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    New 2.0TFSI to debut on the new A4

    Yep the new 2.0TFSI is going to be added to the new A4 line up this month, some key points of interests

    -It will pack 211PS
    -It uses the new Audi valvelift system
    -Only 154g/km of CO2!!
    -10% better fuel efficiency

    Wow what can I say? 2.0T chucking out 210bhp and producing less CO2 than most Diesel. Cant wait till this gem of an engine gets rolled out to other cars in the Audi range.

    Source: http://www.businesscar.co.uk/story.a...81&c=2&theme=o

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    I suppose it would have been great to have that engine in the facelift A3 but you can't have everything!

    The article you referred to also includes the following (in relation to the A4)
    'Meanwhile, Audi has softened its S-Line suspension settings in response to customer complaints that the ride on the sporty model variant was too uncomfortable. A4 S-Line models are now available with either more compliant Sport (20mm lower) or firmer S-Line (30mm lower) settings as no cost options. Around 65% of all A4s are sold with S-Line body trim which will appear on both.'

    I don't think that is particularly new - in the April 2008 brochure it says
    'Sport suspension 20mm lower than Standard. (S line suspension 30mm lower than Standard. Available in lieu of Sport suspension at no charge.)'
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    So they are just giving you the option to downgrade to the sport suspension if you order the s-line model...

    Be interesting to see if that 2.0 engine makes it into the all-new A3 in a couple of years' time.

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    I wonder what the Audi valvelift system is...
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    Well just a couple of points... It's a bigger car than the A3 so that extra 11bhp will probably just bring the A4 up to A3 speed.
    Better emissions is good news though for company car buyers, with the current price of diesel, an economic petrol unit looks good all of a sudden...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc49 View Post
    -It will pack 211PS
    -It uses the new Audi valvelift system
    -Only 154g/km of CO2!!
    -10% better fuel efficiency

    Wow what can I say? 2.0T chucking out 210bhp and producing less CO2 than most Diesel.
    Not strictly correct.
    The A4's biggest competitor is the 3-series.
    It's due to get the twin-turbo diesel soon, which has 207bhp.
    It's Co2 figure is around 130g/km.
    I also bet the diesel has a whack more torque.
    I also bet the diesel is a damned sight more economical, even taking the claimed 10% more mpg into account.
    But it is good for a petrol, no denying that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    Not strictly correct.
    The A4's biggest competitor is the 3-series.
    It's due to get the twin-turbo diesel soon, which has 207bhp.
    It's Co2 figure is around 130g/km.
    I also bet the diesel has a whack more torque.
    I also bet the diesel is a damned sight more economical, even taking the claimed 10% more mpg into account.
    But it is good for a petrol, no denying that.
    co3 won't be close to 130 in the 3 series though will it?

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    I'd guess as and when the same engine appears in the A3, the CO2 level will drop below 150g/km which means a lower RFL bracket. Very impressive though; it goes to prove that good engine efficiency doesn't just improve power and economy, it can also lower emissions too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dm_irish View Post
    co3 won't be close to 130 in the 3 series though will it?
    It's 138 g/km in the 123D coupe.
    You could argue it's likely to increase for the bigger bodywork of the 3 series, but then it's just as likely they'll 'find' a way to keep it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emzino View Post
    I wonder what the Audi valvelift system is...
    I'll take a stab that it adjusts the opening of the inlet/exhaust valves in accordance with throttle openings.
    If you're on a light throttle, the valves won't open much.
    If you welly it, they'll open fully.
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    I didnt say it has better CO2 than ALL diesel engine did I? I dont see why you would compare it to the 123D, yes it produces 130g/km of CO2 but thats coupled with efficientdynamics. The A4 doesnt have active aerodynamics, start/stop technology, low rolling resistance tyres and regenerative batteries, when you compare it engine to engine I dont see how the new 2.0T would lose out to the BMW's diesel

    The 2.0T will lose out in terms of fuel consumption but then again with the rocketing prices of Diesel in relation to Petrol, how many miles would you have to do in 3 years to make the price difference back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcc49 View Post
    The 2.0T will lose out in terms of fuel consumption but then again with the rocketing prices of Diesel in relation to Petrol, how many miles would you have to do in 3 years to make the price difference back?
    Petrol is only around 10% cheaper than diesel.
    Even if Audi's claim, that their new petrol is 10% more efficient, is true, a diesel will still comfortably beat it, by around 20%.
    So you're still better off with the diesel.
    Don't get me wrong, if they ever make petrols as efficient as diesels, I'll probably go back to petrol too.
    I'm pro-diesel for a reason, not for the sake of it.
    But they're still a good way off from making a petrol car that can do roughly 550 miles to 65.00 of fuel, as my 200bhp/305nm car did last weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    Petrol is only around 10% cheaper than diesel.
    Even if Audi's claim, that their new petrol is 10% more efficient, is true, a diesel will still comfortably beat it, by around 20%.
    So you're still better off with the diesel.
    Only if you do a lot of miles.

