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    I'm the proud owner of an '07 A3 2.0l TDI 170 s-line S TRONIC and was wandering if anyone has tried 'Launch control'??
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    Is that where you have your foot on the brake, floor it, take foot off brake and off you go? I havent tried it myself but a guy here at work test drove a 3.2Q TT and he said that no many cars would be able to keep up with it off the line so guessing its quite impressive!

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    That's the one! I haven't had the balls to do it to mine! I've heard some where that it affects the warrenty if done more than three times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a3mad View Post
    That's the one! I haven't had the balls to do it to mine! I've heard some where that it affects the warrenty if done more than three times?
    mmmm - not sure about that! how would they tell - besides, its in the manual!

    never tried it and dont think i ever will in my car - maybe next time i get a loaner from the deal.

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    The manual says 6 cylinder engine only. I've tried it in my 3.2, It does launch pretty quick although with a slight delay.

    As Mitch says, I Don't see how it could invalidate the warranty though. It would be a bit silly writing a specific program for it, documenting it in the manual and then refusing a claim on the strength of it!
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    Yeh see what you mean. Did you have the traction control off? And was it any quicker than just planting your foot to the floor at standstill?
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    Yeah seemed pretty quick.
    ESP off, put into S and hold the brake with your left foot, the car will then only rev to 3k revs, let the footbrake off slight pause............ then off she goes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3.2 Ju View Post
    Yeah seemed pretty quick.
    ESP off, put into S and hold the brake with your left foot, the car will then only rev to 3k revs, let the footbrake off slight pause............ then off she goes!
    Watch your revs if it goes forward very slightly then shoots off that is not launch control that's the DSG box trying to set off fast as you had put your foot down but just released the break. From what you are saying that is not launch control.

    The 3 launch control tries does invalidate your warranty...on a BMW M5 ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby View Post
    Watch your revs if it goes forward very slightly then shoots off that is not launch control that's the DSG box trying to set off fast as you had put your foot down but just released the break. From what you are saying that is not launch control.
    So you've read the manual then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3.2 Ju View Post
    So you've read the manual then?
    Manual? for launch control or the warranty?

    For launch control no I have not but you can watch the videos and see the guides online, the whole point of it is to set off quicker than usual. Surely you can tell that if it hits forward stops then blasts off you have not done it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby View Post
    Manual? for launch control or the warranty?

    For launch control no I have not but you can watch the videos and see the guides online, the whole point of it is to set off quicker than usual. Surely you can tell that if it hits forward stops then blasts off you have not done it right.
    Where can you see the videos?
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    The manual says 6 cylinder engine only.
    It my manual it just says "Applies to vehicles with S-tronic gearbox"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby View Post
    Manual? for launch control or the warranty?

    For launch control no I have not but you can watch the videos and see the guides online, the whole point of it is to set off quicker than usual. Surely you can tell that if it hits forward stops then blasts off you have not done it right.
    I never said it goes forward stops then goes!! What I mean is that when you release the brake there's a slight pause before the car accelerates

    Quote Originally Posted by h5djr
    It my manual it just says "Applies to vehicles with S-tronic gearbox"
    Mines an 05 plate, so maybe they introduced it across the range later on
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3.2 Ju View Post
    I never said it goes forward stops then goes!! What I mean is that when you release the brake there's a slight pause before the car accelerates
    You sure you know what launch control is? Check this as an example: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/au...rol/2396467336

    There should be no delay, that pause is because you are not doing a launch control.

    Watch this also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skhw349U6Bs notice there is no pause not even the slightest.

    Quote Originally Posted by a3mad View Post
    Where can you see the videos?
    Last I watched was a while back, as above are some links. Google and YouTube search for it.

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    Mine also has a launch control!

    1st gear, revs at 4000, kind of drop the clutch and off you go!!! lolol

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    Might try it out tomorrow a3mad when I normaly take my band mates to the local boozer after rehearsals.They always moan about how fast I drive so I might as well give them something to moan about!
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    1st gear, revs at 4000, kind of drop the clutch and off you go!!! lolol
    What's a clutch!!!!
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    According to University of Liverpool online dictionary, 18 results were found for the word clutch.... from those number 12 applies. As follows:

    12.Automotive, Machinery. a.a mechanism for readily engaging or disengaging a shaft with or from another shaft or rotating part. Compare coupling (def. 2a). b.a control, as a pedal, for operating this mechanism.


