excessively noisy yet but they are not as quiet as I'd like. While we have access I will change them.

    On cold start up they rattle for a second or two.

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    thats normal .. if the rattle goes on any longer than a couple of seconds then you have trouble
    very shortly there should be other options available that will mean you will no longer need to resort to having tensioners replaced
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    Quote Originally Posted by dualmono21 View Post
    ...very shortly there should be other options available that will mean you will no longer need to resort to having tensioners replaced
    Please expand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dualmono21 View Post
    thats normal .. if the rattle goes on any longer than a couple of seconds then you have trouble
    very shortly there should be other options available that will mean you will no longer need to resort to having tensioners replaced
    Would like to know a bit more!

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    Now you've started something, come on we need to know! Please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffDunk View Post
    Not excessively noisy yet but they are not as quiet as I'd like. While we have access I will change them.

    On cold start up they rattle for a second or two.
    You won't have access I am afraid with the gearbox off. Needs the whole engine out to change those. My old car even after having every tensioner changed still rattled. In the end changing to 5w40 oil changed every 4-5k stopped it rattling
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmclark40v View Post
    You won't have access I am afraid with the gearbox off. Needs the whole engine out to change those. My old car even after having every tensioner changed still rattled. In the end changing to 5w40 oil changed every 4-5k stopped it rattling
    Cheers for that, good info and top tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffDunk View Post
    Cheers for that, good info and top tip.

    Added a reputation pint for that one!!!
    Oops, I meant point, but pint will do lol.

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    there is a product which is in pre production at the moment
    when finished it should allow you to connect a second oil line up to the 0il filter housing
    this second line is attached to a pressurised oil container and when the engine is switched on the container actuates and forces extra oil into the oil filter housing and pressurises the tensioners in the engine
    this should hopefully cure the start up rattle
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmclark40v View Post
    You won't have access I am afraid with the gearbox off. Needs the whole engine out to change those. My old car even after having every tensioner changed still rattled. In the end changing to 5w40 oil changed every 4-5k stopped it rattling
    With the rear seal leeking I change the oil regular by default.

    What 5w40 oil are you using, I am currently using 5w30 as specified by Audi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dualmono21 View Post
    there is a product which is in pre production at the moment
    when finished it should allow you to connect a second oil line up to the 0il filter housing
    this second line is attached to a pressurised oil container and when the engine is switched on the container actuates and forces extra oil into the oil filter housing and pressurises the tensioners in the engine
    this should hopefully cure the start up rattle
    Who's developing this?

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    the company producing this is in the states
    when the product is finished i will be the installing the system on my car to ensure it works o.k
    if everything is o.k from there they will be making a limited production run of the parts

    all in all with parts the system should be around £500 plus fitting , but apparently is so easy to install that most people simply do it themselves

    if people are interested please let me know and i can feed this back to the company
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    Quote Originally Posted by dualmono21 View Post
    the company producing this is in the states
    when the product is finished i will be the installing the system on my car to ensure it works o.k
    if everything is o.k from there they will be making a limited production run of the parts

    all in all with parts the system should be around £500 plus fitting , but apparently is so easy to install that most people simply do it themselves

    if people are interested please let me know and i can feed this back to the company
    This already exists, called an Accusump.
    Will deliver pressurised oil on start up and if ever the oil pressure drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeoffDunk View Post
    With the rear seal leeking I change the oil regular by default.

    What 5w40 oil are you using, I am currently using 5w30 as specified by Audi?
    I used Fuchs Titan Race Pro Sadly no longer own the car. What make oil do you currently use? You could always try the Fuchs in 5w30 first to see if it clears up the rattle.
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    accusump can be used yes a long with lots of differant brand systems which are designed to stop oil starvation when cornering hard

    however nobody at present makes an adaptor which is specific to the bhf and bbk engines
    so it is difficult to plumb it in and get it work correctly

    i still use fuch titan 5w30 as it seems to help with the start up
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