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    A3 or S3 - Advice needed

    Hi Guys,

    I am due to change my company car next year and I am looking for some advice on what to get next. I currently have an Astra diesel which is mapped to about 200BHP and after shed loads of issues with this particular car I want something different and quicker and I want one of the following:

    A3 - 2.0TFSi
    A3 - 2.0TDi
    S3

    My head is saying go for the A3 Diesel because it will be cheaper on fuel & co. car tax and much better MPG but my heart says get the S3! So my questions are:

    If I went for the A3 Diesel and mapped it would it be quicker than the Astra? Currently the Astra can do 0-60 in around the high 6's on a good run.
    If I went for the A3 TFSi and mapped it would it be as quick as the S3 and are there any real MPG gains from mapping it?
    If I went all out and got the S3 and mapped it would there be any real MPG gains from mapping it?

    It will also come down to lease costs but having a quick looks at the A3 TFSi and S3 there isn't too much difference.

    What are peoples opinions of these models? I know Audi's are very reliable solid cars but anything I should look out for?


    Thanks very much,
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLARKE09 View Post
    A3 - 2.0TFSi
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    S3 IMO, I wouldn't even consider the others. Had a TDi170 and it was a very good car, but...

    Still loving the 130i like the sideways dirtbag I am

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    If you fancy the 20TFSI, it might be worth trying the Golf Gti also.
    Maybe you can get an unregistered MkV for a good price??

    If you can stretch to it get an S3.
    (Not that Im biased at all)

    The S3 can be a thirsty bugger though depending on driving style and the type of driving you do. But more than worth it IMO.

    There is also the 3.2 but I think that has been discountinued and I would imagine you will get thumped for Co. Car tax??

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    If you fancy the 20TFSI, it might be worth trying the Golf Gti also.
    Maybe you can get an unregistered MkV for a good price??
    Still loving the 130i like the sideways dirtbag I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    If you fancy the 20TFSI, it might be worth trying the Golf Gti also.
    Maybe you can get an unregistered MkV for a good price??

    If you can stretch to it get an S3.
    (Not that Im biased at all)

    The S3 can be a thirsty bugger though depending on driving style and the type of driving you do. But more than worth it IMO.

    There is also the 3.2 but I think that has been discountinued and I would imagine you will get thumped for Co. Car tax??

    cheers
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    Thanks for the replies.
    S3 is really what I want, I do about 80% of driving on Motorways and dual carriageways so best kind of driving for MPG but I do have a heavy right foot!
    What MPG do you or did you guys normally get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    If you fancy the 20TFSI, it might be worth trying the Golf Gti also.
    Maybe you can get an unregistered MkV for a good price??

    If you can stretch to it get an S3.
    (Not that Im biased at all)

    The S3 can be a thirsty bugger though depending on driving style and the type of driving you do. But more than worth it IMO.

    There is also the 3.2 but I think that has been discountinued and I would imagine you will get thumped for Co. Car tax??

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    Thanks Paul,

    I do like the Golf GTi but it isn't 4wd so I would prefer the A3 TFSi quattro.
    I noticed you had put up a thread saying that you are looking at getting rid of your S3 due to new baby and that is another thought I have to go through because my wife is pregnant and due in March so I was thinking of a Sportback but now seeing the replies I may go back to 3DR! Although no leccy seats on 3DR as far as I can see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLARKE09 View Post
    Thanks for the replies.
    S3 is really what I want, I do about 80% of driving on Motorways and dual carriageways so best kind of driving for MPG but I do have a heavy right foot!
    What MPG do you or did you guys normally get?
    Best MPG of about 35mpg,and worst....22.

    Still not bad for 360bhp,when you compare it with another 370bhp car I had which would easily do less than 10mpg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3Alex View Post
    Best MPG of about 35mpg,and worst....22.

    Still not bad for 360bhp,when you compare it with another 370bhp car I had which would easily do less than 10mpg.
    That is pretty good for 360BHP, so it should be a little better for a standard S3 then. I used to get around 25 to 30MPG in my old Celica GT4 which was 300BHP so S3 is sounding even more tempting!

