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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    Nice spec Duncan!
    Enjoy it...lovely car.
    5dr and DSG...my sort of spec!
    Thanks! (forgot to mention has a MFSW)

    cant wait to take her for a spin - maybe foolish putting a deposit down on a car that i havnt seen / driven yet but knew it was the spec i wanted and didnt want it to get sold before i got back to the uk

    paying 13k for it - bit over budget and could have got one for 11.5kish i guess with no toys, double the mileage, no warranty and a year older

    hope i like DSG lol never driven one before - am sure i will though from what ive read / watched and advice ive got from other members it sounds spot on

    Cheers

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    Last edited by Duncan; 7th March 2009 at 10:11. Reason: forgot about the multi function steering wheel

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    Sounds likea nice car.
    Enjoy.

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    We have a manual 3dr Mk5 GTI and it is a very, very good car. Compared the the A3s you mention, if you're looking for a driver focused car, then the GTI is the one for you.

    That said, if the 170 TDI has DSG its in gear acceleration would probably be better than the Golf. But steering in the GTI is a bit better and the GTI has the best steering wheel in the VAG line up IMO. It may not look as good as some of the Audi/Lambo wheels, but it great to hold and use. The thickness is perfect.

    The GTI's ride can be a bit firmer that you might first think too, although we don't find it an issue for daily driving.

    They're all pretty good cars, take 'em all for a drive and pick the one you reckon is best. No matter what you choose, someone will tell you you made a mistake, haha.

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    Only just caught onto this thread as i was offline last week but i'd say you made the right choice in the end mate.
    I'm not getting involved with the diesel/petrol thing so i'll discount the 170 TDI. I did however test drive the Golf GTI before buying my A3 and i've driven a mates again recently. For me the choice was either a brand new GTI or a lightly used A3.

    To be honest despite sharing so much in common the Golf and A3 are very different beasts entirely. The MK5 Golf GTI is a focused, direct and responsive car. Everything about it is set up beautifully and it feels like a go-kart compared to an A3. It is in every sense a 'hot hatch'. If it's a drivers car you want, there's no argument.
    The A3 on the other hand to me is designed to serve a different purpose. It's not a performance focused hatch but is probably one of the best all rounders money can buy IMHO (waits for the backlash!!).

    Reasons i chose my A3 over a Golf:

    *Far superior cabin (but you would expect this, the A3 is more luxury/exec orientated than the Golf)
    *Cheaper insurance than the Golf (the average buyer of the A3 is less 'boy racer' in the eyes of the insurance companies)
    *It's almost as quick, if not as direct and focused. Still a good laugh when the mood takes you though!
    *More of a prestige/quality image. Maybe i am shallow but the A3 is more of a status symbol if we're honest. Thats no disrespect to the Golf though. The GTI has more kudos than 99.9% of hatches on the road.
    *I love the very low key, understated image of the A3 S-Line. It's nice to be annonymous when you choose to be.
    *Mine is the quattro version which offers something the Golf never could. In the recent snow i thanked my lucky stars i went for the A3 at times. I think the quattro is a really nice, reassuring feature.
    *I generally prefer the styling. The cabin feels more cockpit-like
    due to the lower windscreen level. The angular lines just give the A3 more of a sharp, aggressive stance and the stubby nose is a lovely bit of design. Not to get into 'designer talk' but the exterior design of the A3 when you inspect it closely is almost faultless in it's details. The front wing and split line down the length of the car are just beautifully designed.

    I could go on but i won't! On the whole, you'll get a far more enjoyable drivers car on a budget with the Golf. You'll lack the prestige feel of the A3 but the driving experience will more than make up for it.

    Hope you love it. Good luck!
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    That's what happens when you don't read the whole thread, I didn't realise the OP had bought the car. Oops!

    GTI is a good choise, and you chose the best colour too Duncan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNH80 View Post
    To be honest despite sharing so much in common the Golf and A3 are very different beasts entirely. The MK5 Golf GTI is a focused, direct and responsive car. Everything about it is set up beautifully and it feels like a go-kart compared to an A3. It is in every sense a 'hot hatch'. If it's a drivers car you want, there's no argument.
    The A3 on the other hand to me is designed to serve a different purpose. It's not a performance focused hatch but is probably one of the best all rounders money can buy IMHO
    Spot on, I'd say.


