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    ESP default - can it be set to OFF?

    On an S3 (or any A3 for that matter I guess) , Is there any way to change the default setting , so that the ESP system is off by default instead of on by default.

    I find it quite intrusive at times and would rather it was off most of the time.
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    I'm not sure that it can. I've not seen any options in vagcom to set this up.


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    ok, thanks, guess I'll just get used to switching it off everytime I start the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julians
    On an S3 (or any A3 for that matter I guess) , Is there any way to change the default setting , so that the ESP system is off by default instead of on by default.

    I find it quite intrusive at times and would rather it was off most of the time.
    Ive tried to sort out the real issue, default disabling the EDS, which youre unable to disable even manually. The dealers and workshops dont even have the technical specs for these security systems.
    Cheif mechanic told me "-Audi in Germany dont provide us with information about how to disable active security features like EDS, ESP or ABS, even at our request we were denied."

    You could pull the fuse(s) for ESP/ABS but this will result in alot more than you wish for.

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    It is very crude in it's action.
    Audi should be looking at a purely ignition/ECU controlled T/C, or at least (like BMW) give you various settings.
    I switch mine off all the time too, but then you get the bloody warning light in your mush.
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    Whats EDS?

    I find the traction control the most intrusive at the moment, at least it feels like its traction control, its something cutting the power when I dont want it to.

    I can see something like the electronic diff lock being quite useful in most situation, if it genuinely does give an effect similar to a limited slip diff.

    I've never owned a car with any sort of traction control/stability system/any sort of electronic driver aids, and I'm finding it quite unnerving not being able to work out for myself how the car behaves under stress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julians
    I've never owned a car with any sort of traction control/stability system/any sort of electronic driver aids, and I'm finding it quite unnerving not being able to work out for myself how the car behaves under stress.
    I'm the same.
    My brain and foot will react to wheelspin/slides, but that just confuses the electronics even more.
    You end up with double the effect, which is really awful.
    The 'proper' way to use the electronics is, apparently, just to sit there with the throttle pinned and let the car sort itself out.
    I just cannot do it though, so I just suffer the big orange warning light in my face.
    My new car has three settings for traction, apparently.
    Normal, some sliding, loads of sliding.
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    In defense of EPS, I'd just like to comment that it is very effective on snow. My old 8L would spin its wheels like mad on snow, but the 8P EPS feels almost like my A4 quattro used to. It does a great job of preventing spin so that the wheels gradually gain traction.

    But I agree, that for the enthusiastic driver a variable Traction Control system is much better.
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    I think the problem is the ASR system ( or whatever they call traction control ! ).

    I've never had the ESP doing stuff in corners, in fact it seems pretty unobtrusive and lets you slide a fair amount before intervening.

    Problem is the ASR tries to brake wheels when pulling away from a standstill which hampers progress. When turned off the haldex does it's thing and even though you may get all 4 wheels spinning for a moment you get down the road a lot faster than with ASR.

    I'd like to be able to turn ASR off but leave ESP on as I'm sure ESP is useful if you need to swerve in an emergency. I remember watching fifth gear where Tiff Needel tried to swerve around something at 70 in a Jaguar, without the ESP even he couldn't catch it but with ESP the car was stable.

    It should be variable, especially on the S3 !!
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    I presume that the reason you cant selectively disable certain groups of features is because they all work together to provide ESP, so you cant have stability in corners without the traction control.

    I too have never had in cut in whilst cornering , its just when accelerating i'd rather just let the 4wd do its stuff, and then control the amount of slip myself using my right foot, rather than have the car suddenly kill all power and kangaroo down the road.

    I can achieve this by turning off the ESP, but currently I keep forgetting to do this, and as people have said there is a large yellow warning light on the dash all the time obscuring the radio/phone display which is irritating.

    I guess they have to allow for the lowest common denominator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s3mike
    I'd like to be able to turn ASR off but leave ESP on as I'm sure ESP is useful if you need to swerve in an emergency
    I'd probably go for that.
    I find all ASR/traction control options a pain, even in snow.
    In fact, I'm pretty sure the manual says you may make better progress in snow with it switched off, because some wheelspin can actually be beneficial.
    Might have been my previous A4 manual, I can't recall.
    I agree with that.
    Leaving ASR on in snow just makes the car jerk all over the place, where both wheels spinning smoothly is the better option.
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    I'm sure somebody said the TT had a two-stage switch which switched off ASR then ESP.

    We need that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by s3mike
    I'm sure somebody said the TT had a two-stage switch which switched off ASR then ESP.

    We need that!
    BMW used to have that - press the switch momentarily and it would turn off one, then hold it in to turn off the 2nd....
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    Quote Originally Posted by s3mike
    I'm sure somebody said the TT had a two-stage switch which switched off ASR then ESP.

    We need that!
    The mk2 TT does this. I had a play with it on the Audi Driving Experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnS3
    The mk2 TT does this. I had a play with it on the Audi Driving Experience.
    Most Audis have this feature. Especially the S/RS- ones.
    Press ESP = ESP off | Hold it for 4 secs = ESP/ASR off
    But also all other S/RS have torsen and not haldex.
    At first I couldnt believe that I was unable to deactivate ASR/EDS on my new S3.
    I never bothered to try this during test drives.
    Audi technicians at my dealer dont have access to control this feature on the S3 as its "hidden in deep in the factory settings for the car".
    I say that this is Audi bull****.. they know that disabling EDS would result in more stress on the drivetrain and mostly tires. Which would result in more warranty repairs etc.
    Hopefully some tuner will add as a feature with their ECU upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julians
    Whats EDS?