    I know DSG does not have clutch pedal... only joking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by h5djr View Post
    What's a clutch!!!!
    I think its something people do with straws

    Its also that thing that makes your left leg tense up during horrific traffic jams when your creeping foward for what seems an eternity!

    apart from hire cars,I havnt used a manual since I had a 205 1.9 gti!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch78 View Post
    Sorry, but you can't say that he doesn't know what he's talking about when the closest you've got to trying it is a video on YouTube. He has the car, has read the instructions and tried it out. And going by those videos, you can't tell whether there's a delay or not. You can't see when they release the brake pedal. Oh, and there is a slight pause at 3,000rpm, the limit imposed by the launch control.
    Ease up. I have actually tried it afaik it does not work in the 2.0 TDI but it does in the 3.2. I am not saying he does not know what he is talking about, merely stating that it does not have a delay, watch the a3 video; the speedometer and the revs shows you no delay.

    Watch it again there is no slight pause. His foot is on the break and the rev then he releases it.

    I own a TDI DSG and have had the DSG V6 for a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitch78 View Post
    OK, I've read what I typed and sorry, I didn't mean it to come across quite as harsh as it did!


    I've looked at the vids though, and unless you can actually see the person stepping off the brake, I don't see how you can say that there's no delay.
    Haha it's ok, I was not calling him a liar or anything just checking incase he is mistaken!

    I know what you are saying, its just in my experience it usually just shoots off and gets you to 60 a bit faster, which is why I could not understand the delay.

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    I've got a 170tdi s-tronic - and it does indeed have launch control and does work very well - don't be afraid to try it - it isn't as aggressive as you think (or not as aggressive as revving to 5k in a manual and dropping the clutch) It sits the revs at 2000 then when you release the breaks brings the clutch out quickly but progressively allowing the torque to build progressively also. It also works in manual mode. Its quite good, if you time the gear changes right you can pull off and merge 1,2, and 3 almost into one continuous 'gear' with seemless acceleration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby View Post
    You sure you know what launch control is? Check this as an example: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/au...rol/2396467336

    There should be no delay, that pause is because you are not doing a launch control.
    Of course I know what launch control is!. I am doing it right and yes there is a delay. Most people accept there is a delay when setting of quickly with the dsg box. So it's not a surprise that it's also there with launch control.

    I'm not saying theres time to read the first chapter of War and Peace, but there is a definite delay between taking the foot of the brake pedal and the car setting off
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    Thanks for the info guys, I now have the confidence to try it
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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby View Post
    You sure you know what launch control is? Check this as an example: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/au...rol/2396467336

    There should be no delay, that pause is because you are not doing a launch control.

    Watch this also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skhw349U6Bs notice there is no pause not even the slightest.

    Last I watched was a while back, as above are some links. Google and YouTube search for it.


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    Sounds like a supercharger to me.

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    ive tried the launch control a few times, its crud on a fwd car with stronic.

    this is what i do, turn esp off. select "s", keep foot on brake. foot down on the accel. peddle. car will hold revs at a forgotten limit. when ready release brake and then you have a pause, nothing happens, the car takes a while to think, "i know im in launch control" mode and then you get loads of wheel spin, and then you shoot off. the pause and wheel spin actually slows the launch on a fwd car, dont bother, you're better off feathering the accel. peddle and then flooring it.

    i read somewhere that you dont get the pause if your car cant do launch control, it will try to move forward when your foot is on the brake, obviously this is not good for the car. i have an 06 model and it has launch.

    im sure launch is a lot better on "q" audis however the pause is frustrating esp. when at the lights, hm hm.
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    Like I said, you DO get a pause!!
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    That's what I was talking about, that is not launch control. You either did not do it right or it does not have it. The whole purpose of launch control is to 'launch' forward ie. in a race. The pause is there because the box is confused, that is not launch control.