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    I am now the proud owner of a 2006 Candy white GTI with loads of extra's:

    drove from east sussex to west yorkshire to pick it up (then drove back with it the same day)

    first thoughts of the car (bearing in mind when i put the deposit on the car i had never driven the Golf or a car with DSG)

    Ride: firm but comortable - would definetly not want it to be any softer, handles great! loads of grip, responsive steering (has the 18' wheels) ride doesnt feel too firm at all and through the corners is just great

    Performance:

    it has had the WALD conversion similar to being chipped by bluefin or ST3 except it keeps the VW warranty
    was extremely responsive and has only done 15k miles so as the drive went on the car became more and more responsive and just powers through each gear, was really supprised just how much torque there is - have part exchange a 172 cup and that was a pretty quick car but just didnt have the low down power

    DSG: as i expected - GREAT!! auto when you want it - manual when you dont - great for saving fuel on the motorway just keep it in 6th and you dont drain the tank. i did 340 miles on a full tank with a mix of traffic, motorway cruising and driving on country lanes, keep at around 89ish on the motorway and gave it some on some of the quieter roads when the traffic died down - was pleased with the economy for how good the performance is.

    Extra's / cabin:
    i think the cabin is great, arguments over whether it is better than the a3 im sure still remain but am really pleased with it and dont find it lacking in any way.
    Stereo - is ok, a little disapointed in sound quality but nice to have a 6 cd changer in the arm rest, may consider replacing some of the stock speakers

    also would like to get a bluetooth kit maybe parot not sure yet


    otherwise fantastic car - am really really over the moon with it

    thanks again for all the help and advice from everyone

    Cheers

    Duncan


    only have one photo but will take better ones tomorrow


    (pictures to follow tomorrow)
    Last edited by Duncan; 10th March 2009 at 19:02. Reason: extra info + photo

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    Well done mate, lovely car, but you should have got a diesel!

    All you need is to recover from the jet lag, fill up the tank and get to the A272 and enjoy...

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    Looks the ********.
    Best colour IMO, even better with the ED30 style colour coding.

    Good choice, enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuldReekie View Post
    Well done mate, lovely car, but you should have got a diesel!

    All you need is to recover from the jet lag, fill up the tank and get to the A272 and enjoy...
    had a great drive down from keighley in west yorkshire all the way down to eastbourne, just past the brighton

    so rapid with the WALD conversion - just pulls and pulls, suprised how effortlessly quick it is to be honest - is a struggle keeping it below 100 on the motorway, have to restrain myself and put the cruise control on

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuldReekie View Post
    Well done mate, lovely car, but you should have got a diesel!

    All you need is to recover from the jet lag, fill up the tank and get to the A272 and enjoy...
    lol - just thought - did drive down the a272 the other day, is a great stretch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan View Post
    is a struggle keeping it below 100 on the motorway, have to restrain myself and put the cruise control on
    Ditto


    Looking forward to the pics. BTW, did it have the bottle opener (cup holder divider) in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuldReekie View Post
    Ditto


    Looking forward to the pics. BTW, did it have the bottle opener (cup holder divider) in it?
    not quite sure what you mean? do you mean that gap with the cover just infront of the front centre armrest?

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    In the ones that I drove there was a dinky metal bottle opener in the console, next to the handbrake; it is used as the divider/retainer in the cupholder. It may be that it is replaced in your model, but I know that they have a habit of being found before they are lost.

    Small beer though, doesn't detract from the car if it has been liberated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuldReekie View Post
    In the ones that I drove there was a dinky metal bottle opener in the console, next to the handbrake; it is used as the divider/retainer in the cupholder. It may be that it is replaced in your model, but I know that they have a habit of being found before they are lost.

    Small beer though, doesn't detract from the car if it has been liberated.
    will have a look - got a nice drive to brighton and back to look forward too today, will take some more pix of the car!

    just cant get over the performance and that wasnt coming from a 1.2 fiesta - my cup was nippy but this is in a different league! couldnt be more pleased with the car!

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    a few more photo's of my pride and joy




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    Very tidy car for a 56 plate, and stunning in white too. Better nick than my 07 S3 :-(

    Nice to see the full colour coding on yours (one of the things I thought was really mean on the 1st gen Mk5's was that big black bumper strip on the back).

    Is it a 230PS + WALD, or
    a 200PS + WALD?

