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    How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Having done a quick search on here to find out how to replace a failed brake light bulb I saw Booster got his dealer to fit them free of charge.

    So, I called my dealer and said "if I come down can you fit it for me" and they said "yes sir, that will be be 24 to fit plus the price of the bulb (43p)"!

    Anyway, without any technical expertise and armed only with a screwdriver I replaced the bulb myself in 5mins flat!

    Based on this the Audi rate is 288ph for changing a light bulb.

    FYI, Halfords only charge 2.99 to fit bulbs but don't do the Audi because "It's too difficult"!

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Southampton Audi charged me 35 to fit a dash bulb once (during a service), before I realised what a bunch of overpriced monkeys they were. This is also a 10 minute job.
    I think it is because they only code the jobs in 30 minute intervals so you pay for at least half an hour regardless of the work involved.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    I think it because they are robbing twats that have no idea what 'good will' means

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    well that as well

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    You should never under-estimate the value of goodwill! It often delivers more business than the cost of the original work!

    I'm not saying I should have got this for free but 24 is quite steep for a 5 minute job.

    The service department told me it was quite a difficult job and that I really should bring it in and get it done professionally. It seemed very straight forward (and I'm a numpty!)

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

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    I think it is because they only code the jobs in 30 minute intervals so you pay for at least half an hour regardless of the work involved.

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    So next time you make them hop on one leg while singing "for he's a jolly good fellow" for the remaider of those 30 mins your paying for!

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    some dealers will charge for fitting it, some wont. Some will not even bother charging for the bulb either....

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    as part of a service bulbs are normally fitted free of charge!

    bulbs according to the elsa system are charged at 0.2lbr to fit, and yes they are done in a couple of mins, however a4s for instance on 52 reg cars need to have the headlight removed and the headlight level reset after bulb changing, alternatively you could take it to halford and they could put their greasy teenage fingerprints all over your halogen bulbs for you, at the end of the day the decision is up to you!

    at work today i fitted three bulbs, all were what we call "can you justs" which means no job cards raised, which also means i did not get paid for fitting them. 0.2 labour is twelve minutes which i think is fair, getting the car in removing the headlight (if necessary) changing bulb and checking. what do you guys think? is that an unfair time, or is it just the 9.60 ish that you are charged for 6 mins work.....?

    new A3 rear taillight bulbs are 0.4 on the computer but 0.2 is charged out incase anyone is interested,

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    If someone can't be a*sed to do something as simple as change a lightbulb, perhaps they deserve to be bolted up.
    Of course, if it involves something a bit more arkward like removing the dash to change an instrument bulb then I can understand but your average headlight, indicator or tail light is fairly straightforward.
    It's not rocket science is it?

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    I don't think it is unfair that garages charge for this service, my only concern was that I was to be charged 24 for a job that only took a technically inept numpty 5mins to complete.

    If I had been quoted 10 I may have gone for it as I can't really be bothered with getting my hands dirty. I guess you should expect to pay for lazyness!

    Maybe I got luckly but I'm surprised Audi estimate this as a 0.4 job.

    I may have a new career!.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    I took my astra company car into the dealers on two seperate occasions once for a new bulb 20 and once to have the remote re-coded which involved putting the key in the ignition turning it on and pressing the lock and unlock button 17 (I am sure they could have done that for free)

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    "as part of a service bulbs are normally fitted free of charge!"
    When I was still stupid enough to be using a dealer they never once did anything free of charge. My dash bulb was a job I asked them to do as the car was already in for a service, and I stupidly assumed it would be part of the ludicrously expensive 480 they charged me.
    Come on, Audi are still trying to get away with charging 3.80 for windsreen washer fluid.
    Or are you suggesting this is a difficult job and should only be tackled by a technician?
    Why they feel washer fluid is anything to do with a service is beyond me, afterall they don't fill your car up with petrol during a service, or even check tyre pressures, which is far more important.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    It would be nice if they did bulbs free of charge if you purchased it there, perhaps wiper blades too. Wonder how long aero wiper blades last?

    Foolish3uk:

    Are you able to shed any light on these similar issues?

    1) Why do some dealerships take longer to carry out the 1st AVS service than others and consequently charge a lot more when presumably the time is set by Audi?

