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    Quote Originally Posted by turbonutz View Post
    What does CEL possible/unlikely mean?
    Engine light in other words. Basically means 'wrong mixture' if it comes on, and your either running too lean or rich.

    Closer to 0% the better.
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    Ahhh right duuhh lol noob here. A take it at that stage you be wanting to upgrade fuel pump then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbonutz View Post
    Ahhh right duuhh lol noob here. A take it at that stage you be wanting to upgrade fuel pump then?
    Its not necessarily down to how much pressure you've got, you might run rich and have too much fuel, not enough air. That could be faulty MAF or a leak.

    Usually though yes, at the point where fuel requested and fuel actual start to drift apart, you'll miss fire and need more fuel-air ratio. to stop the car from running too lean.

    Or you could tame the map...
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    Ahhh interesting to know for future. Still a bit away from that stage of the game haha

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    I've just fitted this kit today, but I didn't have the right sized socket for the bolts that you use to fit the heat shield.

    I was just keen to know that this should be ok without the heat shield to run for a little bit?

    I need to use the car to get the socket for the bolts.

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    Exactly the same,down to the fittings.

    It seems to work well,and was one I wanted to try,but currently I can only use the adapted ITG I have on mine,as it's the only one that fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NME View Post
    I've just fitted this kit today, but I didn't have the right sized socket for the bolts that you use to fit the heat shield.

    I was just keen to know that this should be ok without the heat shield to run for a little bit?

    I need to use the car to get the socket for the bolts.
    Yeah sure it will be fine mate.

    Umm just use M8 (i think it was!) bolts, screw from underneath, couple of suitable washers and nylocks and tighten. Should just be 10mm socket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post
    Yeah sure it will be fine mate.

    Umm just use M8 (i think it was!) bolts, screw from underneath, couple of suitable washers and nylocks and tighten. Should just be 10mm socket.
    Is this how you removed the plastic toothed nuts that are in already? Did you destroy the plastic ones in the process?

    So you just replaced them with some M8 bolts? I thought you had from looking at your first picture, but couldn't be sure.

    It feels quicker already, waiting on my shark map to arrive, but it looks like Monday before it gets sent back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NME View Post
    Is this how you removed the plastic toothed nuts that are in already? Did you destroy the plastic ones in the process?

    So you just replaced them with some M8 bolts? I thought you had from looking at your first picture, but couldn't be sure.

    It feels quicker already, waiting on my shark map to arrive, but it looks like Monday before it gets sent back!
    Removing those 'jagged plastic things' <----(technical term right there) is VERY deceptive!!

    The front two simply unscrew, so you'd think the same for the rear 2. Incorrect.

    Theres a 10mm nut underneath to undo for each one. Then they will simply unscrew.

    I found this out the hard way by destroying mine , but easily replaced if i went back to standard.

    Then just replaced with proper nuts and bolts as you can do them up much tighter, which is important, as heat shields can rattle if not done up well.

    I used fairly large washers and stepped down to a smaller one to spread the load better.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post
    Removing those 'jagged plastic things' <----(technical term right there) is VERY deceptive!!

    The front two simply unscrew, so you'd think the same for the rear 2. Incorrect.

    Theres a 10mm nut underneath to undo for each one. Then they will simply unscrew.

    I found this out the hard way by destroying mine , but easily replaced if i went back to standard.

    Then just replaced with proper nuts and bolts as you can do them up much tighter, which is important, as heat shields can rattle if not done up well.

    I used fairly large washers and stepped down to a smaller one to spread the load better.

    Hope this helps.
    Right, so do they unscrew by hand easily once the nut has been removed- cancelling out the need to find a socket to fit over the jagged plastic things?

    Cheers buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NME View Post
    Right, so do they unscrew by hand easily once the nut has been removed- cancelling out the need to find a socket to fit over the jagged plastic things?

    Cheers buddy.
    Yes they aren't hard to get off once you've undone the nuts.

