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    Quote Originally Posted by a8 tech View Post
    there is no pin 13 is there in t16 for 2004 a3
    In My Old Module A ..there is no pin 13.

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    yes A never supported the wing mirror side repeater hence the new control unit does and A didn't support the new type folding mirror

    anyway back to these indicators

    you can try either wiring the new mirrors into the control units pins and recode the door control units for wing mirror indicators and see if they work or wire direct

    as nhn has mentioned there may be a difference in the voltage so if you wire into the control unit and connect vcds select output test for drivers door
    the indicator should work and i think this will be a duty cycle signal of 5 volts on

    you can then check your existing wiring from j519 by turning the indicator on and connecting a multimeter or scope and see what voltage that puts out

    you don't wont 12 volts going to the led as it might blow it

    i don't know the exact voltage but its worth checking just in case

    its a case of trying it out and see what happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by a8 tech View Post
    yes A never supported the wing mirror side repeater hence the new control unit does and A didn't support the new type folding mirror

    anyway back to these indicators

    you can try either wiring the new mirrors into the control units pins and recode the door control units for wing mirror indicators and see if they work or wire direct

    as nhn has mentioned there may be a difference in the voltage so if you wire into the control unit and connect vcds select output test for drivers door
    the indicator should work and i think this will be a duty cycle signal of 5 volts on

    you can then check your existing wiring from j519 by turning the indicator on and connecting a multimeter or scope and see what voltage that puts out

    you don't wont 12 volts going to the led as it might blow it

    i don't know the exact voltage but its worth checking just in case

    its a case of trying it out and see what happens
    So are you saying it could work without even re-wiring anything ?

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    just check the these and change the wiring if needed

    if you mean the indicators then yes they may work without altering anything as long as the door control units are coded for them

    double check the pin-outs first for all the rest of the wires as the mirror loom is part of the new mirrors, so should just plug straight into the door control unit without any pin changes me thinks

    pin outs 2004 and 2008 onwards

    Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386

    20-pin connector (supply, lock)
    1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
    2 - CL motor SAFE
    3 - CL feedback locked/safe
    4 - CL outside door handle
    5- Vacant
    6- Vacant
    7 - CL terminal 31
    8 - CAN - High
    9 - CAN - Low
    10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
    11 - CL motor SAFE/lock
    12 - CL terminal 30
    13 - CL keyswitch close/open
    14- Vacant
    15 - CL door contact switch
    16 - CL motor unlock
    17- Vacant
    18 - WL enable, terminal 87 (vacant)
    19 - WL terminal 31
    20 - WL terminal 30

    16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
    1 - Mirror status position X (only with seat memory fitted)
    2 - Mirror terminal 31, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
    3 - Mirror supply, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
    4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
    5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
    6- Vacant
    7 - Mirror heating
    8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
    9 - Mirror status position Y (only with seat memory fitted)
    10- Vacant
    11 - Mirror terminal 31
    12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
    13- Vacant
    14 - Mirror folding motor -
    15 - Mirror folding motor +
    16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)

    32-pin connector (to door trim)
    1 - BE - Exit/warning lamp
    2 - BE - Terminal 31 (2) (AWL)
    3 - BF - Window lifter button rear right
    4 - BE - Terminal 31 (1) (AWL)
    5 - CL SAFE LED
    6 - BE - Terminal 58b (1)
    7 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
    8 - BF - Window lifter button front right (local)
    9- Vacant
    10 - Memory button + emergency off button (only with seat memory fitted)
    11 - Memory position buttons (only with seat memory fitted)
    12 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
    13 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
    14 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
    15- Vacant
    16 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
    17 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
    18 - CL - Inside door handle (not implemented)
    19 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
    20 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
    21 - BF - Window lifter button rear right (local)
    22 - BE - Terminal 58b (2) (mirror adjuster switch)
    23 - BE - Terminal 58b (3) (mirror/stowage illumination)
    24 - BF - Window lifter button front left (local)
    25- Vacant
    26 - BF - Child lock
    27 - Memory supply terminal 30
    28 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
    29 - BF - Mirror heating
    30 - Button for interior monitoring
    31 - LED - Interior locking button (LOCK)
    32 - LED - Child lock button



    Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386
    (from model year '08)

    20-pin connector (supply, lock)
    1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
    2 - CL motor SAFE
    3 - CL feedback locked/safe
    4 - Not used
    5 - Not used
    6 - CL terminal 31
    7 - CL door contact switch
    8 - CAN High
    9 - CAN Low
    10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
    11 - CL SAFE LED
    12 - CL motor SAFE/lock
    13 - CL motor unlock
    14 - Not used
    15 - LIN
    16 - CL keyswitch open/close
    17 - Not used
    18 - CL terminal 30
    19 - WL terminal 31
    20 - WL terminal 30

    16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
    1 - Not used
    2 - Not used
    3 - Not used
    4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
    5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
    6 - Not used
    7 - Mirror heating
    8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
    9 - Not used
    10 - Not used
    11 - Mirror terminal 31
    12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
    13 - Mirror indicator (rate action)
    14 - Mirror folding motor -
    15 - Mirror folding motor +
    16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)

    32-pin connector (to door trim)
    1 - Status LED - Interior locking button
    2 - Not used
    3 - Status LED - Child lock button
    4 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
    5 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
    6 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
    7 - BF - Window lifter button rear right, driver
    8 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
    9 - Not used
    10 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
    11 - Not used
    12 - Not used
    13 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
    14 - BF - Child lock button
    15 - BF - Window lifter button front right, driver
    16 - Not used
    17 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
    18 - BE - Door exit/warning lamp
    19 - BE - terminal 31
    20 - Not used
    21 - BF - terminal 31
    22 - Not used
    23 - BF - Window lifter button rear left, driver
    24 - BE - terminal 58b
    25 - BE - terminal 58b
    26 - BE - Switch/stowage compartment illumination
    27 - Button for interior monitoring
    28 - Not used
    29 - Not used
    30 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
    31 - BF - Window lifter button front left, driver
    32 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)

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    To use the facelift modules you have to rewire the 20 & 32 pin connectors that plug into the door module, the 16 pin from the mirror itself doenst need any rewiring, just plug in as is, dont bother using wing wiring, do it properly to save any issues later & dont forget to code the modules for the led's.

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    how did u you get on doing this i still to do mine at some point
    Full Leather / heated Seats / 18" Speedlines / AP coilover kit / R32 Rear 310mm Brakes / window Tints / Auto lights / Xenons / Cruise control / R32 Front 345mm Brakes / Full milltek system / Led side lights / Bose / brushed aluminium inlays / panal filter / Full Egr delete / custom map with hot start fix / Hybrid Turbo / Sachs Racing clutch / 10mm Rear spacers / 10mm Front spacers / A5 LED number plate bulbs /

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdi-man View Post
    how did u you get on doing this i still to do mine at some point
    I'm getting NHN To sort it out.....

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    are the also for a 2007 sportback
    because i have problems with my exit doorlights at the passenger and drivers side.
    both doors in the back are working fine

    pin outs 2004 and 2008 onwards

    Connectors, door control unit, driver side -J386

    20-pin connector (supply, lock)
    1 - Mirror dip input signal 1 (EC mirror +)
    2 - CL motor SAFE
    3 - CL feedback locked/safe
    4 - CL outside door handle
    5- Vacant
    6- Vacant
    7 - CL terminal 31
    8 - CAN - High
    9 - CAN - Low
    10 - Mirror dip input signal 2 (EC mirror -)
    11 - CL motor SAFE/lock
    12 - CL terminal 30
    13 - CL keyswitch close/open
    14- Vacant
    15 - CL door contact switch
    16 - CL motor unlock
    17- Vacant
    18 - WL enable, terminal 87 (vacant)
    19 - WL terminal 31
    20 - WL terminal 30

