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    BLUEFIN: hmmm...

    Well, today received the Bluefin. Went through the set-up process, and well, errr, is that it?!? Just expected more! More oomph that is!

    PS it's def enabled and installed!
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    What engine have you got?

    Definitely noticed the difference in mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbutcher View Post

    Definitely noticed the difference in mine.
    Me too, hated every minute of running un-mapped when the car was in for a service a while back, night and day difference imo...

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    It's an S3.

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    My oettinger map, made a hell of a difference!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by a3norwich View Post
    Well, today received the Bluefin. Went through the set-up process, and well, errr, is that it?!? Just expected more! More oomph that is!

    PS it's def enabled and installed!
    I found when I remapped my a3 2.0TFSI that I didn't noticed any difference for a day or 2! It was weird. But there was definately a difference. And then the same happened when I put the original map back on, felt exactly the same for a bit.

    Hopefully tomorrow you'll notice it.

    How many miles did everyone leave it before a remap on their S3s? My bluefin is now ready to plug in but I have done less than 300 miles so was planning to wait for another few hundred to let the engine run in a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a3norwich View Post
    It's an S3.
    Ahh OK - not much help comparing it to a diesel then .

    I'm sure there was a thread here pretty recently by Simon-s3 - here it is
    Might be worth sending him a PM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by staz1000 View Post
    How many miles did everyone leave it before a remap on their S3s?
    I did mine at just over 1000, would have had it done sooner but was away!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli.H View Post
    I did mine at just over 1000, would have had it done sooner but was away!
    How much sooner? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by a3norwich View Post
    Well, today received the Bluefin. Went through the set-up process, and well, errr, is that it?!? Just expected more! More oomph that is!

    PS it's def enabled and installed!
    And you really can't tell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by staz1000 View Post
    How much sooner? lol

    Audi recommend 750km for running in.
    Says 1500km in the manual

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    Just been out again. There's definitely more urgency, but, I just don't seem to get the wow factor that simon-s3 did. Maybe it's just me! Still, got 7 days to play with it I suppose...

    Didn't someone say that the accelerator peddle unit get's a reset too and starts to relearn?

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    after about 500 miles mine was about as good as it got. Give it a bit more time and make sure you are giving it some stick through the whole rev range (only when the oil is up to temp though).
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    It's all getting a little crazy , i was thinking about Superchips/Bluefin as a alternative to GIAC/Revo , but this is the second thread now where somebody couldn't really tell the difference over std?

    And to be fair!

    Theres been one thread where somebody went from Superchips to the Hammer map and was disapointed!!!!!

    Food for thought!

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    I reckon its a whole industry built on how peoples perception of something changes if you tell them that something has been improved. Nothing really changes at all.
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    Mine will be on a rolling road next week and I will let you know the results to hopefully offer the proof of the Bluefin map. If you are not happy let them know straight away and they will review the map and send a new one. The difference is very noticable, so much so I don't want to go back to standard to see the difference. Also I have found the customer service to be fantastic as well as the technical support guys really having a good grip on the facts about this engine.

    Just a though........with the people who are not happy with a remap, are they using V-Power, or cheap fuel ? I only use V-Power. This would make a huge difference with a remap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by consilio View Post
    I reckon its a whole industry built on how peoples perception of something changes if you tell them that something has been improved. Nothing really changes at all.
    Set yourself up as 'placebo tuning'.
    Or 'ENC tuning' ( Emperor's new clothes...)

    I think Bluefin's a great idea, but I'm a 'proof' man.
    I'd need to see a before and after dyno run, to really accept it was making a difference.
    I wouldn't care if it felt faster, that's no good to me.
    Power delivery can moved around to make a car/bike feel faster, it doesn't mean it actually is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    It's all getting a little crazy , i was thinking about Superchips/Bluefin as a alternative to GIAC/Revo , but this is the second thread now where somebody couldn't really tell the difference over std?

    And to be fair!

    Theres been one thread where somebody went from Superchips to the Hammer map and was disapointed!!!!!

    Food for thought!

    p
    Same here. I was sold on Bluefin until these last couple of threads. now Im not sure. Would be useful to have a SC rep on here to set the record straight as they could be unfairly (or fairly) losing out on business and reputation.
    If REVO wasnt so damn expensive (878.90 for map & select switch) I would just go for that as Ive had it twice before and it works no doubt.

    Bluefin is fantastic value on paper though.

    Watchin this one with much interest..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    Same here. I was sold on Bluefin until these last couple of threads. now Im not sure. Would be useful to have a SC rep on here to set the record straight as they could be unfairly (or fairly) losing out on business and reputation.
    If REVO wasnt so damn expensive (878.90 for map & select switch) I would just go for that as Ive had it twice before and it works no doubt.

    Bluefin is fantastic value on paper though.

    Watchin this one with much interest..........

    Cheers

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    Bluefin is great, in my opinion. I will have RR rusults next week so I will let you all know what it says.

