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    Not sure if the 535d has the same bi-turbo unit as the 335d. All i know is that the 335 diesel is rated as one of the best engines BMW have ever made and i can assure you it doesn't sound like a tractor, just loads of low grunt, whistling turbos and enough torque to push you through the back window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNH80 View Post
    I'm sorry but i find it really hard to believe that an S3 struggles to pull away from a 2.0TDI up to 70 mph. I'm simply not having it!!
    It's all about the thrust.
    Their respective combinations of power,torque and gearing means that it's entirely feasible the tdi makes as much thrust as the S3, in the lower gears.
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    I dont think the Diesel could replace that punch in the back from the S3 when you drop the clutch at 4k rpm. thats some serious grip and acceleration, amazes me every time!

    And the Diesel wont do 165Mph


    But thats me Phantom, everyones different and if the Deisel works better for you, you should go for it
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    On a side note, it'll be interesting to see the difference between me and the S3's on the Switzerland trip. I know an S3 would leave me for dead (especially the boys that are Hammered with over 100bhp more than me!) but everyone is going on about running costs and with diesel 10p more that petrol per litre. Will be interesting to see how much we pay for petrol because we would have all covered the same mileage.
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    It's always a nice can of worms the diesel v petrol debate

    I've always driven diesels and I have to admit that when I had a 1.8T when mine was in getting sorted, it was a nice change to drive a petrol and have the high revs. It's a different drive altogether though - the power is higher up the rev range as opposed to the low end torque in a diesel.

    Still, it's good to hear your views P coming from an S3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lil_coz View Post
    On a side note, it'll be interesting to see the difference between me and the S3's on the Switzerland trip. I know an S3 would leave me for dead (especially the boys that are Hammered with over 100bhp more than me!) but everyone is going on about running costs and with diesel 10p more that petrol per litre. Will be interesting to see how much we pay for petrol because we would have all covered the same mileage.
    You should easily keep up, we won't be pushing too hard, and your mpg will be roughly double!

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    Personally I now there are outstanding diesels and outstanding petrols... It is a matter of personal choice really. I like the way a petrol drives and the higher revs...

    Somehow they are trying to make diesels as smooth and refined as petrols... I wonder why?

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    We went on a driving holiday with another (petrol driving) couple once.
    I got so hacked off with them having to stop to refuel all the time, when I still had hundreds of miles left.
    It got to the stage I just said "see you there"
    It was nullifying the biggest advantage I had and dragging me down to their level.
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    Let's get this right , i'm not saying a TDI is better/just as good as my S3 , coz it isn't IMHO..........pulling away from lights or overtaking on or off the M/way day to day on a commute i wouldn't miss the S3 , and the TDI has got alot going for it running cost wise.

    Then it goes dark and it's play time and the TDI couldn't live with the S3 end of errand.

    Summut to think about though in the future.

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    That is an inconvenient... I agree... especially on long trips...

    But is like having a sexy girlfriend... you just have to live with the fact that lots of blokes are going to look at her... just don't get upset about it! ahahah

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    I have a 2.0TDI A3 as a courtesy car i'm guessing it's a 170bhp model ( first time ive driven one )

    In normal driving it feels faster than my S3 , i know it's all torque , but pulling away from lights it feels fast , putting your foot down in 6th on the M/way it feels just as fast as my S3, yeah i can wring the S3's neck and the'll be no contest , but day to day it's just as fast, it's a bit wobberly , but nothing a set of H&R's wouldn't sort out.

    I could trade down ( have a nice chunk in the bank )

    Cheaper insurance

    More MPG ( even thoughi don't pay for fuel )

    Not give a **** about where it's parked

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    Quote Originally Posted by siu00adg View Post
    You should easily keep up, we won't be pushing too hard, and your mpg will be roughly double!
    Oh normal driving/pushing on a little, it'll keep up no problem. Its when you open up the taps fully where i'll be dropping back. I'm not expecting it to be like that all the time otherwise you'll be stopping at every other petrol station! lol Its overall petrol costs that'll be interesting to see for everyone. V6's S3's and the TDI's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    We went on a driving holiday with another (petrol driving) couple once.
    I got so hacked off with them having to stop to refuel all the time, when I still had hundreds of miles left.
    It got to the stage I just said "see you there"
    It was nullifying the biggest advantage I had and dragging me down to their level.
    Should you have not been stopping for breaks anyway? I bet they weren't stopping every half-an-hour. I'm not sure diesel cars were invented so you could drive 8-9 hours non-stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalex View Post
    Should you have not been stopping for breaks anyway? I bet they weren't stopping every half-an-hour. I'm not sure diesel cars were invented so you could drive 8-9 hours non-stop.
    They were having to stop every bloody 250-300 miles!
    I'm happy doing a lot more than that in one go.