    16-pin connector (exterior mirrors)
    1 - Mirror status position X (only with seat memory fitted)
    2 - Mirror terminal 31, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
    3 - Mirror supply, potentiometer (only with seat memory fitted)
    4 - Mirror adjustment motor Y-direction
    5 - Mirror adjustment motor X/Y-direction
    6- Vacant
    7 - Mirror heating
    8 - Mirror dip output signal 1 (EC mirror +)
    9 - Mirror status position Y (only with seat memory fitted)
    10- Vacant
    11 - Mirror terminal 31
    12 - Mirror adjustment motor X-direction
    13- Vacant
    14 - Mirror folding motor -
    15 - Mirror folding motor +
    16 - Mirror dip output signal 2 (EC mirror -)

    32-pin connector (to door trim)
    1 - BE - Exit/warning lamp
    2 - BE - Terminal 31 (2) (AWL)
    3 - BF - Window lifter button rear right
    4 - BE - Terminal 31 (1) (AWL)
    5 - CL SAFE LED
    6 - BE - Terminal 58b (1)
    7 - BF - Interior locking button (LOCK/UNLOCK)
    8 - BF - Window lifter button front right (local)
    9- Vacant
    10 - Memory button + emergency off button (only with seat memory fitted)
    11 - Memory position buttons (only with seat memory fitted)
    12 - BF - Tailgate remote release button (only in 5-door, USA)
    13 - Alarm system Off button (tilt sensor inactive)
    14 - BE - Interior door handle illumination
    15- Vacant
    16 - Status LED button for interior monitoring (deactivate interior monitoring)
    17 - Status LED button for alarm system off (deactivate tilt sensor)
    18 - CL - Inside door handle (not implemented)
    19 - BF - Mirror adjustment L/R
    20 - BF - Mirror adjustment X/Y
    21 - BF - Window lifter button rear right (local)
    22 - BE - Terminal 58b (2) (mirror adjuster switch)
    23 - BE - Terminal 58b (3) (mirror/stowage illumination)
    24 - BF - Window lifter button front left (local)
    25- Vacant
    26 - BF - Child lock
    27 - Memory supply terminal 30
    28 - BF - Button for tank lid unlock
    29 - BF - Mirror heating
    30 - Button for interior monitoring
    31 - LED - Interior locking button (LOCK)
    32 - LED - Child lock button

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    Welcome to the site.

    You need to tell us what you've done 1st, have you swapped modules, upgraded etc.

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    your right NHN

    so what i did,

    i didnt swap any modules..it was a upgrade.
    both doors in the back i changed out the cable for a (all original audi parts)cable with the upgrade option inside door handle light and de door exit lights
    The door on the driversside and the passengerside are giving me a problems.
    everything works beside the door handle lights and the exit lights.
    the module in the drivers side is the 8P0 959 801H

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    Have you coded the modules for the lights?

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    yes i did coded with vagcom and everything works no errors also not from the modules in the front doors (drivers/passengerside)

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    If you've coded your fronts aswell & they dont work, then check your ground wiring as on some of these they were shared & possibly linked to the wrong pins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHN View Post
    If you've coded your fronts aswell & they dont work, then check your ground wiring as on some of these they were shared & possibly linked to the wrong pins.
    Ok i will check that, so if i unstand it correctly for both 32 pin connector.
    the pen settings i have to use are these

    Pin no. : Discription
    1 : for the Exit/warning lamp
    2 : mass
    14 : interior door lamp

    regarding the mass both the exit/warning lamp and the interior door handle lamp are joint to mass wire?

    and these pin settings will work on a 2007 audi a3 sportbak

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    Well an 07 car shows pin 4 as the ground for the handle led.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NHN View Post
    Well an 07 car shows pin 4 as the ground for the handle led.
    Ok but the other pin discriptions are ok
    then i will use pin 4 as a mass point
    For the exit/warning lamp and the interior door handle lamp

    but were are you gettung you information from is that elsawin?
    Last edited by hudeck; 6th August 2013 at 20:37.

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    I DID IT lol
    Thanks to HNH and etka i solved the problem now to write a good how to so i wont forget what i did.
    So now on to the next project(s)
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    Well done mate, glad you did the research & fixed the problem

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    Yep now i have the holy bible and my next project will be the front and back parkingsensors

 

 
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