    I find the traction control the most intrusive at the moment, at least it feels like its traction control, its something cutting the power when I dont want it to.

    I can see something like the electronic diff lock being quite useful in most situation, if it genuinely does give an effect similar to a limited slip diff.

    I've never owned a car with any sort of traction control/stability system/any sort of electronic driver aids, and I'm finding it quite unnerving not being able to work out for myself how the car behaves under stress.
    EDS is what prevents you from drifting or doing doughnuts with your S3.
    EDS - Elektronische Differenzialsperre should be EDL in english.
    Electronic Differential Lock.
    Id say that most the complaints about the S3 not behaving as a "real 4WD" is due to the fact that youre unable to deactivate EDS.

    I managed to disable it once though, after reading in the owners manual that EDS uses the brakes to control wheelspin it automatically disables when the breaks reaches X degrees (not to overheat discs and the pads).

    After reading this I tried to overheat the breaks and went well*.
    Although I had to get a new set of tires after.
    Anyhow.. when you overheat the breaks DIS says "ESP ERROR - SEE OWNERS MANUAL"
    And the car works just as you want it to. No intervention from any system.
    Just pure power directly to the weels (haldex working as it was ment to).

    IMO the S3 have enough power to drift both on dry and wet asphalt.
    But Audi dont seem to want us to drift with our cars.
    At the same time showing drift testdrives at Nurnburgring with the new RS6, thats hypocrisy.


    *This was a really STUPID thing to do and I couldnt recomend anyone else trying. But I dont have respect for material things. To me its nothing more than a car and cars are ment to have fun with and to be wrecked sooner or later.
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    Nearly certain I've seen something in VAGCOM for ESP\ASR. Not sure what it was, but I've definitely seen something.

    I'll have a look again tomorrow to see if I can find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stockholm
    EDS is what prevents you from drifting or doing doughnuts with your S3.
    EDS - Elektronische Differenzialsperre should be EDL in english.
    Electronic Differential Lock.
    Id say that most the complaints about the S3 not behaving as a "real 4WD" is due to the fact that youre unable to deactivate EDS.

    I managed to disable it once though, after reading in the owners manual that EDS uses the brakes to control wheelspin it automatically disables when the breaks reaches X degrees (not to overheat discs and the pads).

    After reading this I tried to overheat the breaks and went well*.
    Although I had to get a new set of tires after.
    Anyhow.. when you overheat the breaks DIS says "ESP ERROR - SEE OWNERS MANUAL"
    And the car works just as you want it to. No intervention from any system.
    Just pure power directly to the weels (haldex working as it was ment to).

    IMO the S3 have enough power to drift both on dry and wet asphalt.
    But Audi dont seem to want us to drift with our cars.
    At the same time showing drift testdrives at Nurnburgring with the new RS6, thats hypocrisy.


    *This was a really STUPID thing to do and I couldnt recomend anyone else trying. But I dont have respect for material things. To me its nothing more than a car and cars are ment to have fun with and to be wrecked sooner or later.
    A nasty hack would be to fiddle with the brake temperature sensors then.

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    For the amount of money you pay for an S3 you could prolly get a really nice decent second hand Porsche that will do all of these things without even having to go near the fuse box or fcuk the breaks up....

    Infact, for the price of a Plasma TV and a good holiday you could get yourself an Evo 5 which would be loads of fun and not cost an arm and a leg to repair when you bin it into a roundabout/tree/bus shelter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unkle
    For the amount of money you pay for an S3 you could prolly get a really nice decent second hand Porsche that will do all of these things without even having to go near the fuse box or fcuk the breaks up....

    Infact, for the price of a Plasma TV and a good holiday you could get yourself an Evo 5 which would be loads of fun and not cost an arm and a leg to repair when you bin it into a roundabout/tree/bus shelter.

    IMHO.
    Company car man.. I couldnt pick an Evo 5.. or even a new Subaru.
    It has to look clean and representative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stockholm
    Most Audis have this feature. Especially the S/RS- ones.
    Press ESP = ESP off | Hold it for 4 secs = ESP/ASR off
    But also all other S/RS have torsen and not haldex.
    At first I couldnt believe that I was unable to deactivate ASR/EDS on my new S3.
    I never bothered to try this during test drives.
    Audi technicians at my dealer dont have access to control this feature on the S3 as its "hidden in deep in the factory settings for the car".
    I say that this is Audi bull****.. they know that disabling EDS would result in more stress on the drivetrain and mostly tires. Which would result in more warranty repairs etc.
    Hopefully some tuner will add as a feature with their ECU upgrade.

    Cheers
    The car we used was a 3.2 TT, throwing that around with the ESP/ASR turned off must put a similar level of stress into the components. This chassis also uses the same haldex system as the S3. Does anyone know if the ESP and ASR can be disabled seperately in the 2.0 TT? I'm unsure if the ECU in the 2.0 and 3.2 is the same, if it is then a bit flip with vagcom may be possible.


 

 

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