    Actually, I don't even think they were getting 250-300 miles.
    Probably nearer 200 miles to a tank, at motorway speeds.

    "you not need fuel yet?"
    "nope, get a bloody move on, eh?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by consilio View Post
    I dont think the Diesel could replace that punch in the back from the S3 when you drop the clutch at 4k rpm. thats some serious grip and acceleration, amazes me every time!
    Don't see how it could either, it doesn't rev that high.................

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNH80 View Post
    I'm sorry but i find it really hard to believe that an S3 struggles to pull away from a 2.0TDI up to 70 mph. I'm simply not having it!!
    Dave, the figures... 5.6s vs 7.8s

    LoL. Ok, im not getting into this

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    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    P, the S3 is much more than just a fast hatch, its also a lovely place to be, all the little reminders inside that tell you its a little bit special. The people that turn round as you pass to get a proper eyefull also serve to remind you that its more than just a run of the mill car.

    Apart from the FBSW what makes the interior of the S3 any different to an Sline?

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    Well mines different, ive got the optional bucket seats, the upgraded steering wheel, s3 badges well placed to let you know you are driving the creme de la creme!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    Dave, the figures... 5.6s vs 7.8s
    Yeah, but he's said his is chipped to 200bhp, didn't he?
    So knock a second off, that's it down to 6.8s.
    Add in someone who can't launch an S3 properly (many people are scared they'll trash their clutch), and you've got a race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUX View Post
    Well mines different, ive got the optional bucket seats, the upgraded steering wheel, s3 badges well placed to let you know you are driving the creme de la creme!!!
    yeah but stock vs stock, what's the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    Yeah, but he's said his is chipped to 200bhp, didn't he?
    So knock a second off, that's it down to 6.8s.
    Add in someone who can't launch an S3 properly (many people are scared they'll trash their clutch), and you've got a race.
    Well i for one would love to see a tuning chip knock a whole second off your 0-60 time.

    Please, show me the evidence and i'll condede to that point. But even so, still at 7 seconds, at which point any S3 driver whos not scared about burning his clutch... Infact, lets take the silly variables out, ANY S3 driver will be well in front. So back to my original point, there is no race...

    The diesel car makes you feel you're travelling fast, I know, I had one. But the fact is, its just not that fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacardi View Post
    yeah but stock vs stock, what's the difference?
    S3 badging, Gear knob, Chrome pedals, Chrome vents, Big wheels, lower by 25mm, flaired arches, Front end, rear end, side skirts......

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    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    S3 badging, Gear knob, Chrome pedals, Chrome vents, Big wheels, lower by 25mm, flaired arches, Front end, rear end, side skirts......
    Not sure about the arches, but there is a lot more aluminium on the S3, and better brakes, and obviosuly that engine!

    Oh, front and rear splitters too, not that they actually do anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacardi View Post
    Apart from the FBSW what makes the interior of the S3 any different to an Sline?
    Also my speedometer (which is in Km.. euro spec) marks 300Km/h!!!

    Alluminium surrondings on air vents... and it is and feels like aluminium... not bloody plastic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bacardi View Post
    Apart from the FBSW what makes the interior of the S3 any different to an Sline?
    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    S3 badging, Gear knob, Chrome pedals, Chrome vents, Big wheels, lower by 25mm, flaired arches, Front end, rear end, side skirts......
    An S3 isn't 25mm lower than an S-Line is it?! It'll be on it a$$ then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by newbiecrg View Post
    Also my speedometer (which is in Km.. euro spec) marks 300Km/h!!!

    Alluminium surrondings on air vents... and it is and feels like aluminium... not bloody plastic...

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    Mine are aluminium look! make of horrible plastic! the TT ones are much nicer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    They were having to stop every bloody 250-300 miles!
    I'm happy doing a lot more than that in one go.