    Here, it is best shown in a M5:

    http://videos.streetfire.net/video/B...trol_27290.htm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XiUK...eature=related

    Anyway, don't mess about trying it and end up smashing into a wall or something it is nothing special.

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    But it IS Audi Launch control, maybe not what you would consider usefull, but how it is documented in the manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3.2 Ju View Post
    But it IS Audi Launch control, maybe not what you would consider usefull, but how it is documented in the manual.
    'The launch control programme enables maximum acceleration'

    Notice the bit that says: 'optimum acceleration when starting from a standstill' :P

    So you must be doing it wrong. Here is an R32 example:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=zd2zCQAr5GA

    As you can see there is no pause because its designed to make you set off faster, the pause is because the car does not have it or you are not doing it right.

    Don't always believe the manual, it may be that you have to go higher than 3.2k revs.

    My A3 has tyre, brake and oil indicators, I would not trust them because my tyres have been low, oil was low and my brake pads needed changing. All of which nothing came up when they were low as the manual said it would.

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    Of all the videos of the dsg equipped cars that you've posted, not one of them show the foot pedal, if you did you would be able to tell the pause is there. Mine launches exactly the same as all of them. You might say that it's not what you would call launch control, fair enough, but it's what Audi built into their dsg system.

    If you want to disagree then that's fine, but to say that I'm doing it wrong when you haven't tried it and haven't read the manual then how can you comment. Read it, try it and then pass judgment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3.2 Ju View Post
    Of all the videos of the dsg equipped cars that you've posted, not one of them show the foot pedal, if you did you would be able to tell the pause is there. Mine launches exactly the same as all of them. You might say that it's not what you would call launch control, fair enough, but it's what Audi built into their dsg system.

    If you want to disagree then that's fine, but to say that I'm doing it wrong when you haven't tried it and haven't read the manual then how can you comment. Read it, try it and then pass judgment.
    I have :P That's why I know what you're on about with the pause. You don't need to see the pedal, only the fact it does not pause or jerk forward slightly.

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    It's only the DSG initial pause, does it in all modes when standing still and you release the brake.

    It is a fundimental feature so I'd also expect it to be there in Launch Control mode (I can't test it as my 05 doesn't have launch control).

    So once the car is moving using the launch control, you won't see any pause. So unless the camera is showing when the foot brake is released, you won't see the slight delay before it starts to move.

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    why do you keep mentioning an bmw? and cars rolling forward that was your addition.
    an audi with a dsg box is not a bmw m5.

    some cars have launch some dont. it depends on the year and model. its not as clear cut as what one manual states. manuals vary in the wording about launch control and some cars have a manual that contradicts.

    how do we know we are doing it right, because there is only one way to do it and it aint rocket science. the slight pause is just that slight, but noticeable as gti jazz blue states its the dsg box. the revs dont drop off during this pause.

    if you dont have it i dont know how you can comment. watching youtube clips is not the same as sitting behind the wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodo View Post
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    why do you keep mentioning an bmw? and cars rolling forward that was your addition.
    an audi with a dsg box is not a bmw m5.

    some cars have launch some dont. it depends on the year and model. its not as clear cut as what one manual states. manuals vary in the wording about launch control and some cars have a manual that contradicts.

    how do we know we are doing it right, because there is only one way to do it and it aint rocket science. the slight pause is just that slight, but noticeable as gti jazz blue states its the dsg box. the revs dont drop off during this pause.

    if you dont have it i dont know how you can comment. watching youtube clips is not the same as sitting behind the wheel.
    Alright lets nip this in the bud - despite already saying it: I DO HAVE A MANUAL AND I DO HAVE AN A3, I HAVE ALSO TRIED IT That understandable? Do you really think I would comment on it if I had not tried/know about it? lol.

    Right, I was merely illustrating examples and that launch control on any car shares the same thing: it sets off with force.

    Something key that you have mentioned though is the revs do not drop during the pause, if it does you have not done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby View Post
    Something key that you have mentioned though is the revs do not drop during the pause, if it does you have not done it.
    Correct the revs do not drop off and it doesn't jerk forward slightly either

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    Don't always believe the manual, it may be that you have to go higher than 3.2k revs.
    So what do you set the revs at then?
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