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    Wheelspin in remapped 2.0 TDi!!

    Since getting my 2.0 TDi remapped I've been finding wheelspin to be a real problem! If there's so much as a hint of dampness in the air then without really trying the traction control is on in 1st, 2nd and 3rd!

    Turning off the traction control seems to actually help as it cuts in so early on these, but still traction is a problem.

    I'm starting to wonder if maybe my front tyres are resulting in such poor traction (turns out they are branded "Linglong" which doesn't inspire me with much confidence..)

    Do other people really struggle for traction in remapped 2.0 TDi 140's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petem95
    turns out they are branded "Linglong" which doesn't inspire me with much confidence..)
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    Try to be lighter with your right foot I had the same problem with my 170tdi in 1st and 2nd on anything other than dry road surface.
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    Its more effective turning the traction control off and feeding the power in not so aggressively. The traction control makes it judder horribly and it doesn't take much to make it cut in.

    Your tyres dont sound like they are helping either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt
    Its more effective turning the traction control off and feeding the power in not so aggressively. The traction control makes it judder horribly and it doesn't take much to make it cut in.
    Hear hear.
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    You know what you need? You need new LingLongs on the front. That's what you need


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    My MK5 Golf was the same after a remap

    The only way i found around it was ease off in the lower gears when it was damp/greasy
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    ...what you really need is 'quattro'

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    Sounds like there's not a lot that can be done then! I think I'll ditch the Linglong's and get some P-zero's to match the rears and hope that improves things a bit!

    Quattro would certainly be the answer, but that does really kane the average MPG!
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    too be honest even a standard 140tdi is more than willing to light up the fronts during the initial torque 'explosion', this problem is only going to get worse as power/torque increases

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    I have the P ZERO Rosso's, not a remapped TDI though. There is wheelspin when you slam your foot down, just like in any car. When it is wet you just apply about 3/4 of your foot to the rev then slam down completly at about 10mph, it avoids wheelspin.

    Weather impacts wheelspin possibilities on all cars.

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    some tyres are definitely better in the damp/wet without losing anything in the dry either - try
    goodyear gsd3 or the new f1 asymmetric
    michelin ps2
    vredestein ultrac sessanta
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    TT-RS 410hp revo
    Fiat 500 1.3 tdi 120hp
    A3 8P 2.0tdi 240hp Autograph Cars
    RS4 B5 520hp MTM
    S3 8L 345hp MTM
    Volvo 850 T5 300hp BSR
    Fiat Punto GT 130hp
    Lancia Delta Turbo 185hp
    Lancia Beta Coupe 122hp
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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby
    I have the P ZERO Rosso's, not a remapped TDI though.
    out of interest how do you rate them?

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    When I got the car from new it had them so I kept with them to avoid any mishaps.

    They lasted quite a while even with wheel spin, the grip is very good on them for a fwd car. They cost 130 each though which is annoying, I will be looking at bridgestones/michelin next but thats not due for about 12,000 miles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sibby
    I have the P ZERO Rosso's, not a remapped TDI though. There is wheelspin when you slam your foot down, just like in any car. When it is wet you just apply about 3/4 of your foot to the rev then slam down completly at about 10mph, it avoids wheelspin.

    Weather impacts wheelspin possibilities on all cars.
    I have an un-tuned TDI140 with Michelin Pilot Sports all round. Agreed that in anything other than a dry road you need to be gentle with acceleration in 1st & 2nd, but 10mph isn't necessarily the limit for flooring it. When I was driving home from work today the road was a little damp but not cold (6.5 degrees) and at 30mph I floored it in 3rd and the traction control lit up like a Christmas tree, and I could feel it scrabbling for grip even on a straight flat piece of road.


    My first mod is going to be a DIY cambelt, waterpump and belts, followed by an oil change and all filters then an FMIC. Twinned with a custom built air-intake this should improve my fuel economy enough to justify a remap . That will make the issue worse I'm sure...


    Agreed, the only way to stop this is quattro - but my flatmate who has an 8L S3 has just as much traction issues in the wet - think he must have sh1t tyres, although even with all four wheels spinning it does launch the car down the road!!!

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    Out of interest have many folks with remapped TDI140's/TDI170's had them rolling roaded to find out their 'pub figures' ? Or done a RWYB to see their 0-60, 30-70, 40-90, or standing 1/4mile times are? Would be interesting to see how much time is saved from Audi's quoted times.

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    What remap you got?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleep envy
    out of interest how do you rate them?
    Pirelli Zeros

    I rate them as good for grip wet and dry.

    Good for comfort very pliant over bumps etc

    Wear rate poor I've put 2 new ones on front at 10,500 I will be putting contis on next time hoping rears which arn't too bad will last 21,000miles
    Then I'll change all 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbikez
    Pirelli Zeros

    I rate them as good for grip wet and dry.

    Good for comfort very pliant over bumps etc

    Wear rate poor I've put 2 new ones on front at 10,500 I will be putting contis on next time hoping rears which arn't too bad will last 21,000miles
    Then I'll change all 4.
    are these the only tyres you've tried on the car?

    (he asks ignoring the front/rear issue)

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    Yes they were OEM but I had contis on my previous A3 140tdi sport and got 32,000 miles out of them.
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    which do you prefer the P ZRs or Contis?

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    Gripwise, doubt you'll better F1's.
    They gripped like a refugee to the underside of a trailer.
    When they did spin though, they gave bad axle tramp (front wheels bounce and bang! bang! bang!...really unpleasant)
    My current Dunlop sportmaxxes are 95% as good, with a comfier ride and no axle tramp when they do spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleep envy
    which do you prefer the P ZRs or Contis?

    Contis as they grip well are pliant but wear much better than pirellis.
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