Starts and Stalls Immobilizer flashing

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Hello everyone, the immobilizer is flashing on my car. Everytime I start the car it runs for a second and instantly dies.
My friend was able to retrieve the errors.
Does anyone know if the problem is related to Instrument cluster or ECU?
By the way it is a 2002 Audi A4 3.0liter V6 Quattro.


17978 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 008 - Implausible Signal
Readiness: 0110 1101
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
Part No: 8E0 927 156 Q
Component: AG5 01V 3.0l5V USA 1213
Coding: 0001002
Shop #: WSC 05141 444 59564
VCID: 3C7C36AE4031B1FC
2 Faults Found
18265 - Load Signal: Error Message from ECU
P1857 - 003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
18258 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from ECU
P1850 - 003 - Mechanical Failure - Intermittent
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
Part No: 8E0 614 517 A
Component: ABS/ESP allrad 1726
Coding: 04497
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 2648F4C6AEBD1B2C
1 Fault Found
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
35-00 - -
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
Part No: 8E0 820 043 AH
Component: A4 Klimaautomat 1424
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 67D6B9C26937C224
14 Faults Found
00710 - Defroster Flap Positioning Motor (V107)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01809 - Actuating Motor for Temperature Flap; Left (V158)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01810 - Actuating Motor for Temperature Flap; Right (V159)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
00604 - Potentiometer Positioning Motor for Air Flow Flap (G113)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00735 - Potentiometer in Positioning Motor for Air recirculation Flap (G143)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65)
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
00532 - Supply Voltage B+
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
27-00 - Implausible Signal
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -
00474 - Control Module for Immobilizer
27-10 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8E0 907 279 E
Component: int. Lastmodul RDW 0305
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 346C1E8E686179BC
4 Faults Found
01518 - Bulb for Back-Up Lights; Left (M16)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
00988 - Lamp for Brake Light; Right (M10)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01493 - Bulb for Blinkers; Front Left (M5)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
Part No: 8E0 953 549 L
Component: Lenksáulenmodul 0308
Coding: 01141
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 3C7C36AE4031B1FC
3 Faults Found
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
127-10 - Unknown Error Elaboration - Intermittent
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8E0 920 950 H
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D25
Coding: 03243
Shop #: WSC 43169
VCID: 2E580CE6864D536C
WAULT68E52A142099 AUZ6Z0A0251508
4 Faults Found
01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2)
30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01177 - Engine Control Unit
65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
01304 - Radio
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 8E0-959-760.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory R2 F 0203
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: F1E2579AD7F38C94
7 Faults Found
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
06-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent
01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System
37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
79-00 - Please Check Fault Codes
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -
01446 - Sensor for Driver Seat; Seatback Adjust (G230)
20-00 - Malfunction in Basic Setting
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Address 37: Navigation Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No: 4B0 919 887 E
Component: BNS 4.2 H05 BNO 0008
VCID: 356A238A631B60B4
3 Faults Found
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00625 - Vehicle Speed Signal
03-00 - No Signal
65535 - Internal Control Module Memory Error
00-00 - -
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 433 T
Component: Komfortgerát T5B 0617
Coding: 28220
Shop #: WSC 05141
VCID: 4280485622D5C70C
Part No: 8E1959801
Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0002
Part No: 8E1959802E
Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0002
Part No: 8E0959801A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0002
Part No: 8E0959802A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0002
19 Faults Found
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
28-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
29-00 - Short to Ground
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
01369 - Alarm triggered by Hood Switch
35-00 - -
01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01331 - Door Control Module; Driver Side (J386)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01332 - Door Control Module; Passenger Side (J387)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01803 - Door Warning Lamp; Rear Left (W37)
57-10 - Electric Circuit Failure - Intermittent
01561 - Left Rear Door
59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J389)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01562 - Right Rear Door
59-00 - Can't Unlock
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Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 8E0 035 195 A
Component: symphony II NP2 0050
Coding: 00211
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 254AF3CAD3BB1034
5 Faults Found
00858 - Connection; Radio ZF Output to Antenna Amplifier
36-00 - Open Circuit
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
00466 - Control Module for Steering Column Electronics (J527)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01300 - Control Module for Navigation with CD-Rom (J401)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System
37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
End ---------------------------------------------------------------------
 
I've had this before although it was intermittent just once every 2 weeks or so

I changed the batteries in the fob and its been fine since which is really odd as the chip doesn't use the battery! So no help really!
 
Thats a shed load of errors tbh whic stands to reason a power problem.

Have a look at the battery treminals & grounding point to the chassis, see if its corroded.