    Just need to find a decent lease company & get a good price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLARKE09 View Post
    That is pretty good for 360BHP, so it should be a little better for a standard S3 then. I used to get around 25 to 30MPG in my old Celica GT4 which was 300BHP so S3 is sounding even more tempting!

    Just need to find a decent lease company & get a good price.
    To be honest,I get better mpg now than when it was stock,obviously if driven carefully,as the torque is so much better now,and as a result if you're just pootling along in traffic etc,you don't need to use as many revs.

    On the other hand,if you boot it,you can almost see the petrol guage moving!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLARKE09 View Post
    Thanks Paul,

    I do like the Golf GTi but it isn't 4wd so I would prefer the A3 TFSi quattro.
    I noticed you had put up a thread saying that you are looking at getting rid of your S3 due to new baby and that is another thought I have to go through because my wife is pregnant and due in March so I was thinking of a Sportback but now seeing the replies I may go back to 3DR! Although no leccy seats on 3DR as far as I can see!
    That wasnt me looking to sell my car mate, although Im sure I had my 2p in the thread at some point!

    And yes, the 3dr will serve you fine.
    If you really need the extra boot space I think the SB will give give you that bit extra although none are particularly deep due the 4wd set up.

    The Golf is an excellent car, although if you are thinking about a remap it can be a handful in the wet/damp or anything but in the straight ahead when you re giving it beans. A bit of a giant killer once you are moving though.

    The S3 is my first 4wd and as you have had a GT4 already I can see why you want to stick with 4wd.

    Cue 2wd v 4wd debate.........Oh and Hotbox tellin us all to go real wheel drive. (If the 1 series didnt look so bleedin awful we might have done!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    That wasnt me looking to sell my car mate, although Im sure I had my 2p in the thread at some point!

    And yes, the 3dr will serve you fine.
    If you really need the extra boot space I think the SB will give give you that bit extra although none are particularly deep due the 4wd set up.

    The Golf is an excellent car, although if you are thinking about a remap it can be a handful in the wet/damp or anything but in the straight ahead when you re giving it beans. A bit of a giant killer once you are moving though.

    The S3 is my first 4wd and as you have had a GT4 already I can see why you want to stick with 4wd.

    Cue 2wd v 4wd debate.........Oh and Hotbox tellin us all to go real wheel drive. (If the 1 series didnt look so bleedin awful we might have done!)

    cheers
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    Sorry mate thought it was you selling, obviously didn't read it properly! Yeah boot space doesn't really bother me tbh it was just thinking 5 doors maybe easier to get kiddie seat in etc. although I have my 3dr astra for a few more months so that will give a good test anyway.

    I do like the Golf and the new 'R' is nice but very expensive and yes 4WD is good for handling and to get the power down. I miss the GT4 but it was only a weekend car really and I think the S3 will be a great alternative to use all week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3Alex View Post
    To be honest,I get better mpg now than when it was stock,obviously if driven carefully,as the torque is so much better now,and as a result if you're just pootling along in traffic etc,you don't need to use as many revs.

    On the other hand,if you boot it,you can almost see the petrol guage moving!
    That is probably true mate as I have found fuel is better with remap and sport on in my smoker as throttle response is better so you don't need to put your foot down as hard in traffic or off the lights etc. How mich difference does the remap make? about 40bhp? and how much better is the 0-60 time roughly?

    Cheers,
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    Well my next one is going to be a diesel. I've loved the S3, but the mileage I do, in the past 2.5 years I've spent just over 20k on fuel.
    Ex 8L S3 driver

    also A3, 320, Golf, Clio, Astra, Focus, Mondeo, Laguna, Escort, Calibra, 220, others and now back to a Focus...

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    the best I've got out of my mapped s3 is 34 mpg, and the worst on the road is 14mpg.

    Worst on track is about 9mpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch78 View Post
    Well my next one is going to be a diesel. I've loved the S3, but the mileage I do, in the past 2.5 years I've spent just over 20k on fuel.
    Holy s**t that is a lot on fuel. I thought I spent a lot!

