AH FabricationsSky Insurance
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 40 of 42
Like Tree3Likes

Thread: AC on or off?!!?

  1. #1
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    47

    Smile AC on or off?!!?

    What is the answer??

    When I turn my climate control on AUTO the AC light comes on which therefore means AC is on. I always turn this off as I usually use AC in the summer not the winter. So do i turn this off or do i leave this on?

    What do you guys do?
    New Ride: MY10 Audi A3 Sportback 1.8TFSI , Phantom Black, S- Line, Black Editon, 18" Rotars
    Old Ride: Audi A3 1.8T Quattro Sport, Heated Recaro Black Leather, Merlin Purple, 18" RS4's

  2. # ADS
    ADS
    Join Date
    Always
    Posts
    Many
     
  3. #2
    DickosS3's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Accrington
    Posts
    30

    Re: AC on or off?!!?

    Air con helps de mist the windows in winter
    Evan@APR likes this.

  4. #3
    Sandra's Avatar
    MODERATOR

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    15,500
    Air con works more effectively all year round imho. x
    DickosS3 likes this.
    Audi-sport.net Lanyards & Stickers
    To find Audi-Sport-Net members with VCDS check out the MAP


  5. #4
    A3Kent's Avatar
    Different Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    1,066
    Climate control gives you warm/hot air too and will keep the cabin at the temp you set it to so it's used all year round.
    09 Audi A3 2.0 TDI 170 S-Line SB 8P3
    - Full Leather - LED DRL's - BOSE - Cruise Control - RNS-E Mk2 - AMI - Bluetooth - Folding Mirrors -

    VCDS owner - A3 Grille Install Guide

  6. #5
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    47
    Doesn't the air con use more petrol?
    New Ride: MY10 Audi A3 Sportback 1.8TFSI , Phantom Black, S- Line, Black Editon, 18" Rotars
    Old Ride: Audi A3 1.8T Quattro Sport, Heated Recaro Black Leather, Merlin Purple, 18" RS4's

  7. #6
    Sandra's Avatar
    MODERATOR

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    15,500
    Quote Originally Posted by selector007 View Post
    Doesn't the air con use more petrol?
    Yes it does, but its not that much to be honest, think i would rather be wam and comfortable and have mist free windows than worry about a small drop in fuel consumption. x
    Audi-sport.net Lanyards & Stickers
    To find Audi-Sport-Net members with VCDS check out the MAP


  8. #7
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    47
    Can you still be warm and comfortable without the AC on?
    New Ride: MY10 Audi A3 Sportback 1.8TFSI , Phantom Black, S- Line, Black Editon, 18" Rotars
    Old Ride: Audi A3 1.8T Quattro Sport, Heated Recaro Black Leather, Merlin Purple, 18" RS4's

  9. #8
    A3Kent's Avatar
    Different Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    1,066
    Depends how cold it is pal!
    09 Audi A3 2.0 TDI 170 S-Line SB 8P3
    - Full Leather - LED DRL's - BOSE - Cruise Control - RNS-E Mk2 - AMI - Bluetooth - Folding Mirrors -

    VCDS owner - A3 Grille Install Guide

  10. #9
    Sandra's Avatar
    MODERATOR

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    15,500
    Yes you can. x
    Audi-sport.net Lanyards & Stickers
    To find Audi-Sport-Net members with VCDS check out the MAP


  11. #10
    TimG's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    South Coast
    Posts
    932
    I rarely use my climate to be honest. Never get steamed up windows and the car still heats up the same. Only on the absolute hottest of summer days do I use it and even the I prefer the windows open really.

  12. #11
    Adam.'s Avatar
    Meow.

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    656
    AC on 24/7.

    lol @ it uses more petrol.

  13. #12
    IceHanger's Avatar
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    West Mids/North Worcs
    Posts
    291
    from what I can remember AC puts your tailpipe emissions up slightly, but only hinders fuel economy by about 0.1MPG or something like that...nothing to really worry about, if your vehicle is quiet old it will hit it harder as the pump gets more worn and tired, new cars your shouldn't notice
    If mines on or off still only get about 28MPG hahaha
    IceHanger
    2011 S3 8P 5DR Black edition,
    2013 TT TDi BE with lots of toys
    Previous Vehicles:
    Audi S4 B6 4DR Big fuel bill edition
    Audi TT TDi S-line Quattro
    Skoda Octavia 4x4 Turbo,
    Skoda Octavia VRS Estate,
    Vauxhall VX220 Turbo,
    MGF VVC,
    Vauxhall Astra GSi,
    Alfa 33 Cloverleaf,
    Tons of Minis

