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    New S3 Video

    http://auto-presse.de/fahrberichte.php?newsid=13329

    Squeel-o-rama, would probably look good in your rear view mirror though
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    it even seems to squeel when its going in a straight line !!!!!!!!!!!

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    Notice the amount of body roll, and screeching tyres means it was under steering like a b*****d.

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    Does look good on the move though, and looks quick!!


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    thats kind of an underwhelming video. No dis at you mark88, but they could have really done better on that effort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leecs3
    Notice the amount of body roll, and screeching tyres means it was under steering like a b*****d.

    Doesnt look very promising does it.

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    It need The Stig to drive to it.

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    I remember watching the new R32 sqeal round the top gear track.

    I thought the new S3 looked very composed, trouble with videos they never do cars any justice its difficult to get a real perception of speed.

    We'll just have to wait for a proper review - though I still think it will be better than the old S3 though it remains to be seen how it will compete with the other new hot hatches

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    Seesm to be the same as what is said in Autocar: http://www.autocar.co.uk/FirstDrive_....asp?RT=222183
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    Looked a little bumpy through one of the curves. You can now configure an S3 on the Audi.de website. Looks like there is an option for 7.5 x 18 RS4 style wheels, at a cost... Perhaps only as an option for the German market.

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    Bit of a luke warm reception there!

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    I'll be honest, it's growing on me. And imagine it chipped...

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    With the 135ti no far behind I can see Audi dropping the price of the S3 by @ 1500

    As I guess the 135ti is going to be 29K basic, I know what I'd have

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    Looking at the roads on the video, I reckon you would have far more fun on two wheels....

    Car looks good though....
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    Seemed to change direction quickly though, and during the overtaking shots the engine response looked good - it took off quickly enough.

    As before though, I'll keep an open mind until EVO magazine have had a go behind the wheel.
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    unless you spend 3k on the bucket seats and flat bottom steering wheel the standard S3's interior is virtually identical to the S line Spec ed.

    the initial road tests of the car are also claiming that the engines quite laggy

    I can vouch for the fact that the standard 2.0tfsi isnt laggy at all infact its even more linear in delivery than standard when remapped to around the same power output as the S3

    I am prepared to bet a whole 10p :biggrin: that the S3 gets a right slatting in evo magazine just as the rest of the A3 range does.

    Giving the car a few extra bhp and some other minor tweaks isnt really going to make it anything other than a slightly faster version of the 2.0tfsi sline.
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    I'm totally missing whats so special about the interior??

    It is indeed identical to S-line interior except for:

    S3 logos
    White stitching on gear knob, hand brake
    Dials
    Ally look air vents
    Aly pedals

    Bucket seats and the flat bottom wheel SHOULD have been standard on this car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark88
    I'm totally missing whats so special about the interior??

    It is indeed identical to S-line interior except for:

    S3 logos
    White stitching on gear knob, hand brake
    Dials
    Ally look air vents
    Aly pedals

    Bucket seats and the flat bottom wheel SHOULD have been standard on this car.
    Exactly my point 30k minimum to even really distinguish the car from an Sline

    If I threw another 8k at my car which cost 22k new it would be a hell of a lot better than the S3 in every respect.

    I really dont see the point of the car its like Gareth Gates inoffensive easy going but a bit dull . What everybody wants in this sort of car isnt Gareth Gates its the Prodigy. Upfront and in your face .

    A missed opportunity for Audi to produce a proper hardcore drivers car that would have sold shedloads. I know I would have bought one

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    Quote Originally Posted by co55ie
    I am prepared to bet a whole 10p :biggrin: that the S3 gets a right slating in evo magazine just as the rest of the A3 range does.
    Don't be too hasty - EVO reckoned the RS4 was as good or better than the M3 which is really saying something. We've just got to hope that the S3 has come in for the same treatment. For what it's going to retail at, it'd better be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benw123
    Don't be too hasty - EVO reckoned the RS4 was as good or better than the M3 which is really saying something.
    It really is saying something that the RS4 is only as good as a now out of date soon to be replaced vehicle in this case the E46 M3. The RS4 should have blown the E46 M3 away not been nearly as good as. The Rs4 should have laid down the benchmark instead it got absolutely slaughtered by an FQ340 if Evo magazines reviews are anything to take heed of.

    My arguement is that if I spent 4.5k on my car that cost 22k it would absolutley blitz an S3 and still be cheaper than the base spec S3. The S3 owner would have to spend a similar amount of cash to bring the performance of their car in line with mine using pretty much the same components fair enough they may end up with a few more horses under the bonnet but not enough to make a huge difference certainly not 10ks worth of difference. So to me if you want a high performance A3 then the S3 isnt the answer.