    Actually, I don't even think they were getting 250-300 miles.
    Probably nearer 200 miles to a tank, at motorway speeds.

    "you not need fuel yet?"
    "nope, get a bloody move on, eh?"
    200 miles? What's he driving a Gallardo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    S3 badging, Gear knob, Chrome pedals, Chrome vents, Big wheels, lower by 25mm, flaired arches, Front end, rear end, side skirts......
    Was more interested in the interior differences, so

    S3 badges
    Knob
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    basically an A3 with a splash of chrome.........

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    Ah ok, you win.

    The S3 is no faster than a Diesel, and it's no better place to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by siu00adg View Post
    Mine are aluminium look! make of horrible plastic! the TT ones are much nicer.
    Strange... my air vents sorrounding... the one you use to close or open the passage of air are definitly aluminium in mine.. they feel and sound like metal... but got take my doubts next time when in car... taking a scrwdriver with me!!

    Strange that... The little holder to direct the air might be plastic but the sorroundings I would bet they are allu.. or at least metal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by newbiecrg View Post
    Had those thoughts but not anymore...

    I am doing steady 40-41 mpg on my commuting now so I am quite happy (100 mile round trip)...

    For fun we just do 22 mpg... so who said S3 is not economical... all depends on your right foot... leave home 10 minutes earlier and you will see the savings... Also at rush hour what is the point of booting it? to hit the car in front?

    Pedro
    You must be driving that seriously seriously gently to get that MPG!

    I'm not going to pretend all out maximum attack a 170 is going to be with an S3 cos it isn't but even with a bit of brisk driving it'll do more than an S3 driven in the most economical fashion... I can live with the tractor noise (as some people seem to think it is) for the increase in MPG and accessible power.

    If I did less miles and road tax wasn't going the way it is there is a good chance I'd be back in a petrol (maybe an S3 who knows!) but its not looking likely the way things are now.

    Good that a hot hatch owner can acknowledge the benefits of other fuels used to seeing general slating of them without people realising we choose our cars for different reasons.

    lil coz - agree about the turbo noise with the window down, suprised me how loud it is!
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    So I can get my head around the S3 v TD170 `mini thread`.

    S3 Book Figures (EVO) - Standard Car
    0-60 - 5.6 secs
    0-100 - 13.6

    What are the comparitive times for the TD 170?
    Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    So I can get my head around the S3 v TD170 `mini thread`.

    S3 Book Figures (EVO) - Standard Car
    0-60 - 5.6 secs
    0-100 - 13.6

    What are the comparitive times for the TD 170?
    Anyone?

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    Also, more releveant to normal day-to-day driving the 30-50 figures were 3.4 secs in 3rd and 4.7 secs in 4th. The 50-70 figures were 4.7 secs in 4th, 5.8 secs in 5th and 7.0 secs in 6th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveywolves View Post
    looks like we rattled some cages here then boys...
    LOL, I don't think so. What you've done is say on a public forum that your car can hit 0-62 in about 5.6secs as per an S3. Which most people find hard to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marriedblonde View Post
    LOL, I don't think so. What you've done is say on a public forum that your car can hit 0-62 in about 5.6secs as per an S3. Which most people find hard to believe.
    LOL Sorry... that made me laugh
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    No offence to the S3 owners on here as you are driving a nice car but...

    Quote Originally Posted by JUX View Post
    Well mines different, ive got the optional bucket seats, the upgraded steering wheel, s3 badges well placed to let you know you are driving the creme de la creme!!!
    LOL...yer whatever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    Ah ok, you win.

    The S3 is no faster than a Diesel, and it's no better place to be.
    Oh FFS grow the fk up

    Never said it was faster/slower, was genuinely interested in the differences as some people said it was a much better place to be, which suprised me as I didn't think there was much

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    Can't believe what I am reading, S3 V 170 Diesel, not sure about evil thoughts you have well and truely lost the plot matey it's 100bhp less power, crap noise, no revs, come on get real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUX View Post
    Well mines different, ive got the optional bucket seats, the upgraded steering wheel, s3 badges well placed to let you know you are driving the creme de la creme!!!

    Oh dear !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by marriedblonde View Post
    LOL, I don't think so. What you've done is say on a public forum that your car can hit 0-62 in about 5.6secs as per an S3. Which most people find hard to believe.
    was refering to the petrol heads and the diesel tractors debate......
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