    Working on 30mpg for an S3 it would cost me about 10k in 2.5 years, but in saying that if I kept my Diesel it would still cost about 7k!

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    Quote Originally Posted by julians View Post
    the best I've got out of my mapped s3 is 34 mpg, and the worst on the road is 14mpg.

    Worst on track is about 9mpg
    I am hoping 30mpg on average and then I will be happy.

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    You'll be lucky to get 30mpg average. On a long motorway run (and I do a lot of those) I've seen 30 about 3 times. 24-26mpg is a more realistic average in my experience.
    Ex 8L S3 driver

    also A3, 320, Golf, Clio, Astra, Focus, Mondeo, Laguna, Escort, Calibra, 220, others and now back to a Focus...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLARKE09 View Post
    I am hoping 30mpg on average and then I will be happy.
    Easily achievable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch78 View Post
    You'll be lucky to get 30mpg average. On a long motorway run (and I do a lot of those) I've seen 30 about 3 times. 24-26mpg is a more realistic average in my experience.
    Really... I can drive to my parents house about 15 miles away and get 32mpg. Obviously wuth a light foot, but I've seen 39mpg on a longer run!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch78 View Post
    You'll be lucky to get 30mpg average. On a long motorway run (and I do a lot of those) I've seen 30 about 3 times. 24-26mpg is a more realistic average in my experience.
    Ditto unfortunately. I am not that overly concerned about MPG other than I would prefer better as you would imagine. However as others will testify the MPG range does vary quite a lot: Staz and Iggu seem to fair better than most. My average over the last 10k or so hovers around 24\25 mpg. But I don't mind the reletive cost against the smile on face/bang for buck factor. That said, a well mapped Quattro Diesel would be a nice choice too for the majority of UK travelling, depending on your needs. Good luck, I doubt you will be disappointed whatever your decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch78 View Post
    You'll be lucky to get 30mpg average. On a long motorway run (and I do a lot of those) I've seen 30 about 3 times. 24-26mpg is a more realistic average in my experience.
    I would have thought you would see a bit more than 24-26 in the S3 to be honest as combined figure for my old car was 31mpg and I easily got 26+. Think the new S3 figure is about 34mpg so was working on the same difference. Wonder if a delaer will lend one for a week so I can test it?

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    I reckon I get around 26-28mpg on motorways , unless I've got my bikes on the roof, in which case I get around 23mpg.

    The lifetime average on the DIS says 24.3mpg, but thats because my journey to work doesnt involve motorways, but does involve lots of start stop traffic.

    I saw 65mpg once, when I was coasting down the hill from glenshee ski 'resort'

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    Thanks for the replies guys. I will see how the first couple of months go in the new year workwise and work out some figures and hopefully will sort an S3 out!

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    Saw 31mpg from Slough to Newcastle.
    Wasnt exactly hanging about neither.

    I get high twenties on a 50mile run, mostly M-Way. But thats not driving Miss daisy and Im running REVO Stage 1.
    I reckon I could see lows 30s if I tried but where the fun in that !!
    TBH, MPG is not that important as I do 10K miles a year max.
    That said, I couldnt live with anything much more thirsty.

    To put it into perspective, a mapped S3 is about 2mpg down on a mapped 200ps MKV Gti. But worth it.

    BTW, Auldreekie has a lead foot, he probably only sees as much as 24mpg because he has his floor mat stuck behing the loud pedal !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    Saw 31mpg from Slough to Newcastle.
    Wasnt exactly hanging about neither.

    I get high twenties on a 50mile run, mostly M-Way. But thats not driving Miss daisy and Im running REVO Stage 1.
    I reckon I could see lows 30s if I tried but where the fun in that !!
    TBH, MPG is not that important as I do 10K miles a year max.
    That said, I couldnt live with anything much more thirsty.

    To put it into perspective, a mapped S3 is about 2mpg down on a mapped 200ps MKV Gti. But worth it.