Yes its the immo blocking the start, what people need to realise is, on most cars, immo & remote lock systems are completely independent from eachother, so the guide above will not fix the issue at all, thats purely a guide for the remote locking side of things.

I suspect the power issues that may be present are causing the immo problems aswell.
 
the key reader may have packed in or the wire joining the keyreader
iv had that a few times
 
Thanks for the input guys. I purchased this car from a private seller. The relays under the ECU were burned out. I replaced them and was able to start the car. The immo light has been flashing since I bought it.
I checked all of the fuses (on the driver side panel) and they are fine.
I found an aftermarket fob I believe under the seat. I am not sure if it is related to immobiliser or not. The battery inside is corroded. I will try replacing both batteries.
Does anybody know how can I access the key reader wires? Is it a common problem on B6 A4's?
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god knows what that remore is for
prob from a diffrent car
if car starts it wont be the wire from key reader id clear all the codes and rescan see what it comes back up with
 
I pulled the instrument cluster and found this.
The cluster is obviously not original.
My car was manufactured in 05/02
How come the cluster was made in 05/01 ??

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We tried and cleared the codes, but every time we scan it the same codes pop up.
 
if that is not the original cluster then it will cause a whole host of issues as a lot of the electronics specific to your car and ecu etc are contained in the cluster microchips. As far as i know most things communicate to the cluster to get an ok to work properly, A new cluster has to be coded in properly using vag-com. It maybe the cluster was swapped trying to fix previous problems by someone not really in the know.
I would contact the number on the sticker first and get them to check why they have a sticker onyour cluster and what they did
 
swarcup said:
if that is not the original cluster then it will cause a whole host of issues as a lot of the electronics specific to your car and ecu etc are contained in the cluster microchips. As far as i know most things communicate to the cluster to get an ok to work properly, A new cluster has to be coded in properly using vag-com. It maybe the cluster was swapped trying to fix previous problems by someone not really in the know.
I would contact the number on the sticker first and get them to check why they have a sticker onyour cluster and what they did
Click to expand...

I contacted them and they are junk yard.
The previous owner was having problems with dead pixels therefore he bought a used one.
Can I pull the SKC code via VAG Commander 5.5?
Or do I have to take the car to the dealer? Is there a way to disable the immo? I contacted APR and other tuners they say that they can't do an immo defeat on 3.0liter engines, only 1.8T.
I don't care about the alarm or immo feature, I just want the car to run.
 
Went to the dealer, spoke with the SA, he told me that in the past they have had problems regprogramming used clusters because the clusters that were installed didn't match the options that the car had. They want $330 for reprogramming the cluster, because it is labor intensive for their technicians...and He also mentioned that they may not be able reprogram it...It all depends on the cluster.
Part number of the cluster that my car had is 8E0-920-980-KX. My price is $920 plus they want my core return.
If there is a way to kill the immobiliser please let me know, I am so sick of this car.
 
you can have the immo wrote out not sure if anyone does it in the usa tho
 
IMHO I dont believe what they're telling you, if its the same cluster part number or superceded, then tbh it should code up perfectly normal with just the mileage needing corrected externally, as options are coded afterwards when the cluster is coded to the immo, I mean you couldnt makeup this BS IMHO.

330 bucks for potentially coding an cluster seems excessive, its a 10-20 minute job with road test of 10-20 minutes, so hows that labour intensive, as its just literally unbolt the trim or cluster, then lift out, swap over & code, bolt in & test, its an easy job with, if they know there beans an hour at most charge.
 
You need to do more of your own research.

This is the corp that make the chips for the remote, which is just a leyless entry remote so could very well be for that car.

Active Control :: Corporate Profile

This is the remote in question.

Keyless Entry Remotes at Remote Superstore

So where are you at with it at the moment, as in, you replaced the relays, says it starts but does it stay running, have you cleared the errors shown now the relays have been replaced, then you can work on the errors left over.
 
It starts but immediately dies. The immobolizer light keeps flashing.
I replaced all of the relays under the ECU box. Cleared the errors, but the same errors return.
The remote that I found is not related to my audi at all.
Is there a way to check that the ECU is working properly?
I have 3-4 different tools for reading the SKC but none of them is working...The error that I get is ECU not found
 
If you still have all these errors, then you need to trace them 1st imho, could be the the relays have been fried which inturn has damaged some wiring & possible modules like the central electrics board, as to fry all those relays at once needs a fair amount of load, which I can only wonder what other damage its done.
 