    2) Do dealers object if you take your own oil as this seems to be a way to save costs as a member of Joe Public?

    3) Does the brake fluid change have to be done to keep the car in warranty? 2yrs seems very soon especially if you only do a low mileage.

    4) The screenwash at 3.80 is excessive. I've had dealers say it is part of the cost whether you have it or not, presumably you can say 'Don't refill and therefore don't charge me'?

    Thanks mate.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    That's my point, why are they fiddling with my washer fluid at all? Their valuable time could be better spent diagnosing problems correctly rather than fannying around with basic forecourt tasks. You don't tell them not to do it as it would never occur to anyone that they would. So I should also ask them not to put any fuel in, don't replace my air freshner, or my floor mats and don't fiddle with the bass on my HU?

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    if you book in for a service dont exspect any diagnostic checking undertaken other than interogating your fault memory and advising if further diagnosis is required, you would not go into woolworths and buy 1.00 worth of pick and mix and exspect them to give you another 20p worth free do you, or go to a solicitor and ask him to deal with a divorse and oh yeah deal with my mortgage deads free of charge while you doing that. everyone will have their own point of view about it!

    andymac has decided to go the specialist route, thats good for him i hope all goes well with them. but im sure they wont do things free of charge. my dealer does not charge for washer fluid it is put in free of charge, it does not appear on you bill it is all involved in the cost of labour. oh and for the smart people you cant go in and ask them to drop 1 off the price of your service, if you dont want it. audi do state lbr costs for services, although some dealers try it on a bit. lube service is 0.9lbr, annual and 20k is 1.9lbr, and 40k or any servie with plugs and air filter is 2.2lbr, it is mainly the labour rate that splits the dealers apart. longlife servicing is 2.0lbr and 2.2 if having all filters.
    rs4-rs6 etc.. have longer lbr times due to the extended times it takes to change sparkplugs,

    Lease companies who are typically tight, do pay 0.2 labour to change bulbs, if you dont like the price that dealers charge then there is normally instructions in the handbook on how to change them.

    taking the dash out to change a bulb is most definately not free of charge, i cant believe you think it should be, do you want everything done free of charge, actually dont answer that!!!!
    washer fluid is of course part of the service, you have to top it up so it is serviceable! andymac, im not going to start argueing with you as you always have a different opinion to me but you really should read the service schedule in the front of the service book that shows everything that should be checked and when, also ask for a copy of the service sheet after the service is complete, it shows what was checked and what service it had,

    Dealers are now refusing to fit items and oils that are supplied by customers, SPURIOUS PARTS is how my manager refers to it, we cannot guarentee the items we fit are in good condition and not tampered with, this makes a great insurance liability problem so we no longer do it, however if you jump and shout loud enough they may use the oil you supply if you can produce proof of purchase and it is in a sealed bottle. They are only protecting them selves as would any of you in their shoes!!!!

    Brake fluid is a hydroscopic fluid, that means that over a period of time the fluid absorbs amounts of water and air and lowers the boiling point of the fluid this makes the brakes spongey and less reactive, it is an audi recomendation every two years, lots of people seem to turn down this job but at the end of the day its the brakes on your car the MOST important part of the car, the multitronic gearboxes have got major clutch problems hence the change from six to seven disc clutches audi state that if the gearbox oil is not changed before 40,000 miles then the warranty on the whole gearbox is invalid, in theory brakes would be the same but i have never come accross any implications of brake fluid being the cause of any item failure AS YET! but what you need to think about is the the fluid at the end of the brake pipe nearest the caliper does not change very much and really could do with bleeding out, your decision at the end of the day.

    just tell them to put plain water in you washer bottle and sort out the fluid addative for yourself, I DO recommend that you use audi washer fluid though aftr seeing what some other manufacturer fluids can do to your system especially in TT fan washer jets, it simply is not thin enough!

    hope that answered some of your questions!

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Foolish,

    Do you mind if I ask you a simple question mate?

    Just wondering what the main benefits are for me to send my A3 to the main dealer rather than using the mechanic who works for us?

    Will I get anything extra by using the Audi service, obviously we can source the genuine parts from Audi as well at a discount.

    The car is booked in with Edinburgh next week.

    I dont mean this to be a cheeky question, Im just a bit interested to hear what you say as Im planning to use Audi until the warranty is up then allow our own mechanic to do it, because I know he is good.