    I would spend the 4.5k on the following 500 remap 800 turbo back exhaust combined giving around 270bhp. Haldex controller with in car adjustment 600
    KW or similar suspension 1000 and finally 1600 on some AP 6 pots . All of these items are simple bolt on modifications that can easily be reversed at any time and would certainly be worth more secondhand than speccing some bucket seat and steering wheel on your S3 when time comes to trade it in.
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    cant help but agree with all thats been said - audi seem to have screwed this one up...its been a long wait for this car (from this spec they could have given us this two years ago) i presumed they were delaying to get it right - new flared wheel arches, subtle but distinct design touches - real quattro with 60/40 split, sort the suspension and handling out, new seats/interior touches AS STANDARD - but guess what? none of the above.

    as said they could have give us this two years ago and be delivering an RS3 now instead of this lame effort.

    two years ago i plumped for a 3.2 because i couldnt wait - now it seems like a good choice, i'm loathed to get rid of it now for an extra couple of hp, and with mine currently specced with sat nav plus, TV bose - it would be an expensive task.

    ah well at least now i get to wait for an A5 coupe or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by co55ie
    Doesnt look very promising does it.
    Looked crap to me to be honest, looked slow, the car had roll oversteer which is not a good thing at all.
    Why are people raving about the std looking interior? I'll agree the seats are nice, but THATS it, the rest is S-Line std spec.
    I was really looking forward to the S3, and I'm THAT dissapointed I have just blown the S3 money changing my bike, I'll keep my 2.0T thank you.... mind you I'll have to now!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnmv55
    Why are people raving about the std looking interior? I'll agree the seats are nice, but THATS it, the rest is S-Line std spec.

    The introduction of s-line spec has devalued the once exclusive s cars imo

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    Well its funny as I agree with a lot of the comments about Audi, they really missed the mark, eve if we do get an RS3 350BHP animal, the S3 should be far better then the reports give it.

    I was in my local Audi garage today and i said I'm not about to place an order on a S3 until I try the demo. They expect to get their demo end of October. I did think as I was booting my current S3 around bristol today that it would be nice for a bit more go and that it does need bigger brakes, but turbo lag as well, now even i'm not so sure on the new model...

    The staff there had not read many of the reviews, is anyone in a car showroom a car nut? It seems not these days...

    I don't agree with the comments made earlier about the RS4 and the M3, if you wanted an M3 or that pefect balanced driving machine you would not be on this forum. I absolutely love quattro and the build quality, there are lots of roundabouts and bends to keep me happy for years... Steering feedback, well it is a little vague, but then its not a rear wheel drive BMW then is it...

    I have bookend an S4 accompanied test drive and a 2.0T S-line with DSG un accompanied booked for Monday morning. If I can't cope with the s-line suspension then the S3 will probably be off the shopping list, meanwhile the S4 is growing on me in spades and 30-32K gets me a very nice one and a V8 too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevec
    I don't agree with the comments made earlier about the RS4 and the M3, if you wanted an M3 or that pefect balanced driving machine you would not be on this forum.
    True, RS4 excepted, Audi still have a long way to go before they can create genuine drivers cars. But if you've got 25k+ to spend, you have such an enormous choice that crossover between marques and vehicle types is inevitable. Potential S3 buyers could easily pick up a three-year-old E46 M3 for this money.

    But it gets more confusing in this range because other brand new cars like the Honda S2000, Nissan 350Z, Mazda RX8 etc. all come into budget.
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    So what else would everyone buy for 30-32k? new or low mileage
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    Quote Originally Posted by co55ie
    It really is saying something that the RS4 is only as good as a now out of date soon to be replaced vehicle in this case the E46 M3. The RS4 should have blown the E46 M3 away not been nearly as good as. The Rs4 should have laid down the benchmark instead it got absolutely slaughtered by an FQ340 if Evo magazines reviews are anything to take heed of.

    My arguement is that if I spent 4.5k on my car that cost 22k it would absolutley blitz an S3 and still be cheaper than the base spec S3. The S3 owner would have to spend a similar amount of cash to bring the performance of their car in line with mine using pretty much the same components fair enough they may end up with a few more horses under the bonnet but not enough to make a huge difference certainly not 10ks worth of difference. So to me if you want a high performance A3 then the S3 isnt the answer.

    I would spend the 4.5k on the following 500 remap 800 turbo back exhaust combined giving around 270bhp. Haldex controller with in car adjustment 600
    KW or similar suspension 1000 and finally 1600 on some AP 6 pots . All of these items are simple bolt on modifications that can easily be reversed at any time and would certainly be worth more secondhand than speccing some bucket seat and steering wheel on your S3 when time comes to trade it in.
    Firstly you can't reply on Evo's opinion of a car. when I bought my R32 Evo had a long termer on the fleet. In the End of term issue for the R32 there was 3 or 4 articles which featured an R32. Guess what each one gave a different opinion.

    Personally I would rather make up my own mind about car by a test drive.

    Secondly the Rs4 is being compared to the M3, albeit the out going model, as it is the current bench mark. When the new one comes out I'm sure they will compare all the contenders against that.

    The Fq340 has slaughtered many cars of a higher price but your not comparing apples with apples. It is a rally special, while it is very fast after 6 months of hard use they are very tired (this is from the reports I have read not personal experience). All the money is spent on the engine/drive train. As an ownership prospect would you really pick an Evo over the latest RS4? Personally I woudln't.