    Some big pliers just to get the turn started. WD40 perhaps if its a little stiff, just avoid over spray on the manifold, else you may be smokin' a little when warm until it burns off!

    You do not need a socket, not even sure there is one for it in say Halfrauds? But either way, a pointless purchase when you'll no doubt have pliers.

    I'll fit it for you if your close, be happy to talk 8P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post
    Yes they aren't hard to get off once you've undone the nuts.

    Some big pliers just to get the turn started. WD40 perhaps if its a little stiff, just avoid over spray on the manifold, else you may be smokin' a little when warm until it burns off!

    You do not need a socket, not even sure there is one for it in say Halfrauds? But either way, a pointless purchase when you'll no doubt have pliers.

    I'll fit it for you if your close, be happy to talk 8P.
    Right - first off - you are a legend sir!

    I rang Matt earlier ( I think I woke him up to be fair ), and he said I needed an oversized socket to get them off. Many trips to my local tool outlet and even one to Halfords - I found you can't get a 26mm socket off the shelf, which is what it seemed to be.

    After quickly nipping back out, I undid the nut on the back of the plastic jagged things, then my mole-grips actually managed to turn the thing )this time without being in danger of rounding the damn things off!).

    Both came out without a fuss, so I turned them upside down, put a larger washer over each one, then the heat shield, then the nut off the back.

    It was so much easier being able to do them up from this side, and now all is well.

    I think I'll spray the TT cover matt black like I saw on another thread when I get time.

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    Thread ressurection...

    I'm quite interested in 1 of these... so you would all recommend 1 then...

    and 1 other question.. what is that pipe on the left hand side of yuleys3's thats not on mjr901's original pics??
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3_Jacko View Post
    Thread ressurection...

    I'm quite interested in 1 of these... so you would all recommend 1 then...

    and 1 other question.. what is that pipe on the left hand side of yuleys3's thats not on mjr901's original pics??
    iv just had this fitted, and yes id recommend this for the budget price, but if you have like £275 then id get the AS AMD intake, which is meant to nearly be on par with revo's, but for £170 u cant go wrong with these really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3_Jacko View Post
    Thread ressurection...

    I'm quite interested in 1 of these... so you would all recommend 1 then...

    and 1 other question.. what is that pipe on the left hand side of yuleys3's thats not on mjr901's original pics??
    Its the DV re-circ pipe, I had mine running a blow off valve. Hence no need for said pipe. I've now put it back again now

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    Fairly important to read some of what I wrote above too.

    The bolt that fixes it to the right of the engine comes as an Allen fixing. (rubbish)

    Now normally this would be fine, however unlike the ITG that comes with a support bracket further up, this doesn't.

    So the weight of it is supported by this one fixing.

    So to get it properly fixed you do need a hex bolt instead.

    The allen one comes loose after a short time as you start rounding it off before you have it tight enough.

    Mine be hasn't budged at all now.

    Also, no trimming of pipes necessary.

    The system should sit level like mine in the pictures.

    ITG filter is the best option if I'm honest, yes a little expensive, but still the best looking and it completely fills the space behind the headlight
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post
    Fairly important to read some of what I wrote above too.

    The bolt that fixes it to the right of the engine comes as an Allen fixing. (rubbish)

    Now normally this would be fine, however unlike the ITG that comes with a support bracket further up, this doesn't.

    So the weight of it is supported by this one fixing.

    So to get it properly fixed you do need a hex bolt instead.

    The allen one comes loose after a short time as you start rounding it off before you have it tight enough.

    Mine be hasn't budged at all now.

    Also, no trimming of pipes necessary.

    The system should sit level like mine in the pictures.