  14. #13
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    N. Wales, LL22
    Posts
    1,224
    just leave it on, it wont use loads of fuel in winter as only the dryer is running
    i leave mine on auto 22 all the time, haven't touched it since i got the car
    VCDS in North Wales
    2007 A6 3.0TDi S-Line Le Mans Avant , adaptive xenon lights, sunroof, privacy glass, towbar, led rears & randomly rear seat airbags
    1999 Honda S2000 , mcb low milage jap import, fully bushed, mugen exhaust <<< for sale! <<<
    2001 Passat TDi 130 Sport < sold!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Ste_Nova/Passat/PB140007s.jpg

  15. #14
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Cleveland
    Posts
    996
    Quote Originally Posted by selector007 View Post
    What is the answer??

    When I turn my climate control on AUTO the AC light comes on which therefore means AC is on. I always turn this off as I usually use AC in the summer not the winter. So do i turn this off or do i leave this on?

    What do you guys do?
    Do what you want!
    Drive at a steady slow speed, switch air-con on and feel the drag...

  16. #15
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    139
    Quote Originally Posted by fangio View Post
    Drive at a steady slow speed, switch air-con on and feel the drag...
    Buy a car with a bigger engine! Can't feel it on the 170. On my 140 Golf you could just feel it. On my 1.6 petrol Golf you could very much feel it.

    And on the loan Fiesta I had the other week it felt like someone had filled the boot with concrete. I don't know why they bother to put aircon on cars with tiny engines if they can't cope.

  17. #16
    CHEZ's Avatar
    moderately amusing

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    just about, right here!
    Posts
    3,756
    your audi aircon/climate control is designed to be ran permanently, once you start turning it off and/or using the econ function, thats when problems start with it!
    just leave it on and be comfortable!


  18. #17
    FranA3's Avatar
    events moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    south wales
    Posts
    7,124
    i leave mine on most of the time it doesnt really put alot of drag on apart from when its on LO for the first 10 mins then its fine just leave it on as said it helps to demist windows and keep the system running as it was designed to do
    ​She is back on the road yay!!

  19. #18
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Cleveland
    Posts
    996
    Quote Originally Posted by chinnyhill10 View Post
    Buy a car with a bigger engine! Can't feel it on the 170. On my 140 Golf you could just feel it. On my 1.6 petrol Golf you could very much feel it.

    And on the loan Fiesta I had the other week it felt like someone had filled the boot with concrete. I don't know why they bother to put aircon on cars with tiny engines if they can't cope.
    It still creates the same power drop!

    And wears the compressor out much sooner.....

    As long as it's run for a while each week it'll be fine.

  20. #19
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    N. Wales, LL22
    Posts
    1,224
    the compresser only runs when its needed, in the winter that will be not much
    VCDS in North Wales
    2007 A6 3.0TDi S-Line Le Mans Avant , adaptive xenon lights, sunroof, privacy glass, towbar, led rears & randomly rear seat airbags
    1999 Honda S2000 , mcb low milage jap import, fully bushed, mugen exhaust <<< for sale! <<<
    2001 Passat TDi 130 Sport < sold!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Ste_Nova/Passat/PB140007s.jpg

  21. #20
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    N. Wales, LL22
    Posts
    1,224
    Quote Originally Posted by fangio View Post
    Do what you want!
    Drive at a steady slow speed, switch air-con on and feel the drag...
    i tried that today, i set the cruise at 20mph and switch the aircon on and off, it made no difference
    VCDS in North Wales
    2007 A6 3.0TDi S-Line Le Mans Avant , adaptive xenon lights, sunroof, privacy glass, towbar, led rears & randomly rear seat airbags
    1999 Honda S2000 , mcb low milage jap import, fully bushed, mugen exhaust <<< for sale! <<<
    2001 Passat TDi 130 Sport < sold!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Ste_Nova/Passat/PB140007s.jpg