My friend cleared the codes again and here is what we got.
Strangely enough the VIN numbers don't match.
Monday,26,March,2012,17:49:23:46862
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.0
Data version: 20100630



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Chassis Type: 8E - Audi A4 B6/B7
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65 67
69 75 76 77


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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06C-909-559-ASN.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 909 559 D HW: 8E0 909 059
Component: 3.0L V6/5V G 0004
Coding: 0016751
Shop #: WSC 63351 000 00000
VCID: 366824867E1D6BAC

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1101

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 01V-927-156.lbl
Part No: 8E0 927 156 Q
Component: AG5 01V 3.0l5V USA 1213
Coding: 0001002
Shop #: WSC 05141 444 59564
VCID: 3C7C36AE4031B1FC

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-614-517.lbl
Part No: 8E0 614 517 A
Component: ABS/ESP allrad 1726
Coding: 04497
Shop #: WSC 06435
VCID: 2648F4C6AEBD1B2C

1 Fault Found
01826 - Sensor for Steering Angle (G85); Supply Voltage Terminal 30
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
Part No: 8E0 820 043 AH
Component: A4 Klimaautomat 1424
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 67D6B9C26937C224

3 Faults Found
01274 - Air Flow Flap Positioning Motor (V71)
41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time
27-00 - Implausible Signal
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8E0 907 279 E
Component: int. Lastmodul RDW 0305
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 346C1E8E686179BC

4 Faults Found
01518 - Bulb for Back-Up Lights; Left (M16)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
00988 - Lamp for Brake Light; Right (M10)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01493 - Bulb for Blinkers; Front Left (M5)
57-00 - Electric Circuit Failure
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8E0-959-655-84.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 655 A
Component: Airbag 8.4E 5000
Coding: 0010607
Shop #: WSC 63351 000 00000
VCID: 356A238A631B60B4

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8E0-953-549.lbl
Part No: 8E0 953 549 L
Component: Lenksáulenmodul 0308
Coding: 01141
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 3C7C36AE4031B1FC

3 Faults Found
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
127-10 - Unknown Error Elaboration - Intermittent
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.lbl
Part No: 8E0 920 950 H
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. RB4 D25
Coding: 03200
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 2E580CE6864D536C


6 Faults Found
01039 - Coolant Temperature Sensor (G2)
30-00 - Open or Short to Plus
01177 - Engine Control Unit
65-10 - Unauthorized - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01315 - Transmission Control Module
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01312 - Powertrain Data Bus
37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
01304 - Radio
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 8E0-959-760.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory R2 F 0203
Coding: 00002
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: F1E2579AD7F38C94

6 Faults Found
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
00668 - Supply Voltage Terminal 30
06-10 - Signal too High - Intermittent
01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System
37-10 - Faulty - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01794 - Control Module - Incorrect Chassis (VIN) Number
35-00 - -
01446 - Sensor for Driver Seat; Seatback Adjust (G230)
20-00 - Malfunction in Basic Setting

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
Part No: 8E0 951 177
Component: Innenraumueberw. 0604
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: EBDE45F2F5DF6644

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 433 T
Component: Komfortgerát T5B 0617
Coding: 28220
Shop #: WSC 05141
VCID: 4280485622D5C70C

Part No: 8E1959801
Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0002

Part No: 8E1959802E
Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0002

Part No: 8E0959801A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0002

Part No: 8E0959802A
Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0002

14 Faults Found
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
52-10 - Supply Voltage Too High - Intermittent
01330 - Central Control Module for Central Convenience (J393)
53-10 - Supply Voltage Too Low - Intermittent
01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
01581 - Incorrect Component Detected
35-00 - -
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
28-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
29-00 - Short to Ground
01370 - Alarm triggered by Interior Monitoring
35-00 - -
00962 - Alarm via. Tilt Sensor
35-00 - -
01369 - Alarm triggered by Hood Switch
35-00 - -
01374 - Alarm triggered by Terminal 15
35-00 - -
01371 - Alarm triggered by Door Contact Switch; Driver's Side
35-00 - -
01803 - Door Warning Lamp; Rear Left (W37)
57-10 - Electric Circuit Failure - Intermittent
01561 - Left Rear Door
59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent
01562 - Right Rear Door
59-10 - Can't Unlock - Intermittent

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Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4Z7-907-357.lbl
Part No: 4Z7 907 357
Component: dynamische LWR D07
Coding: 00060
Shop #: WSC 63351
VCID: 040C8E4E7841093C

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 8E0 035 195 A
Component: symphony II NP2 0050
Coding: 00211
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 254AF3CAD3BB1034

1 Fault Found
00858 - Connection; Radio ZF Output to Antenna Amplifier
36-00 - Open Circuit

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I'm just restating whats already been advised, you will need to spend some time tracking down the issues, to many errors to be of help via the forum, needs hands dirty & maybe some spare modules to test with, eg. CE board.
 
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