    Cheers

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    there is no difference in my mind except one!

    the only difference is that i work on audi's every day all day, i know audi's any mechanic can work on a car also any non mechanic. its the same anywhere you go. if i were to service a BMW it is very possible that i might miss somthing that a bmw technician might find straight away, it is really experience and product knowledge.he would need a vag com or somthing to check fault memories!

    cheers andy

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Sorry to be pedantic but I wasn't expecting a dash bulb to be replaced free of charge and never said I did, my beef is that they charged me half an hours labour to do it, 35+VAT, when it took me (someone who doesn't work on Audi's everyday) 10 minutes. You obviously don't have to remove the dash, just 2 screws to release the instrument cluster.
    I don't think anyone is expecting Audi dealers to work free of charge it is just the lawyer/high class hooker rates they charge for labour makes the most simple task downright expensive.
    The VAG specialist I use only works on VW's & Audi's, uses OEM parts and all the VAG diagnostic kit. They charge reasonable street prices for parts and 40+VAT per hour. This equates to a saving on our 2 Audi's of 800 per year, just on services. To me the stamp in the book is irrelevant as anyone who has experienced a poor Audi dealer (pretty much any Audi owner) will know a good specialist stamp is actually a better indication of how well the car has been looked after.
    I'm not knocking the work you do foolish, there are good & bad dealerships in any franchise, it just seems Audi have lost the plot when it comes to quality control of their retail franchise.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    If they can only book work in 30 mins on the computer then you are going to pay that, just like a call out charge and then an hourly rate. It does not matter if they fix it in the first 60 seconds you pay call out and then the hourly rate.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Foolish3uk - thanks for the insight mate, very useful indeed.

    Just a quick follow up:

    I note you state longlife servicing is 2.0lbr and 2.2 if having all filters.

    Dave R and many other members always quote that the information on the Fleet Data spreadsheet on the Audi website for the A3 allows 1.10 hours for the 1st AVS service and 1.6 hours for the 2nd.

    Why does your dealer and many others charge more? Seems to be a common question among us all.

    Cheers mate.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    "If they can only book work in 30 mins on the computer then you are going to pay that, just like a call out charge and then an hourly rate. It does not matter if they fix it in the first 60 seconds you pay call out and then the hourly rate."
    Well looking at the info foolish posted it would seem they can book work in increments of 10 minutes so that doesn't make sense.
    Also the call out scenario is completely different as there is no call out, so no overhead, they were servicing the car anyway!

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Oh forget it - this is hardwork.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Changing the subject slightly, but still about bulbs. I have some Philips Vision Plus bulbs in my headlights and I've just ordered a pair of Philips Longlife bulbs from Power Bulbs. I am going on holiday to Switzerland and Austria in June and it is mandatory to have headlights on at all times in Austria and recommended in France, Germany and Switzerland so I thought perhaps the Longlifes would be a good idea.

    I think I'll change them myself as I put the existing Vision Plus bulbs in anyway. Should take no more than 10 minutes !

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    yoy are totally correct about the new labour times they only came in recently for the NEW A3, abd A4 they dont affect any of the ther models yet!

    you will probably find most dealers dont quote you that labour time so you need to let them know that you know the correct time if you see what i mean. what you also need to be aware of is that the new service sheets have become much shorter as well so not as much gets checked at the first service etc... they have done that to combat people complaining about the expencive service prices!

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Personally I think 250-300 every 18k miles is pretty reasonable to keep a 26k car on the road.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    FOOLISH3UK - so if I asked for a service quote at your dealership for a 1st AVS service on an A3 and it came back as 2hrs labour and I said the information on the Fleet Data spreadsheet on the Audi website for the A3 allows 1.10 hours for the 1st AVS service, what would your service department say and would they let me bring my own oil if it was brand new and sealed Castrol?

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    250-300 - no chance
    18 months not a hope in hell
    Get real....

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    yes they would charge you the 1.1 hours labour. although we have one knob head working for us that F??? everything up. dont we all have to have one of them. he seems to get all quotes wrong and funnily enough none of them have ever been in our favour.

    as mentioned before, if you can provide a reciept and sealed oil and put a bit of pressure on the service advisors then im sure you will get what you want! after all your paying them they should do somthing that you want!