  22. #21
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    N. Wales, LL22
    Posts
    1,224
    Quote Originally Posted by FranA3 View Post
    i leave mine on most of the time it doesnt really put alot of drag on apart from when its on LO for the first 10 mins then its fine just leave it on as said it helps to demist windows and keep the system running as it was designed to do
    why would you put it on LO?
    VCDS in North Wales
    2007 A6 3.0TDi S-Line Le Mans Avant , adaptive xenon lights, sunroof, privacy glass, towbar, led rears & randomly rear seat airbags
    1999 Honda S2000 , mcb low milage jap import, fully bushed, mugen exhaust <<< for sale! <<<
    2001 Passat TDi 130 Sport < sold!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Ste_Nova/Passat/PB140007s.jpg

  23. #22
    Ash187's Avatar
    Audi Retrofitter

    Status
    Online
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    North, East, South, West London & Dartford in Kent
    Posts
    6,407

    My Social Networking

    Visit Ash187's Instagram Channel
    The climate control works regardless if the ac is on or off.
    The car will always try to keep the temp at the number you have set it as long as the auto button has been pressed. It's only when you play with the amount of air coming into the cabin (+ & -) that the actual 'climate control' goes to manual adjustment. I quite regularly set the heat i want, press the auto button and then press the e-con button (cars before 2009 dont have an ac button) so I have automatic heat regulation without the ac running

    Also if you press the window button on the left side of the unit then the front window demister turns on which also automatically turns on the ac... And I use that every morning.
    DickosS3 likes this.
    A3 Sportback 2.0TDI
    Dark Headlining, Bose, Alcantara Leather, Interior Lights Pack

    MODS:
    S3 facelift,
    RS3 Grill, 19" RS6, TTRS FBMFSW, A5 S-Line Heated Seats, Bi-Xenons, Auto Lights & Wipers, Eibach Sportlines, Auto Folding & Dimming Dumbo Mirrors, S3 brakes, US Centre Console, Cruise, Pioneer HU, Reverse Camera, OEM Parking Sensors, LED Tail Lights, S3 Pedals, Tints, Carbon Trims.

  24. #23
    Reverse Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    20

    Re: AC on or off?!!?

    i just leave mine on auto all the time and let it do its thing.

  25. #24
    IceHanger's Avatar
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    West Mids/North Worcs
    Posts
    291
    Quote Originally Posted by Ste_Nova View Post
    i tried that today, i set the cruise at 20mph and switch the aircon on and off, it made no difference
    lol Yup modern cars you should feel no difference, if you do the compressors fooked or more likely your arse is lieing, even on the dinky 3 cylinders it should not hinder performance! In the past on say a a 1996 Fiesta you could feel it but with technology now it makes bugger all diff unless your butt dyno can detect fractions of a kW, Atmospherics effect it more lol
    IceHanger
    2011 S3 8P 5DR Black edition,
    2013 TT TDi BE with lots of toys
    Previous Vehicles:
    Audi S4 B6 4DR Big fuel bill edition
    Audi TT TDi S-line Quattro
    Skoda Octavia 4x4 Turbo,
    Skoda Octavia VRS Estate,
    Vauxhall VX220 Turbo,
    MGF VVC,
    Vauxhall Astra GSi,
    Alfa 33 Cloverleaf,
    Tons of Minis

  26. #25
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    N. Wales, LL22
    Posts
    1,224
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash187 View Post
    Also if you press the window button on the left side of the unit then the front window demister turns on which also automatically turns on the ac... And I use that every morning.
    why???
    VCDS in North Wales
    2007 A6 3.0TDi S-Line Le Mans Avant , adaptive xenon lights, sunroof, privacy glass, towbar, led rears & randomly rear seat airbags
    1999 Honda S2000 , mcb low milage jap import, fully bushed, mugen exhaust <<< for sale! <<<
    2001 Passat TDi 130 Sport < sold!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Ste_Nova/Passat/PB140007s.jpg

  27. #26
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Cleveland
    Posts
    996
    Quote Originally Posted by Ste_Nova View Post
    the compresser only runs when its needed, in the winter that will be not much
    The compressor clutch engages as soon as you switch air-con on and stays on until you switch it off. The 'econ' button means just that; economic running with compressor dis-engaged. Even the manufacturers know they use more fuel!