    I still question if people have payed with the car in any other way when this map is designed for min 98 ron fuel, standard airfilter, DV and exhaust (including jamming open the flap on the exhaust).

    Who has had bad results form a Bluefin or GIAC with V-Power petrol and nothing else tampered with ?????
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    Where is any increase in power, in an S3, going to manifest itself?
    It's not going to show in 0-60mph, that's for sure, because thrust/gearing 'rules' are such that any increase in power won't have the chance to show itself.
    So it stands to reason it's only going to manifest itself at higher speeds.
    Which, it could be argued, is all a bit pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    I think Bluefin's a great idea, but I'm a 'proof' man.
    I'd need to see a before and after dyno run, to really accept it was making a difference.
    I wouldn't care if it felt faster, that's no good to me.
    Power delivery can moved around to make a car/bike feel faster, it doesn't mean it actually is.
    100% agree with that, i hate the idea off being ripped off/lied to/conned!

    When i take the plunge ( think it's wise to wait to see what the fuel pump upgrade mods put out ,i don't want have to pay for a remap twice if they decide to call it a stage 2 )

    I'll just book a rolling road run to get my before without them knowing i'm thinking of a remap , that way there not gonna fudge the before figures, then tell them to put a map on to see what it runs remapped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    Where is any increase in power, in an S3, going to manifest itself?
    It's not going to show in 0-60mph, that's for sure, because thrust/gearing 'rules' are such that any increase in power won't have the chance to show itself.
    So it stands to reason it's only going to manifest itself at higher speeds.
    Which, it could be argued, is all a bit pointless.
    It will show in the 0-60 times mate, you'll have more low down torque and be abale to hit 60 in second gear instead of having to change to 3rd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    It will show in the 0-60 times mate, you'll have more low down torque and be abale to hit 60 in second gear instead of having to change to 3rd!p
    What you talking, seriously?
    0.2 of second?
    You're not going to get a whole second out of it, no way.
    The differences will only come at much higher speeds, at which point bottle, legality and stupidity come into it.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not some holier-than-thou anti speed merchant.
    I just don't see the relevance in chipping an already pretty quick motor.
    If actual driveability/economy is improved as well though, that's another argument.
    Mind you, the world is full of people putting performance exhausts onto 180bhp motorbikes, so what do I know...
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    Ive not had mine mapped yet, but from what i can gather MPG will stay the same-ish due to the extra torque ( unless booting it everywhere )

    In gear will be a lot better due to the extra torque ( no need to change down as much )

    The car will be faster accross the rev range....do we need the S3 faster? yes why not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom View Post
    do we need the S3 faster? yes why not!
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    Yeah, if you notice the difference....
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    I've used, both, the Bluefin and GIAC's 330 Hammer maps on my 08 S3.

    Ultimately, with the Bluefin there is a definite improvement in mid range torque, and overall acceleration through the gears - Not MASSIVE, but it's there.

    The GIAC map, to me, provides a stronger and smoother drive, with a large (if not massive) performance increase.

    Bear in mind the differences between the two providers -

    SC change a very small area of the ECU, tweeking small bits here and there.
    GIAC re-write the whole system and seem to spend a great deal of time on researching what works best for your particular vehicle.

    True or false, I don't know, but many tuners have yet to see evidence of the Bluefin producing any more than 290bhp.

    Don't get me wrong, I have no allegiance to either of these companies. The only thing of interest to me is how well the car drives and on this occasion, the GIAC is way in front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RC View Post
    I've used, both, the Bluefin and GIAC's 330 Hammer maps on my 08 S3.

    Ultimately, with the Bluefin there is a definite improvement in mid range torque, and overall acceleration through the gears - Not MASSIVE, but it's there.

    The GIAC map, to me, provides a stronger and smoother drive, with a large (if not massive) performance increase.

    Bear in mind the differences between the two providers -

    SC change a very small area of the ECU, tweeking small bits here and there.
    GIAC re-write the whole system and seem to spend a great deal of time on researching what works best for your particular vehicle.

    True or false, I don't know, but many tuners have yet to see evidence of the Bluefin producing any more than 290bhp.

    Don't get me wrong, I have no allegiance to either of these companies. The only thing of interest to me is how well the car drives and on this occasion, the GIAC is way in front.

    R
    If your correct about bluefin not producing more than 290bhp then if your car is run on good fuel and putting out circa 280bhp/280lbtf std then your not gonna notice much of a difference.

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    The gains from a chipping an s3 are not worth the money IMO. Though the diesel is a different kettle of fish altogether

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    Bluefin offer a money back guarantee so get in touch if not happy and perhaps try GIAC as this seems to be the preferred route for the S3, I was more than happy and the power gains were evident straight away. With the 2.0T the correct fuel is really important even with the GIAC map on I could tell if I'd resorted to 97 ron with the car feeling less lively.
    Superchips have a dyno facility so it may be worth going to see them in bucks (MK18) and having some before and after runs before your money back guarantee expires they are usually very helpful and as suggested will have other files that may suit your car or requirements better.