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

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    250-300 - no chance
    18 months not a hope in hell
    Get real....

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    If that was in response to my post, I paid 249 for my first service at just over 18k miles.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    Well prepare yourself for slightly more at 36k and onwards.
    1. It's very rare to get up to 18k on an AVS interval, that's like the max you'll ever get so your driving style & journey type must be unusually intune with the parameters that effect the intervals.
    2. First service is always artificially light as you haven't got into brakes, brake fluid, Haldex (on quattros) etc etc yet.
    249 is still pretty expensive for a glorified oil change

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    FOOLISH - so at your dealership, is an A3 1st AVS quoted as 2hrs labour but dropped to 1.1 hrs if someone moans and mentions the Audi Spreadsheet or is it always quoted as 1.1hrs?

    Seems a lot of dealers quote more than the 1.1hrs for some reason.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

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    Well prepare yourself for slightly more at 36k and onwards.
    1. It's very rare to get up to 18k on an AVS interval, that's like the max you'll ever get so your driving style & journey type must be unusually intune with the parameters that effect the intervals.
    2. First service is always artificially light as you haven't got into brakes, brake fluid, Haldex (on quattros) etc etc yet.
    249 is still pretty expensive for a glorified oil change

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    Quite possibly, I do a mainly motorway miles comute. Second AVS is still predicted as 8k miles time @ 36k miles. Most people have had quotes of approx 250-300 when speaking to dealers, although some jokers are trying to charge up to 400.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    18k seems quite normal for the first AVS service for other forum members as well. On my previous A3 all my AVS services have been at around 18-19k intervals. I have kept them an average 3 years and 48-50,000 miles and never had to change any brake pads, only brake fluid at 2 years. My 1st AVS on my current A3 was at 18,500. Why buy an 20-25,000 car and then skip on servicing. An article I read recently said service stamps at the required intervals by a Audi dealer was worth several hundred pounds when you come to sell. Especially if you buy and have all the servicing done by the same dealer. I've always got what I consider a good trade-in value.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    To be honest, I've never quite believed that a manufacturers FSH will put more money on the car than going to a reputable indie would save.

    However.....

    I choose to go back to Audi as the dealer I go to isn't hugely expensive, it's a new(ish) car so I want it looked after by the aleged professionals & I like the extras like collect from home/courtesy car etc.

    you pays yer money...

    Oh, and I asked Fontain for a quote for my first AVS and it was exactly the same as my stealer.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    50k miles and still on the original brake pads? You're just not trying
    Still on original tyres as well?
    If the car is new and still under 3 year warranty then I'd always go to a dealer, but after 3 years it's just good money after bad.
    FASH worth several hundred pounds? Even if that's true, which it isn't, then you can save more than several hundred pounds going to a speacialist. Afterall that equates to only several hours labour from a dealer.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    No not still on the original tyres - usually have to change those around 25k. Perhaps I'm good at anticipating rather than waiting until the last minute and slaming on the brakes ! A lot of my driving is done around the 85-90mph except when I'm driving in Germany when it's closer to 110-120mph on the autobahn. I must say that often when I'm driving I see brake lights coming on in front and just take my foot of the throttle. Some drivers seem to have to have the foot hard on either the throttle or the brake and not much in between. I followed a car today and his brake lights were constantly coming on and I never needed to apply mine at all.

    You may or may not be right about not going to a dealer after 3 years but as I generally change mine every 3 years I always prefer to stick with the dealer.

    The article actually mention a sum around 500 for the FASH so that about covers both the basic AVS services. I normally change before the 3rd one is due.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    The brake light junkies tend to be driving automatics, or they're just morons. Really annoys me on the motorway when some idiot in front is constantly on the anchors, but doesn't actually slow down. Enough people doing that = pileup
    Why they haven't introduced multi part brake lights to give you an indication of how hard the driver in front is braking.
    I heard an article about these on the radio with a guy trying to get them approved by the main manufacturers and some knob from Dept of transport saying they would be "too confusing for the average driver". Quite unbelievable

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    IIRC the new BMW 7-Series has 2 extra brake lights which come on if the car senses that the driver is braking hard.

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    so all the time then

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    Re: How much does it cost to change a light bulb?

    true, so very true. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bang.gif[/img]

 

 
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