    BTW, Auldreekie has a lead foot, he probably only sees as much as 24mpg because he has his floor mat stuck behing the loud pedal !!

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    Thanks again for the info Paul.

    This sounds OK then, although I do have quite a heavy foot as well, but have been trying to lay off a bit recently! I am sure when the little 'un comes and is in the back I will take it a bit easier!!

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    I think that the A3 2.0T quattro is now only available new with DSG auto transmission - at least in the Sportback. That may influence your decision.

    I imagine that, until recently when the S3 became available in Sportback flavour, a lot of potential S3 SB owners went for a manual 2.0TQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N8 View Post
    ... Pm 'mattandrew' and go out in his 370bhp S3...
    Where's that figure from N8? Ta much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    The S3 is my first 4wd and as you have had a GT4 already I can see why you want to stick with 4wd.

    Cue 2wd v 4wd debate.........Oh and Hotbox tellin us all to go real wheel drive. (If the 1 series didnt look so bleedin awful we might have done!)
    Oi, I'm not going to take part in this mass debate about correct-wheel drive versus others am fully aware that not everyone shares my views and prejudices.

    When I decided to get out of the Audi a Golf GiT was first on the list, in my head I was loving that car and looking forward to sitting in those funky check seats and chucking it around...but a longer drive just confirmed even an excellent FWD is not for me...last time I enjoyed a frontscratcher it was a Panda 100HP

    That's why I gave the Golf a earlier in the Fred - there's loads of great cars about that I like, but don't necessarily want to own or drive.

    Just because the prospect of a new S3 didn't pull me into the Audi dealership by the wallet, doesn't mean I think it's crap
    Still loving the 130i like the sideways dirtbag I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    BTW, Auldreekie has a lead foot, he probably only sees as much as 24mpg because he has his floor mat stuck behing the loud pedal !!


    * minus the grumpy faces, it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotboxDeluxe View Post
    Oi, I'm not going to take part in this mass debate about correct-wheel drive versus others am fully aware that not everyone shares my views and prejudices.
    He He , you just did, sort of.
    And not a single mention of a sideways shoe

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    Subtle though, wasn't it?
    Still loving the 130i like the sideways dirtbag I am

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8 View Post
    Clarke, not even gonna post a long reply answering all your questions. Pm 'mattandrew' and go out in his 370bhp S3 (he's in tideswell) and that will end all of your thinking

    Quote Originally Posted by AuldReekie View Post
    Where's that figure from N8? Ta much.
    Think hes just assuming and been a little over. Justcharlie had his on the dyno at the weekend with the same hardware at pulled 365 on the rollers

    Quote Originally Posted by CLARKE09 View Post
    Thanks again for the info Paul.

    This sounds OK then, although I do have quite a heavy foot as well, but have been trying to lay off a bit recently! I am sure when the little 'un comes and is in the back I will take it a bit easier!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuldReekie View Post
    Where's that figure from N8? Ta much.
    Ok sorry, its 5bhp

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    Quote Originally Posted by N8 View Post
    Ok sorry, its 5bhp
    No, where/which RR did you use?

    Edit: That'll teach my to scroll up, just seen your other post. Yeah, Gaz's results were blinding.
    Last edited by AuldReekie; 16th December 2009 at 11:39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattandrew View Post
    Think hes just assuming and been a little over. Justcharlie had his on the dyno at the weekend with the same hardware at pulled 365 on the rollers



    Where in Derbyshire are you mate?
    About 10 minutes away from Burton on Trent mate, where abouts are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotboxDeluxe View Post
    Oi, I'm not going to take part in this mass debate about correct-wheel drive versus others am fully aware that not everyone shares my views and prejudices.
    With the prospect of snow coming I am sure some of the rear wheelers will be abandoned on the roads! Good for drifting, not so good any other time. Oops hope that doesn't start a debate again.

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    Not wanting to wave the willy or anything, but I've never had to ditch a RWD due to snow or ice dinged a couple of barriers, but kept on going
    Still loving the 130i like the sideways dirtbag I am

 

 
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