  28. #27
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    N. Wales, LL22
    Posts
    1,224
    lol no it doesn't!!! it cycles as needed
    VCDS in North Wales
    2007 A6 3.0TDi S-Line Le Mans Avant , adaptive xenon lights, sunroof, privacy glass, towbar, led rears & randomly rear seat airbags
    1999 Honda S2000 , mcb low milage jap import, fully bushed, mugen exhaust <<< for sale! <<<
    2001 Passat TDi 130 Sport < sold!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v343/Ste_Nova/Passat/PB140007s.jpg

  29. #28
    Artimus's Avatar
    Short Back

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    1,870
    The MY09 A3 owners manual (p71\72) states that it will cycle as & when needed to maintain the correct temperature when on Auto setting! That's the difference between Climate Control & standard Air Conditioning.

    One automatically keeps the cabin to a set temperature\humidity using various sensors & electromechnical flaps, the other requires manual operation. There is no "Econ" button in mine, but it does use more fuel in full auto mode.
    Last edited by Artimus; 14th December 2012 at 13:57.
    ................................................
    2009 A3 SB 2.0T DSG S line
    ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

  30. #29
    coxy8329's Avatar
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Hampshire
    Posts
    166
    Air con on.

    I know nothing about cars, so probably wrong, but do play with climate control systems.

    The aircon compressor engaged should only run when demanded by the electronic climate control system (eccs). The eccs controls the compressor's clutch among other things.

    Aircon cooling, vapour cycle process, dehumidifies the air, which is why it demists windows better with it switched on.

    Most vapour cycle cooling systems will have a lubricating oil in them to lubricate the compressor, expansion valves, and to keep the seals moist. If a vapour cycle system is not run regularly, the oil could pool which can lead to problems such as gas loss. When the system is re-gassed some of the oil is lost and the technician should replenish the lost oil.
    Audi A3 Sline 170 2.0 TDI

    Mods Done
    -
    RNS-E mkII fitted, Tinted Repeaters, Center Armrest,
    LED Interior Lights, Cruise Control, LED Number Plate Lights,
    VW fan windshield washers, S3 Pedals, Metal Footrest,
    DPF & EGR delete, Unicorn Remap, De-badged the tailgate.


    With DPF Without DPF

  31. #30
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Cleveland
    Posts
    996
    Quote Originally Posted by Ste_Nova View Post
    lol no it doesn't!!! it cycles as needed
    Then my handbook is wrong.......

    'Nuff said.

  32. #31
    Ash187's Avatar
    Audi Retrofitter

    Status
    Online
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    North, East, South, West London & Dartford in Kent
    Posts
    6,407

    My Social Networking

    Visit Ash187's Instagram Channel
    Quote Originally Posted by Ste_Nova View Post
    why???
    because the combination of cold nights and jack frost make my windscreen icy so i needs something to clear it out
    A3 Sportback 2.0TDI
    Dark Headlining, Bose, Alcantara Leather, Interior Lights Pack

    MODS:
    S3 facelift,
    RS3 Grill, 19" RS6, TTRS FBMFSW, A5 S-Line Heated Seats, Bi-Xenons, Auto Lights & Wipers, Eibach Sportlines, Auto Folding & Dimming Dumbo Mirrors, S3 brakes, US Centre Console, Cruise, Pioneer HU, Reverse Camera, OEM Parking Sensors, LED Tail Lights, S3 Pedals, Tints, Carbon Trims.

  33. #32
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Cleveland
    Posts
    996
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash187 View Post
    because the combination of cold nights and jack frost make my windscreen icy so i needs something to clear it out
    Aww, poor Ash. No garage!

  34. #33
    964kevin's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    99
    On mine I only use to defrost in the winter, and when needed in the summer.

    The DIS has a function showing the amount of fuel being used by the aircon, from memeory about 1/10th Gallon per hour at most settings.

    Kevin

  35. #34
    Artimus's Avatar
    Short Back

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Hertfordshire
    Posts
    1,870
    isn't that on newer models only, or is it a function that can be enabled on any 8P DIS?
    ................................................
    2009 A3 SB 2.0T DSG S line
    ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

  36. #35
    monopole's Avatar
    limboitis

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    County Antrim
    Posts
    322
    Quote Originally Posted by Artimus View Post
    isn't that on newer models only, or is it a function that can be enabled on any 8P DIS?
    Should be selectable, but I don't know what year from. I turned it off, paranoia!
    +incoming MY15 S3 (300) Sportback S-Tronic Quattro Daytona Grey
    -outgoing (63) A5 2.0TDI (177) Coupe Black Edition S-Tronic Quattro Phantom Black

    VCDS Location: NI (County Antrim)
    - (62) A1 1.6TDI (105) Sport Manual Sportback Brilliant Black
    - (62) S3 (265) Sportback Black Edition S-Tronic Quattro Phantom Black

