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    What's needed for stage 3 on s3 8p

    Hi guys I'm stage 2 plus already just wondering what's need for stage 3 ??

    any help would be appreciated !

    thanks nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by katenick View Post
    Hi guys I'm stage 2 plus already just wondering what's need for stage 3 ??

    any help would be appreciated !

    thanks nick
    Have a read through my build thread and that will give you a stage by stage breakdown of what's required and a rough idea of costs.

    It's a bit if a read but if you have any questions I'm happy to help.

    As a starter you will need a big turbo kit which will run to £5-7k and you need to ensure you've done the brakes and suspension first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3Alex View Post
    Have a read through my build thread and that will give you a stage by stage breakdown of what's required and a rough idea of costs.

    It's a bit if a read but if you have any questions I'm happy to help.

    As a starter you will need a big turbo kit which will run to £5-7k and you need to ensure you've done the brakes and suspension first.
    unless he means Shark stage 3 which is stage 2+

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    After stage 2, the whole stage thing is clutching at straws. What do you want from your car is the question? My next ugrade would be larger injectors and a Loba 400 turbo,

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    Would like to see 400 if poss ?

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    Then you need the turbo and injectors

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    Is that it ? No need to forge it ? Any recommendation on turbo ? Also what injectors and who to map ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katenick View Post
    Is that it ? No need to forge it ? Any recommendation on turbo ? Also what injectors and who to map ?
    No need for forged internals up to around 440lbs torque.

    Loba is good for around 400-440bhp

    GTX2876 is good for around 440-480bhp and anything else you need a lot of work and you'll see anywhere up to 500bhp+.

    Mapping....I used Revo but APR and GIAC also map to this level although with APR you will need their kit,and Rick,Shark and others may do as well.

    Have a trawl through my thread and any other BT threads here and be sure to choose someone who knows what they're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. View Post
    After stage 2, the whole stage thing is clutching at straws. What do you want from your car is the question? My next ugrade would be larger injectors and a Loba 400 turbo,

    Rick
    Nicely put.

    What its called doesn't matter,but what does matter is choosing the exact spec and what you require now,and in the future,as we all want more!

    The Loba is a very good 400+bhp choice,but if you eventually want more,it would be limited,but it will take you as far as you can go without an engine rebuild.

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    Just to clarify for the OP, there is a LO400 and a LO4xx turbo by Loba - the second one requires injectors and can make upwards of 400 depending on other components. The LO400 is a rework of the std K04 and can just about make 400 but has a better spool than OEM. Depends what you want, power or drivability. Alex, where does the torque peak on your turbo?

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    For a genuine 400 you need injectors unless you want to run it at lambda 0.95 which isn't a good idea for road engine that you want to last!

    Unless you are going to pull it apart, I'd go for the L0400 turbo. It needs a lot of mapping time to get spot on, which we are very capable of doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nluk100 View Post
    Just to clarify for the OP, there is a LO400 and a LO4xx turbo by Loba - the second one requires injectors and can make upwards of 400 depending on other components. The LO400 is a rework of the std K04 and can just about make 400 but has a better spool than OEM. Depends what you want, power or drivability. Alex, where does the torque peak on your turbo?
    Peak torque on mine is around 4000 rpm if I remember and pretty flat to over 6000.

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    Where can I get a turbo and injectors from. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katenick View Post
    Where can I get a turbo and injectors from. ?
    Depends on where you are in the country for who you'd choose.

    You need a good tuner who knows what he's doing as this isn't exactly a plug and play type of job.

    If it isn't done properly you can end up with a scrapped engine.

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    I'm considering going stage 3 next year. However only looking to get it up to 420-430. Is the Loba turbo going to be enough and fairly hassle free to fit? Will I need to upgrade dsg clutch too or only remap it?
    Be patient. English is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDejavu View Post
    I'm considering going stage 3 next year. However only looking to get it up to 420-430. Is the Loba turbo going to be enough and fairly hassle free to fit? Will I need to upgrade dsg clutch too or only remap it?
    The LO4xx would certainly get you that sort of power.

    It's a relatively easy fit compared to something like mine but as Rick says it needs careful mapping.

    The DSG will need mapping for the extra torque but generally you do not need an uprated clutch pack until you go beyond 440lbs torque

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    Perfect is revo software capable to work with this type of turbo?
    Be patient. English is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDejavu View Post
    Perfect is revo software capable to work with this type of turbo?
    Best to contact Revo Kev for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3Alex View Post
    Best to contact Revo Kev for that.
    Revo Kev - eurosupport@revotechnik.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by katenick View Post
    Where can I get a turbo and injectors from. ?
    I can supply the turbo, injectors either second hand or get them from Audi/TPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. View Post
    I can supply the turbo, injectors either second hand or get them from Audi/TPS.

    Rick
    great stuff. Can you pm me a price both new and second for turbo and injectors please. Plus is this turbo and injectors off another Audi model ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by katenick View Post
    great stuff. Can you pm me a price both new and second for turbo and injectors please. Plus is this turbo and injectors off another Audi model ?
    The injectors are from the RS4..... Higher flow max than the S3 injectors although some are using Golf R injectors also.

    Loba turbos are very well made hybrid type turbos and offer a much higher flow than the stock turbo.

 

 

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