    ITG filter is the best option if I'm honest, yes a little expensive, but still the best looking and it completely fills the space behind the headlight
    yeah mate, had a good look over the whole thread and I liked the look of it... I'm only wanting to take my car top end stage 1 or low end stage 2 so it looks ideal to me... Saved the guys number and gonna txt him later.... Do you think ts a good idea to get this fitted before I get the map done and run it for a week or two 1st.... That way any changes to ecu can be mapped for the config im running instead of fitting this stuff afterwards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3_Jacko View Post
    yeah mate, had a good look over the whole thread and I liked the look of it... I'm only wanting to take my car top end stage 1 or low end stage 2 so it looks ideal to me... Saved the guys number and gonna txt him later.... Do you think ts a good idea to get this fitted before I get the map done and run it for a week or two 1st.... That way any changes to ecu can be mapped for the config im running instead of fitting this stuff afterwards?
    Yup, get it on before the map, then map.

    Don't really need to give it long to learn really, it will respond much better straight away.
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    Cheers mate... Got the guys number off this thread, i'll give him a txt.... Had a look on ebay but couldnt see anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post


    Also, no trimming of pipes necessary.

    The system should sit level like mine in the pictures.

    ITG filter is the best option if I'm honest, yes a little expensive, but still the best looking and it completely fills the space behind the headlight
    The only reason for trim was to get the filter in, im sure if i used a diffrent one it would be great but here what mine looks like.



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    As you can see the filter was too big to go horizontal so had to trim pipe and angle it down.




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    CAI ordered tonight ...

    Had quite a lengthy chat with Matt... nice guy, really helpful and are really looking forward to getting this fitted now...

    thanks for the responses...
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    Got a brand new 60/99 itg cylindrical filter for sale if anyone's interested..

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3_Jacko View Post
    CAI ordered tonight ...

    Had quite a lengthy chat with Matt... nice guy, really helpful and are really looking forward to getting this fitted now...

    thanks for the responses...
    What colour tho!?
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    we should have got him to do a gb

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    Matt black.... Not too interested in colours in the engine bay... Functionality over looks for me now, getting old..

    TTS cover will be ordered soon aswell and that will be sprayed matt black also.... Stealthy engine bay and doesnt look that bad when dirty
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    Anyone know if motorcycle filter oil can be used on these? i'd imagine they are just the same thing eh?

    I bought the Itg filter kit
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    If your not driving in loads of **** the filter will be better of if left dry.

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    a few people only use paper, one being the badger5 guy (following on facebook) and he was saying hes seen some damage caused by other filters than paper in his garage. Which is lucky for me being a cheapskate and buying a S2000 one lol.

    Apparently the oil can get onto the MAF sensor? not sure whatelse it can do.
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    It will mess up the turbo or something along them lines, I've left my itg dry after Steve at stattlers told me too.

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    Spoke to Matt at MTC tonight again and he says its prob just best dry...

    Used to have a YZ125 and used to oil the filter on that... But if that bike didnt come back filthy then I was doing something wrong! Haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3_Jacko View Post
    Anyone know if motorcycle filter oil can be used on these? i'd imagine they are just the same thing eh?

    I bought the Itg filter kit
    If you use oil,you're likely to mess up the MAF,as it may become coated,and send dodgy figures to the ECU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post
    Yesterday i measured the air intake flow rate and got 267g/s with it (stage 2 Shark, 16deg outside). So its up there with the 'big boys', which is good.

    Did some more logging on the intake today.

    The Long Term Fuel Trims.

    +4.7%, Again very good.



    Some more values (pinched from VWVortex) that need to be added to...

    Stock Intake: Fuel Trims from +0 to +5% - Safe
    APR Carbonio: +0 to +8% - Safe
    Forge WINtake: +10 to +25% - CEL Possible
    Forge TWINtake: +5 to +15% - CEL Unlikely
    EVOMs Intake: +0 to +~5% - Safe
    CTS Turbo Intake: +0 to +~5% - Safe
    Neuspeed P-Flo Intake: +0 to +~8% - Safe
    VWR Intake: +5 to +20% - CEL Possible
    VWR Intake (Post-Warranty Modification): +0 to ~8% - CEL Unlikely
    Volant Intake: +0 to +~5% - Safe
    Injen Intake: +5 to +20% - CEL Possible
    BSH Intake: +0 to ~10% - CEL Unlikely
    you cannot compare and judge performance on airflows...
    Reason why is the maf tube is not the same as std, nor others, and the sensor position is not the same inside the tube. this one places the sensor too far into the tube close to the other side of the tube.