    Jamie Turvey the technical director at Super/fin was talking to me the other week about the 2.0T fuel pump upgrade as they have been doing a lot of work with the VW cup race team and have now concluded its not required, they believe the 'fuel' starvation issue experienced by normal 2.0T owners is linked to alternate components that are uprated on the S3 so good news for the revised engine owners.

    I still remain to be convinced the standard S3 puts out 280bhp, Custom code/JBS have an ad running at the moment claiming far less than that as standard and these are also a respected tuner but which ever tuner you choose you should notice the difference almost immediatley even allowing for ECU adaptation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin140 View Post
    I still remain to be convinced the standard S3 puts out 280bhp, Custom code/JBS have an ad running at the moment claiming far less than that as standard and these are also a respected tuner but which ever tuner you choose you should notice the difference almost immediatley even allowing for ECU adaptation.
    Agree with everything else in your post Martain.

    You will only get near 280bhp if you run the car on good 99RON fuel and have been aggressive with the running in!

    If you run it in and drive like Miss Daisy and use 95RON fuel you'll be lucky to see book figures!

    EDIT!!!!

    Me and Mitch78 both use Tesco 99RON fuel.

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    Who told you that have to be aggressive with the car from new to get "book figures"?

    I agree with the philosophy of putting your foot down on a nice stretch of road every once in a while to clear its throat, but i have a hard time accepting that you need to be harsh with a new engine from the outset to get the best from it.

    I'd like to believe that nowadays engines are setup and run in at the factory so theyre pretty much settled when you take delivery.

    I hope so anyway... could be wrong.

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    Anyone gone for REVO Phase 1 then ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowfer View Post
    What you talking, seriously?
    0.2 of second?
    You're not going to get a whole second out of it, no way.
    The differences will only come at much higher speeds, at which point bottle, legality and stupidity come into it.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not some holier-than-thou anti speed merchant.
    I just don't see the relevance in chipping an already pretty quick motor.
    If actual driveability/economy is improved as well though, that's another argument.
    Mind you, the world is full of people putting performance exhausts onto 180bhp motorbikes, so what do I know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulAr View Post
    Anyone gone for REVO Phase 1 then ??
    I have Revo on my ED30 mate and it's a massive difference in my opinion..
    Revo do seem to come up trumps with the bhp and torque figures when tested and I had it on my LCR for a good 80k without a problem, so went with them again.. Mix it with the Milltek and you'll be looking at 320-330bhp no worries..
    But I agree that you sooo need to be running the right fuel and giving the car a mildly aggresive run in helps.. Has on my last three cars that I have had for nearly 100k each without any engine problems..


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    Quote Originally Posted by L60N View Post
    Who told you that have to be aggressive with the car from new to get "book figures"?

    I agree with the philosophy of putting your foot down on a nice stretch of road every once in a while to clear its throat, but i have a hard time accepting that you need to be harsh with a new engine from the outset to get the best from it.

    I'd like to believe that nowadays engines are setup and run in at the factory so theyre pretty much settled when you take delivery.

    I hope so anyway... could be wrong.
    Maybe aggressive was the wrong word to use, i'll rephrase it.

    Your more likely to get a faster engaine/car if you use 99RON fuel and run it in and continue to run it HARD ( not bouncing off the limiter )once fully up to temp, than if you use 95RON fuel and never go past 3k rev's!

    Common knowledge!

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    Had words with the SC boys today (very helpful) and am now about to download a more "aggressive" map. GRRRR! Guy did say it's not to everyone's taste though!

    Will go and have a play and let you know.

    Will try it back on stock too...

    PS Any S3 owners around Norwich on here fancy a comparative test? Think I've only ever seen two others round here!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by a3norwich View Post
    Had words with the SC boys today (very helpful) and am now about to download a more "aggressive" map. GRRRR! Guy did say it's not to everyone's taste though!

    Will go and have a play and let you know.

    Will try it back on stock too...
    Nice one mate , let us know how it is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vtec Abuser View Post
    I have Revo on my ED30 mate and it's a massive difference in my opinion..
    Revo do seem to come up trumps with the bhp and torque figures when tested and I had it on my LCR for a good 80k without a problem, so went with them again.. Mix it with the Milltek and you'll be looking at 320-330bhp no worries..
    But I agree that you sooo need to be running the right fuel and giving the car a mildly aggresive run in helps.. Has on my last three cars that I have had for nearly 100k each without any engine problems..
    Cheers, I had the same `massive` difference on my 200PS Gti with REVO. It really was THAT good. Very aggrssive too with Boost set on 7.

    So is it fair to say that the ED30 and S3 lump is sufficently similar to yield the same kind of increases ?

    If REVO wasnt so flamin expensive I would have it again no doubt about it.

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    ***Update***

    Bit more go, but sadly not the wow, put a big grin on your face, factor. Now programming stock to compare before final decision...

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    I noticed mine as soon as i drove the car after being flashed, most noticable was when you could drfive around in 6th gear for pretty much the whole journey!!

 

 
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