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    DSG Failures

    As I consider myself to be pretty "normal"...I'm starting to twitch a bit prior to picking up the car on friday. Should I have gone for a manual instead of DSG? So I go online!! (bad move), it seems everywhere I go there are horror stories re-DSG. 4k for a new box 2k for a mechatronic...whatever the hell that is? I fully understand they have probably sold 100'000s of DSG's and there are bound to some failures. So I was wondering how many peeps on here have had to fork out big bucks for DSG problems...And hopefully put my mind at rest if only a little....
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    I've not heard much. Same with anything on the net, people always like to moan! You wont get people starting a thread saying how good their DSG is so you will always pick up the negativity first.

    Chill aout a bit, I never give it a thought until it was sat on my drive!
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    Yeah your probably right. Who was it that said " a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"?
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    I'm on my second new A3 with a DSG greabox and have had no problems at all.

    The mechatronic by the the way is the unit that sits on the gearbox and controls all the gearchanging and the two clutches.

    Here is a link to a PDF file of an article that describes the DSG and how it works which may be of interest.

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    I had no problems with my DSG, I just didn't like it (putting it mildly...)

    It has to be said though, I wouldn't fancy owning DSG as the miles start mounting up.
    Even DSG's most vehement supporter, namely David (above), is trading in his car at relatively low mileages.
    You know a manual car is going to need a clutch at some point.
    You can budget for it, using places that specialise in fixed-cost clutch renewals.
    God knows what clutch replacement(s) would cost for a DSG.
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    A member on here is putting 340lb of touqe through his standard DSG box and his is going strong!

    They are very underated from what I've been told - they can handle a fair bit more than what audi give them from standard.

    I wouldnt really worry tbh. If your that weary of it, then maybe an aftermarket AA warranty?

    But mine done 60k with no issues.

    So long as the oils changed on the spcified intervals andthe cars fully serviced, i wouldnt really worry!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaz219 View Post

    I wouldnt really worry tbh. If your that wary of it, then maybe an aftermarket AA warranty?
    Warranties won't cover you for clutch/es replacement though, will they?
    Even if they cover 'wear and tear', clutch plates are classed as consumables, aren't they?
    So you'd be covered for a DSG failure, but you'll still (at some point) have to stump up for the twin clutches to be replaced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    Warranties won't cover you for clutch/es replacement though, will they?
    Even if they cover 'wear and tear', clutch plates are classed as consumables, aren't they?
    So you'd be covered for a DSG failure, but you'll still (at some point) have to stump up for the twin clutches to be replaced.
    I meant if the actual DSG box was to fail itself - they should cover it.

    Clutches - that is wear and tear - doubt any warranty will cover it but a member had his flywheel replaced on the warranty as it broke... Couldn't that be assicated with wear and tear :S
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    There is a big difference between a normal single dry clutch in which the friction material wears out and the twin wet clutches used in the DSG. Here is part of an article on the DSG which explains:

    "Although wet or dry clutches can be used in a dual-clutch transmission, BorgWarner specified the former. Unlike a dry friction clutch that consumes its friction material and requires eventual replacement, a wet clutch is bathed in transmission fluid, which lubricates and cools it, allowing greater longevity and more consistent shift quality over a wide range of operating conditions."

    I have no idea how long the wet clutches are designed to last but I'm pretty certain it will considerably longer than a normal dry friction clutch. Also there are two wet clutches each doing half the work so in theory they should last twice as long anyway. The system used to control the DSG also means that things like 'riding' the clutch etc are eliminated thus removing another cause of wear in a normal dry clutch.

    When I'm next at my dealers I will ask one of the Masters Techs what is the highest mileage they have seen to date on a DSG equipped car.

    The highest mileage I've had in recent times on a VAG car was 60,000 miles on a manual gearbox 2.8 Golf VR6 and that did not show any sign a clutch wear.

    Personally I would expect the two wet clutches in the DSG to last at least 100,000 - 150,000 miles before showing any serious signs of wear.
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    Prior to buying this car I was going to look at another 2.0TFSI but something cropped up and I didn't go. It went something like this. Audi A3 2005 55 plate 2.0 TFSI. DSG, full leather, sat nav, etc etc, excellent cond full audi history. High on the miles but mint condition car...7999....

    High on the miles................How many miles you might ask?.....134,000!!!!!!
    And the guy said it drives like new and he'd put a full 12 months warranty on it!!1 134,000 miles in 3 1/2 years.....now that's motoring.
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    VW say that the DSG clutches should last the "lifetime of the vehicle" whatever that is and effectively not need replacing under normal operating conditions. Although, I have to say, presumably one is always de-clutched - surely that must put extra strain on the springs? I guess that must have been thought about when it was designed...

    Although of course, the new 7 speed DSG is a dry clutch arrangement. Why the change I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a3norwich View Post
    Although of course, the new 7 speed DSG is a dry clutch arrangement. Why the change I wonder?
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    Just found out the car had a DSG oil change at 36k miles, so I should be ok for another 6k miles. They said 170.00 inc vat is that about right?
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    Further to my earlier posts. I emailed Warranty Direct, one of the leading suppliers of extended warranties, and they confirmed this morning that the wet clutch unit on the DSG is not considered a 'wear' item and would therefore be fully covered by their extended warranties. On a manual gearbox the clutch friction plate would not be covered.

    Using my current A3 as an example and with any work that was needed being carried out by an Audi dealer, they quoted 390 for a years cover.
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    390..Hmm! There are 3 or 4 on e-bay from 500-900 so I feel a little easier about it anyway. But thanks for finding the info. As an aside, the AA will do it for 199 for one year. their standard warranty cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firebobby View Post
    390..Hmm! There are 3 or 4 on e-bay from 500-900 so I feel a little easier about it anyway. But thanks for finding the info. As an aside, the AA will do it for 199 for one year. their standard warranty cover.
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    The AA's price is probably using their own choice of garages rather than Audi dealers. I know Warranty Direct would have also done for less if I hadn't specified I want any work that was needed done by a dealer.
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    Ah!! Well to be honest, I use a local garage where I have gone (and worked for in the past) for over 30 years. In fact one of his customers has a A.M. vantage and he takes it there for servicing!! He does use dealer parts though.
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    That's a very good price on the warrenty!! I was quoted 700 last year (inc DSG cover)....
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    just as this is quite relevant now, today Warranty Direct gave the go ahead for my Flywheel on my DSG as it failed. Thank god they did too because i didnt realise you can only get the flywhhel used in the DSG cars from the dealer. 528quid EXCLUDING VAT!
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    And how much has warranty direct cost over the time you have had it ? not the 700 rafkoo was charged i hope !
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    Nope it's 17 a month and I've had it since March. So thats about 70. the total invoice for the new Flywheel came to 1086 , so I think that's a rather good decision to get warranty if you ask me.
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    Well, and all this way down still not read anyone who has had a DSG failure.

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    Yeah just to clarify the DSG is fine,it's just the flywheel. However I have had the problem where the DSG completely disengages and doesn't go into any gear, but only 2 times in over a year
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    Quote Originally Posted by just017 View Post
    Yeah just to clarify the DSG is fine,it's just the flywheel. However I have had the problem where the DSG completely disengages and doesn't go into any gear, but only 2 times in over a year
    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthr...746#post929746

    However, if the DSG changes can be customized to individual requirements, even in the Diesel I think DSG should be good - just wasn't for me.

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    DSG with HPA flash FTW!!!

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    I went with a warranty direct warranty aswell for about 400 a year. It's piece of mind if nothing else. There are lots of warranties out there but most of them list the parts that are covered where as warrAnty direct and warrantywise just cover everything.

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