    Check your 032 fueling adaptions and report back what they say after some driving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    you cannot compare and judge performance on airflows...
    Reason why is the maf tube is not the same as std, nor others, and the sensor position is not the same inside the tube. this one places the sensor too far into the tube close to the other side of the tube.

    Check your 032 fueling adaptions and report back what they say after some driving.
    Good point.

    A lot of people are getting focussed on airflow,and as you point out,not taking into account other things such as placement of the MAF,and tubing diameters and restrictions etc etc.

    I've got one of the original ITGs on mine,which was fitted after Stg3 to replace the original CAI,and despite being one of the "older" devices on the market,flow has never been a problem,even with the sort of turbo,and boost levels being run through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3Alex View Post
    If you use oil,you're likely to mess up the MAF,as it may become coated,and send dodgy figures to the ECU.
    Cheers Alex... I'm just gonna leave it dry
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3Alex View Post
    Good point.

    A lot of people are getting focussed on airflow,and as you point out,not taking into account other things such as placement of the MAF,and tubing diameters and restrictions etc etc.

    I've got one of the original ITGs on mine,which was fitted after Stg3 to replace the original CAI,and despite being one of the "older" devices on the market,flow has never been a problem,even with the sort of turbo,and boost levels being run through it.
    example below... of some testing I did on my tfsi cupra on an intake swap.



    and after fiddling with the revo fueling it did this with the revo/b5 hybrid intake on it


    I turned it back to previous settings afterwards.. was just curious as to what it would do with just fueling change from 6 to 9. Now I know - lol.. and reverted it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3_Jacko View Post
    Cheers Alex... I'm just gonna leave it dry
    dry foam filters in my experience allow dust to migrate thru.
    I would'nt oil a foam filter personally as it seems to get sucked out too easily and onto the maf sensor down stream.
    the most effective coating I have seen was RamAirs polymer coating as it was physically sticky so not sucked out of the filter itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post

    Some more values (pinched from VWVortex) that need to be added to...

    Stock Intake: Fuel Trims from +0 to +5% - Safe
    APR Carbonio: +0 to +8% - Safe
    Forge WINtake: +10 to +25% - CEL Possible
    Forge TWINtake: +5 to +15% - CEL Unlikely
    EVOMs Intake: +0 to +~5% - Safe
    CTS Turbo Intake: +0 to +~5% - Safe
    Neuspeed P-Flo Intake: +0 to +~8% - Safe
    VWR Intake: +5 to +20% - CEL Possible
    VWR Intake (Post-Warranty Modification): +0 to ~8% - CEL Unlikely
    Volant Intake: +0 to +~5% - Safe
    Injen Intake: +5 to +20% - CEL Possible
    BSH Intake: +0 to ~10% - CEL Unlikely
    Its been on long enough now to get a proper long term fuel trim value I think now.

    With the MTC i can report the reading of +8.6%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjr901 View Post
    Its been on long enough now to get a proper long term fuel trim value I think now.

    With the MTC i can report the reading of +8.6%.
    isnt that a kind of near bad reading lol... thought its meant to be under 5% for a good one

    even to i have no idea what any of this even means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ.Foulds View Post
    isnt that a kind of near bad reading lol... thought its meant to be under 5% for a good one

    even to i have no idea what any of this even means.
    From what I've heard you add your short term fuel trims and long term fuel trims to get real time readings, so its actually sitting at +3.1% (STFT -5.5)

    aka groovy baby...
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