    Sorry to be so nosey, but what is WALD - just a remap or 'other bits too'. Never heard of them in my years as a VAG addict so wonder who VAG have finally entrusted to fettle their cars.

    FInal question, does it have the Dynaudio pack, and if so, does it sound good?

    Cheers mate, and enjoy!!

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    Hey Warren,

    the car i belive is 200ps + Wald conversion

    my understanding is that the WALD conversion was carried out in germany before being inported to the uk although the car is not registered as an import (not quite sure how that works)

    I think it is just a remap - unfortunatley have never driven a standard GTI so am unsure about the difference in power but this feels seriously quick!!

    im told its running around 240bhp to 250bhp

    i think its the standard audio setup - have not seen any dynaudio branding inside the car

    to be honest my only gripe with the car is the stereo - dont think its that great although do like having a 6cd disk changer in the arm rest.

    all in all the car is superb, am thrilled to bits with it, have already done nearly 700 miles since monday afternoon!

    if your thinking of getting one i couldnt reccomend it highly enough. people do say that the interior is inferior compared to the A3 equivalent but i am really happy with it, doesnt feel cheap or badly built and i think it looks great at night.

    the seats are very comfy and seriously supportive!

    hope this helps

    Duncan

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    LoL, Essthree wants to convince us all to go Diesel. PMSL. Not in this lifetime dood.

    Anyway,
    Quote Originally Posted by biggiep View Post
    if I can make the cheddar i'll show off a GT3 in yellow every day of the week!
    This may be of help:


    Making Cheddar
    by Katie Thear


    This hard cheese is one of the great cheeses of the world. It is usually made with cows milk, but I frequently made it from goats milk. Goat and ewes milk both produce a slightly softer curd than cows milk, and they require slightly reduced temperatures. The curds from these milks also need slightly less pressing.
    Sterilise all the equipment in hot water and ensure that the room is not subject to cold draughts. Give yourself plenty of time, without the possibility of interruptions.
    Ingredients

    This makes approximately 0.5kg (1lb) of Cheddar. The final weight will vary depending on the type of milk. For a larger quantity, adjust the ingredients accordingly. It should be pointed out that it is far more economical to make a larger quantity than the one stated here because it takes just as long to make a small cheese as a larger one.
    • 5 litres (1gallon) full cream milk
    • 1 litre (1.7pints) additional cream (optional)
    • 5ml (1 teaspoon) liquid starter or 5ml DVI dry starter (or half a cup of live yoghurt/live buttermilk although this is not as reliable as a commercial starter)
    • 3ml (half teaspoon) rennet
    • 10g salt
    Method

    Pasteurisation: Pasteurise the milk to destroy unwanted bacteria. To avoid damaging the subsequent curd, this is normally 66 OC held for 30 minutes. Cool to 21 OC.
    Starter:Stir in the starter and leave the milk, covered in a warm place for about an hour so that it can acidify. Dont leave it for much longer than this otherwise the cheese may be too dry and crumbly.
    Rennet: Increase the temperature to 28 OC for goat or ewes milk, or to 30 OC for cows milk. Mix the rennet with two teaspoonfuls of previously boiled and cooled water and then stir it in. Give it another stir 5 minutes later to stop the cream collecting at the top. Cover the container and then leave the milk to set in a warm place.
    Setting: (Coagulating): The curd is normally ready when it is firm to the touch, gives slightly and does not leave a milk stain on the back of the finger. Note that with vegetarian rennet, setting takes longer than with animal rennet. It also takes longer in a cooler environment.
    Cutting the curd: This is where the curd is cut in order to release the liquid whey. Cut down into the curd, from top to bottom one way then cut it at right angles to form square columns. The curd is then loosened from around the walls of the pan. Unless a curd knife is available to make horizontal cuts, a palette knife can used to make diagonal cuts to break up the curd into pieces that are approximately pea-sized. Stir gently with the hand for a couple of minutes.
    Scalding: Sometimes referred to as cooking, this is where the temperature of the curds and whey is raised slowly while occasional stirring of the curds takes place by hand. Gradually increase the temperature to 38 OC over the next 30-40 minutes.
    Pitching: This is the process of giving the whey a final, circular stir so that it whirls round. The curds then gradually sink to the bottom and collect at a central point. Turn off the heat and leave the pan until all movement has ceased in the liquid.
    Running the whey: Ladle out as much of the liquid whey as possible, then place a previously sterilised cloth over a stainless steel bucket or large basin and tip in the curds. Make the cloth into a bundle by winding one corner around the other three. This is called a Stilton knot. Place the bundle on a tray which is tilted at an angle to let the whey drain away. Leave for about 15 minutes.
    Stacking or cheddaring (Texturing):Untie the bundle and the curds will be seen to have formed into a mass. Cut this into four slices and place one on top of the other then cover with the cloth. After about fifteen minutes place the outer slices of the curd on the inside of the stack, and vice versa. Repeat this process several times until the curd resembles the texture of cooked breast of chicken when it is broken open.
    Milling: This is the process of cutting the curd into pea-sized pieces. Traditionally a curd mill was used for this, but it is easy to do it by hand.
    Salting: Sprinkle 10g salt onto the milled curds. rolling them gently without breaking them further.
    Moulding: This is the process of lining the cheese mould from the press with previously boiled cheesecloth and adding the curd until the mould is full. The corner of the cloth is then folded over the top of the cheese and it is ready for pressing.
    Pressing: Once in the mould the curds have a wooden follower placed on top so that when the mould is put into the press there is a surface on which to exert an even pressure.
    Pressing cheese is essentially a process of compacting the curds while extracting the liquid whey. For the first hour, apply a light pressure so that the fats are not lost with the whey then increase it to the maximum and leave until the following day.
    Next day, remove the cheese from the press, replace the cloth with a clean one and put the cheese back in the mould, upside down, and press for another 24 hours.
    Drying: Remove the cheese from the press and cloth and dip it in hot water (66 OC) for one minute in order to consolidate and smooth the surface. Place it in a protected area at a temperature of 18-21 OC and leave it to dry for a day or two until a rind begins to form.
    Sealing: Once the rind has formed the cheese can be sealed to prevent it becoming unduly desiccated while it is maturing. Large cheeses are sometimes bandaged but it is much easier to use cheese wax that is available from specialist suppliers.
    Using a water bath, heat the wax in a pan and stir it to ensure that it is melting evenly.
    Do not leave the pan unattended in case of fire! Dip the cheese into the liquid wax and coat thoroughly. It sets quickly, so rotate the cheese so that the area where your fingers are touching can also be coated. If preferred, you can paint on the wax with a paintbrush but this will probably need two coats.

    Maturing: The last stage is often the all-important one. A cheese, which is tasteless and bland when freshly made, is full of flavour and body after its proper ripening period.
    Leave to mature in a cool, dry place at 8 11 OC where it should be turned daily for the first three weeks, then on alternate days after that. For a large mild cheese, ripening should take place for at least three months. A longer period of ripening produces a more mature cheese. Smaller cheeses are usually ready after a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiZBiT View Post
    LoL, Essthree wants to convince us all to go Diesel. PMSL. Not in this lifetime dood.
    I really don't give a **** what you all buy...
    It would just be nice if people took the Audi-tinted, petrol biased spectacles off every now and then, and opened their eyes to what's going on in the Automotive Industry.

    I'm not saying diesel is better. I'm not saying anyone should buy one over a petrol. I still own petrol cars. But there are some proper performance diesels out there for those not too blinkered to look.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    I really don't give a **** what you all buy...
    It would just be nice if people took the Audi-tinted, petrol biased spectacles off every now and then, and opened their eyes to what's going on in the Automotive Industry.

    I'm not saying diesel is better. I'm not saying anyone should buy one over a petrol. I still own petrol cars. But there are some proper performance diesels out there for those not too blinkered to look.
    Think you just took the bait matey......
    Now:
    -MK2 Golf Gti 16V/VR6, Oak Green, Shrick, Intake, Decat, Kish Retrim, Lenso BSX..
    -BMW 335d Xdrive, Estoril Blue, fully loaded.

    Before:
    S3 (8P), Ibis, DSG, Milltek, SHARK

    BMW 320d M Sport
    S3 (8P), Sprint, REVO, H&R Springs, BBS CHs,

    Golf MK5 GTi 20TFSI - REVO Stage1, Red.
    Golf MK5 GTi 20TFSI - Std, Shadow Blue
    Civic Type `R`
    Golf MK4 GTi 18T - 200bhp, MTM ECU, Forge DV
    Golf MK3 VR6 - Cat Back
    Corrado VR6 - JAMEX
    Corrado G60 - JAMEX, BRM Charger rebuild
    etc....

 

 
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