    My annual mileage is relatively low, and I worked out that the saving over a year of going diesel rather than petrol was only about 200. This is nothing like enough to compensate for the higher cost of buying the diesel car in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    Petrol is only around 10% cheaper than diesel.
    Even if Audi's claim, that their new petrol is 10% more efficient, is true, a diesel will still comfortably beat it, by around 20%.
    So you're still better off with the diesel.
    Don't get me wrong, if they ever make petrols as efficient as diesels, I'll probably go back to petrol too.
    I'm pro-diesel for a reason, not for the sake of it.
    But they're still a good way off from making a petrol car that can do roughly 550 miles to 65.00 of fuel, as my 200bhp/305nm car did last weekend.
    http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...?storyId=18156

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfspen View Post
    Only if you do a lot of miles.

    My annual mileage is relatively low, and I worked out that the saving over a year of going diesel rather than petrol was only about 200. This is nothing like enough to compensate for the higher cost of buying the diesel car in the first place.
    I'm not so sure about this either.
    Firstly, the residuals on the diesel will be higher, and it's 'sellability' will be greater.
    Secondly, I get the feeling any increase in monthly payments , to buy the diesel in the first place, is more of a 'hidden' cost, if you know what I mean.
    A buyer isn't really going to notice a small increase in monthly payments, because it's a budgeted cost that you aren't actually handing over hard cash for.
    You do notice handing over hard cash at the petrol station every week though, which is where the diesel savings score.

    Take my wife's car, for example.
    I could have saved money getting her a petrol.
    I'd be paying a bit less every month.
    But she'd be filling it up far more often than her diesel.
    So you're 'physically' noticing it more, in monetary terms and hassle terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    I'm not so sure about this either.
    Firstly, the residuals on the diesel will be higher, and it's 'sellability' will be greater.
    Secondly, I get the feeling any increase in monthly payments , to buy the diesel in the first place, is more of a 'hidden' cost, if you know what I mean.
    A buyer isn't really going to notice a small increase in monthly payments, because it's a budgeted cost that you aren't actually handing over hard cash for.
    Yes the residuals might swing it.

    But in my case, I never buy anything on HP. If I can't afford to buy a car outright for cash, I don't buy it !

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    Petrol is only around 10% cheaper than diesel.
    Even if Audi's claim, that their new petrol is 10% more efficient, is true, a diesel will still comfortably beat it, by around 20%.
    So you're still better off with the diesel.
    Don't get me wrong, if they ever make petrols as efficient as diesels, I'll probably go back to petrol too.
    I'm pro-diesel for a reason, not for the sake of it.
    But they're still a good way off from making a petrol car that can do roughly 550 miles to 65.00 of fuel, as my 200bhp/305nm car did last weekend.
    When did I ever state that the petrol was in anyway more fuel efficient than a diesel? Diesel's trump card is fuel efficiency and that is why people do loads of miles buy them.

    I myself dont do mega miles so no I am not 'better off' with diesel please so dont tell me whats better, it will probably take 4-5 years for me to make back the money I paid for the diesel engine as opposed to the petrol and by then the car would of been long gone. I ll stick to the usual petrol engine refinements thank you.

    I am pro-petrol for a reason also, not for the sake of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    But they're still a good way off from making a petrol car that can do roughly 550 miles to 65.00 of fuel, as my 200bhp/305nm car did last weekend.
    What do you reckon you average mpg is from your D3?
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    http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/ab...a4_models.html

    Official Audi press release for those interested along with other refinements in the A4 engine range

    So 42.8mpg combined cycle and 154g/km co2 compared to the old 36.7mpg and 184g/km co2 with a faster 0-62mph sprint time of 6.9s and higher top speed of 155mph (where legal ). All in all a big improvement over the old 2.0T imo
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    Well I do lots of miles and I still drive a petrol... I like the smoothness and the petrol way of driving than the diesels. There are excellent diesels no doubt, very good engines I just prefer the petrol ones.... Call me a petrolhead if you want.

    It is a nuisance to have to fill it up a couple times a week but that is life...

    I won't say I will keep petrol forever and my next car can really be a diesel if I like the way it drives... But having an option for petrol and if I can justify its costs it would be my preferred fuel for the momment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emzino View Post
    I wonder what the Audi valvelift system is...
    Here is an article from Audi World which gives more details of the Valvelift system...

    http://www.audiworld.com/news/08/audi-valvelift-system/
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    Quote Originally Posted by h5djr View Post
    What do you reckon you average mpg is from your D3?
    Sorry, David, I don't appear to have replied to this yet.
    Around 42mpg in normal driving, rising to about 49mpg on longer runs.
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    Is this the same engine?
    http://pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=18270

    peak power and torque is more like a diesels so surely only going to appeal to people that like the characteristics of a diesel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by emzino View Post
    I wonder what the Audi valvelift system is...
    Here ya go :-
    http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080626....stem-in-detail

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    They are also putting it in the A5 too! Think the car is going to be around 28k to buy.
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