    And lastly take a golf gti (mkIv or MKV) and spend a couple of grand on it and you have an R32 beater. Would it make it better than an R32? Not in my mind you'd still be driving an Gti. It will have lost all the additional money you have spent on it, will make it harder to shift on

    So mod up your 2.0T you may drive something quicker than a S3 but it wont be an S3.

    I do generally mod all my cars, different wheels, different susp, chip etc so my comments are from someone who just doesn't understand why people mod cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by co55ie
    It really is saying something that the RS4 is only as good as a now out of date soon to be replaced vehicle in this case the E46 M3. The RS4 should have blown the E46 M3 away not been nearly as good as. The Rs4 should have laid down the benchmark instead it got absolutely slaughtered by an FQ340 if Evo magazines reviews are anything to take heed of.

    My arguement is that if I spent 4.5k on my car that cost 22k it would absolutley blitz an S3 and still be cheaper than the base spec S3. The S3 owner would have to spend a similar amount of cash to bring the performance of their car in line with mine using pretty much the same components fair enough they may end up with a few more horses under the bonnet but not enough to make a huge difference certainly not 10ks worth of difference. So to me if you want a high performance A3 then the S3 isnt the answer.

    I would spend the 4.5k on the following 500 remap 800 turbo back exhaust combined giving around 270bhp. Haldex controller with in car adjustment 600
    KW or similar suspension 1000 and finally 1600 on some AP 6 pots . All of these items are simple bolt on modifications that can easily be reversed at any time and would certainly be worth more secondhand than speccing some bucket seat and steering wheel on your S3 when time comes to trade it in.
    Talking of AP 6 pots, are you sure they have the same kind of piston sealing as a "std" type calliper? the only AP 6 pots I have ever seen were on a race car (and TVR's?) but they didn't have the outer seal which I think would make them more prone in the winter with corrosion to the pistons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnmv55
    Talking of AP 6 pots, are you sure they have the same kind of piston sealing as a "std" type calliper? the only AP 6 pots I have ever seen were on a race car (and TVR's?) but they didn't have the outer seal which I think would make them more prone in the winter with corrosion to the pistons.
    Without the seals they do need servicing but just imagine the stopping power, although on something like an A3 I would say it would be over braked...
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    There's a review of the S3 in the Sunday Times today - conclusions:

    Wrong engine, nowhere near as good as the original S3.
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    There are two links for the same story, one is with the S3 facts, the other comparing the opposition, whic for some strange reason is the VW - should this not be the Merc and BMW? Anyway...

    http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...9-2338727.html

    and

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...5-2338303.html

    Oh dear...

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    The Z4 M coupe got slated also in the times, I'm still going to reserve judgement till its tested in the UK

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    So the bad reviews keep on comming, not good eh.

    Another video here http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...44427455&hl=en
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    Well, I'll probably test drive it when it gets here, but I just got back from a round trip to Glencoe over the weekend and I'm more than happy with my 2.0T quattro - I enjoyed the drive almost more than the holiday itself.

    I really don't see how the marginal improvements of the S3 would ever tempt someone who is looking for value for money/performance in their A3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnmv55
    Talking of AP 6 pots, are you sure they have the same kind of piston sealing as a "std" type calliper? the only AP 6 pots I have ever seen were on a race car (and TVR's?) but they didn't have the outer seal which I think would make them more prone in the winter with corrosion to the pistons.

    You can get AP 6 pots with correct seals for road use . The calipers they use accross the road range are just generic and all that really differs in the kits is the disc offset and mounting brackets

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    Quote Originally Posted by marriedblonde
    So mod up your 2.0T you may drive something quicker than a S3 but it wont be an S3.

    The example you gave of a golf Gti and an R32 is exactly what I am getting at they are chalk and cheese.

    On the other hand the S3 is just a very mildly modified 2.0t Sline and it wont ever be or cant ever be anything else .

    All of the mods needed to make the standard car better than an S3 are just simple bolt on affairs and exactly the same mods alot of owners will fit to their new S3's eventually the car could easily be put back to standard within a day and the mods sold on.

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    Mildly modified? Ok in that case the original r32 was only a mildly modified 4mo.

    So in that case I'll use the mkIV 4mo and the R32 if you like. Same thing you can mod the 4mo to be quicker than an R32, sort the suspension so it handles better etc but you'll still only be driving a 4mo.

    You seem to have completely missed the point of my post even though you quoted me! The S3 is an S3 you would just be a wanna be S3 driver.

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    Lol

    I grew out of badges about 20 years ago rather childish.

    Who cares what it says on the boot I dont for sure. What I am interested in is value for money and how the car goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by co55ie
    Lol

    I grew out of badges about 20 years ago rather childish.

    Who cares what it says on the boot I dont for sure. What I am interested in is value for money and how the car goes.
    why didnt you by the skoda then

 

 
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