    - (58) TT Roadster 3.2 V6 (250) S-Tronic Quattro Phantom Black





  37. #36
    Ash187's Avatar
    Audi Retrofitter

    Status
    Online
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    North, East, South, West London & Dartford in Kent
    Posts
    6,407

    My Social Networking

    Visit Ash187's Instagram Channel
    that is a feature of the newer models... from 2011 iirc.
    A3 Sportback 2.0TDI
    Dark Headlining, Bose, Alcantara Leather, Interior Lights Pack

    MODS:
    S3 facelift,
    RS3 Grill, 19" RS6, TTRS FBMFSW, A5 S-Line Heated Seats, Bi-Xenons, Auto Lights & Wipers, Eibach Sportlines, Auto Folding & Dimming Dumbo Mirrors, S3 brakes, US Centre Console, Cruise, Pioneer HU, Reverse Camera, OEM Parking Sensors, LED Tail Lights, S3 Pedals, Tints, Carbon Trims.

  38. #37
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Posts
    65
    Just to slightly hi-hack this thread, I have a 2007 sportback 2.0tdi s-line and is currently in audi body shop and the courtesy car is a 2012 standard a3
    now after reading this thread i started using auto more in my car and seemed ok but did notice it seemed like it was speed dependant I.e when you hit motorway the fan speed shot up! And if on hi it stayed on full! Then if you knocked temp down to 28 it dropped a bit but still stayed there!
    Now in the Courtesy car when set on auto it doesn't automatically shoot to full unless is cold and when it warms up on hi it knocks speed down and doesn't shoot up with speed
    ( what I see as normal operation) now my question is, is there something wrong with my climate control?

  39. #38
    Ash187's Avatar
    Audi Retrofitter

    Status
    Online
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    North, East, South, West London & Dartford in Kent
    Posts
    6,407

    My Social Networking

    Visit Ash187's Instagram Channel
    Not sure if there is something wrong with your one, on mine if the car is cold an I put it on 28 the fan speed would go up until the inside of the car is really hot and then the fans go down for a bit but the temp in the car would drop again so it would go up and down as nessesary, but bare in mind 28 is really hot so it would take quite a bit of time for the climate unit to get that temp right in the car

    You can always get the car scanned on VCDS and see if there is a fault. There is a temp sender in the bottom of the air vents which you can get to if you remove the panels and have a look underneath... Make sure that temp sender is in place as it can get knocked out which would make the system not recognise what temp is inside the car
    A3 Sportback 2.0TDI
    Dark Headlining, Bose, Alcantara Leather, Interior Lights Pack

    MODS:
    S3 facelift,
    RS3 Grill, 19" RS6, TTRS FBMFSW, A5 S-Line Heated Seats, Bi-Xenons, Auto Lights & Wipers, Eibach Sportlines, Auto Folding & Dimming Dumbo Mirrors, S3 brakes, US Centre Console, Cruise, Pioneer HU, Reverse Camera, OEM Parking Sensors, LED Tail Lights, S3 Pedals, Tints, Carbon Trims.

  40. #39
    audicruiser's Avatar
    Audi Heaven

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Somerset
    Posts
    1,861
    Quote Originally Posted by Kash. View Post
    i just leave mine on auto all the time and let it do its thing.
    Agreed, set the temp to around 20 in the summer and 22 in the winter, and you never need to touch it. With regards to the fuel used, if it's on all the time it won't make any difference. The heated rear screen uses fuel when it's on along with heated seats etc etc, but we still use them.
    Scott

    Audi A3 Sportback 2.0T Quattro S-Line 2007 8P2
    Lava Grey, Exclusive Line Black/Silver Leather, Heated Seats, Bose, RNS-e, iPod, Auto Lights & Wipers, Interior Light Pack

  41. #40
    Ben2487's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    73
    If its not used for a long period of time isn't unhealthy for the gas and seals,
    someone told me regularly use the a/c it will last longer?

 

 
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Now I'm really hacked off!!!
    By mramage in forum Other Brands & Models
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 2nd February 2003, 16:59
  2. Removing key stereo power off
    By mramage in forum In-Car Entertainment
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 24th January 2003, 13:46
  3. Lego Off Road Rally!
    By Moresauce in forum General Chat
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 12th January 2003, 19:49

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO

Garage Plus, Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO