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    driving the Quattro in anger...

    So historically I've had a couple of powerful / nimble RWD cars and a very entertaining perminant 50:50 split 4WD Jap turbo hatch all of which i was pretty happy pushing hard once in a while (on a track naturally)

    Just got a 3.2 Quattro a couple of weeks back as my first sensible car for a while and i'm trying to work out the way the Quattro works when it comes to pushing the car.... the switching between 2 & 4WD is a little confusing to say the least!

    So basically is there any technique to driving these in anger? The grip seems to be there when cornering and accelerating, although the understeer is pretty self evident (as expected with the weight of the engine).

    How much can the ESP be relyed on? Is it pretty good at catching you when things go pair shapped? Will it stop under/oversteer or just try and prevent you spinning?

    any info / experiance welcome - just to note i'm not looking to drive like a numpty on public roads, i'm just interested in the handling characteristics of the car and quattro system

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    I wouldnt personally advise taking advice on how much the car can handle. LoL, you may end up in a bush because someone said "Aw mate teh quattro is teh ********! It will gett you out of any ****"

    I think you need to feel it out yourself, find the vehicles AND YOUR OWN limits.

    HTH

    P.S. Why not book a trackday?

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    Main think is that A3/S3 quattro is missing fron LSD wich definitely would help during cornering.

    You can instal haldex controller that helps a bit
    Here's mail from one mate who instaled haldex controles
    "...With the new controller the car seems more planted and feels like the reaction is alot quicker. The torque is transfered to the rear wheels during acceleration quicker and stronger. You wont feel a difference during everyday driving but once you go on a spirited run or take the car to the track you can definately feel a difference. The more you give it the more you feel the difference... "

    I heard that there is an option with some kind of program that turn ESP and ABS off...
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    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    I wouldnt personally advise taking advice on how much the car can handle. LoL, you may end up in a bush because someone said "Aw mate teh quattro is teh ********! It will gett you out of any ****"

    ...

    P.S. Why not book a trackday?
    don't worry i'm not going to hoon it around based on what someone on a forums tells me! more interested in other's opinion/experience


    And a track day is certainly on the cards in the next couple of months.

    The Haldex controller is tempting, would like to drive a car with one installed ideally as its a pretty big outlay....

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    from all accounts the improved haldex has had very good feedback, really has so cant go wrong at all.

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    A good read on Haldex -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haldex

    Some controller porn -

    http://www.hpamotorsports.com/haldex.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by gr1zly View Post
    Main think is that A3/S3 quattro is missing fron LSD wich definitely would help during cornering.

    Wasnt there a guy here who installed one on his turbo 3.2 A3? From france iirc.

    Anyways, I though that there was no point on the S3 since any hint of wheel spin or a dab on the brakes will re-activate the ESP even if you turn it "off"? Not sure where i read this, but if anyone wants to confirm it's really stays off then I'd love to look into a LSD a few years down the road.
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    It was jamminben or something like that....


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    Once you have switched ESP off , it stays off, until you turn the ignition off or manually switch it on, regardless of what you do. I switched ESP off on my s3 when I did a track day, and it stayed off.

    I have read that you cant turn off the electrionic diff lock (EDL) though, this is audi's attempt at giving you the same effect as a LSD but without the expense of actually fitting one. As you'd expect, its nowhere near as good as a proper LSD.

    Short of throwing the car into a corner and lifting sharply off the gas or pulling the handbrake on , you're not going to get it to oversteer, it just wont do it, all you get is understeer. Unless you're on a very slippery surface (ice/snow) in which case you can get power oversteer.

    I find ESP too intrusive, and best left switched off.

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    i tryed mine on a untreated road esp on and i did not see it cut in i guess it only works when one wheel slips and not all four the front over steared and the back came out
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    When you turn off ESP it doesn't work but somethink is not ok, for exampel:

    I went for a race truck ESP off after 30 min of driving on dash board I saw ESP FAILURE
    Next time during snow fun after 10 min I saw thesame.

    My friends had same problem.

    ESP is off but when you touch brake EBD probably works, my local tuner made soft which will turn off ESP and ABS

    just wondering how ESP would work with front LSD?
    Quaife made LSD for S3 so I suppose that it works...
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    This quote has made my day hahahaha!

    I had alot of fun finding out what mt quattro could and couldnt do, and only ruined 2xpairs of shreddies!



    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    I wouldnt personally advise taking advice on how much the car can handle. LoL, you may end up in a bush because someone said "Aw mate teh quattro is teh ********! It will gett you out of any ****"

    I think you need to feel it out yourself, find the vehicles AND YOUR OWN limits.

    HTH

    P.S. Why not book a trackday?
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    Quote Originally Posted by itssam View Post
    Just got a 3.2 Quattro a couple of weeks back as my first sensible car for a while and i'm trying to work out the way the Quattro works when it comes to pushing the car.... the switching between 2 & 4WD is a little confusing to say the least!

    So basically is there any technique to driving these in anger? The grip seems to be there when cornering and accelerating, although the understeer is pretty self evident (as expected with the weight of the engine).

    How much can the ESP be relyed on? Is it pretty good at catching you when things go pair shapped? Will it stop under/oversteer or just try and prevent you spinning?
    The car will be 4wd most of the time its moving fwd with varying degrees of power being transferred aft depending on the amount of acceleration and what the car is doing i.e cornering. It does not suddenly switch to 4wd from 2wd like some think. The more agressive your driving the more power will be sent aft. As you have found the 3.2s do tend to understeer if you get to agressive though so learn the limits gradually.

    The ESP will try and control the cars position and isnt just traction control. I dont know how good it is though as I never managed to get out of shape enough for it to work.
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