Volks AutosChris Nott
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 40 of 49
Like Tree4Likes

Thread: Hid, Wiper motor problem?

  1. #1
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    235

    Hid, Wiper motor problem?

    Just wondering if any knows of a HID kit that doesnt EFF the wiper motor up Hate halogen bulbs after my golf mark 4 having HIDS

    Thanks Alot

    Grant

  2. # ADS
    ADS
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Global
    Posts
    Many
     
  3. #2
    slade777's Avatar
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    763
    Xenons are your only bet. Loads of threads on how they blow the wiper motor. It's not worth the risk!!!
    Current:
    A3 Black Edition 2.0 TDI 140
    .


  4. #3
    6th Gear

    Status
    Online
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    West Yorkshire
    Posts
    1,630
    Don't do it, you'll have to spend more money putting the car right after you've blown the motor, HIDs are ****e anyway.


    Audi A3 2.0L TDI S-Line Sportback

  5. #4
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    235
    Ahh right, okay, thanks lads!

  6. #5
    1inchpunch's Avatar
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Glasgow
    Posts
    449
    I wish more manufacturers would fit an "anti HID" device like Audi. I'm sick of being blinded by the twats who fit them.
    the crisis mobile BMW Z4C 3.0
    It's quick and it sounds bloody good.

  7. #6
    slade777's Avatar
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    763
    Quote Originally Posted by 1inchpunch View Post
    I wish more manufacturers would fit an "anti HID" device like Audi. I'm sick of being blinded by the twats who fit them.
    I agree! They are always so blinding! I full beam them!
    Current:
    A3 Black Edition 2.0 TDI 140
    .


  8. #7
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    37
    Only by retards who dont know how to set them up right , Never got flashed once in 3 years with my 6k's on my last 3 cars..

  9. #8
    slade777's Avatar
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Posts
    763
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex 3B View Post
    Only by retards who dont know how to set them up right , Never got flashed once in 3 years with my 6k's on my last 3 cars..
    Agree actually. My mate had HIDs in his car and they were ok jus the taxis around me all seem to have them pointing to the sky!
    Current:
    A3 Black Edition 2.0 TDI 140
    .


  10. #9
    Khufu's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    West coast of Scotland
    Posts
    5,693
    Maybe time to post this:




    2003-2008 1998 Red A3 8L 1.8 Sport
    2008 -> 2003 Akoya Silver A3 8P1 2.0 FSi Sport

  11. #10
    Reverse Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    dudley
    Posts
    7
    Audi A38P - Well-Done

    Been using them for a year now, garunteed not to blow wiper motor. when your MOT is due pop them out and replace with halagens. simple

  12. #11
    FranA3's Avatar
    events moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    south wales
    Posts
    7,124
    another hid thread doesn't anyone do search's anymore lol
    ​She is back on the road yay!!

  13. #12
    Khufu's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    West coast of Scotland
    Posts
    5,693
    maybe we need a sticky saying fitting anything apart from oem will no longer pass an MOT as of next year ;-)
    2003-2008 1998 Red A3 8L 1.8 Sport
    2008 -> 2003 Akoya Silver A3 8P1 2.0 FSi Sport

  14. #13
    Broken Byzan's Avatar
    Photographic Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Cardiff, United Kingdom
    Posts
    12,523

    My Social Networking

    Follow Broken Byzan On Twitter Add Broken Byzan on Facebook Add Broken Byzan on Google+ Visit Broken Byzan's Youtube Channel
    Quote Originally Posted by Khufu View Post
    maybe we need a sticky saying fitting anything apart from oem will no longer pass an MOT as of next year ;-)
    Stuck, so please add only relevant and correct info guys

  15. #14
    wez3570's Avatar
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Posts
    711
    For those wanting Xenon white lights but dont want to spend ££££ on a legal OEM retrofit, there are some really good (and legal) White bulbs now available.

    Plenty of us have them and are more than happy.
    2006 A3 3.2 DSG
    Quattro S-Line
    Phantom black pearl
    V Maxx plus coilovers
    Speedlines- anthricite
    MY11 rear lights
    MK2 TT Vents
    Various LED's
    MK2 RNSE
    LaminX on fogs

    For Sale Genuine Audi phone cradle (iPhone 4S/4)

  16. #15
    FranA3's Avatar
    events moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    south wales
    Posts
    7,124
    Quote Originally Posted by Byzan Photography View Post
    Stuck, so please add only relevant and correct info guys
    thank you mark about time someone made a sticky out of it lol been loads of threads on this subject
    ​She is back on the road yay!!

  17. #16
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    235
    wez, where did you get your black grill from mate? Really need one for mine!!

  18. #17
    Audi A3 Sport 1.6 2006

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Chelmsford, Essex, United Kingdom
    Posts
    72
    I have bought over 50quids worth of "white" blubs (which I have been told most will become illeagal with new MOT law) and just don't seem to have the same effect to me I have found a site that says they sell the right ones with the relay loom you need to make them not blow up but they do cost 180quid a set (2) so its quite expensive for something that will fail MOT and apparently will become an easy pull for cops and a nice 3points and £60 fine :S

    Here is the site: (they ask to phone them before you buy)
    H7 55w Xenon HID Headlight Conversion Kit for Can-Bus: HIDS 4U

    I think overal you shouldnt get HID's for the normal Halogen headlights as they dispence the light wrong causing people to be blind or etc so if you got the offical HID/Xenon headlights and what the powerful HID look then get the projector lights etc and should be good to go

  19. #18
    WWW.APR-REMAPS.CO.UK

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    DONCASTER
    Posts
    222
    Please contact Admin regarding advertising, thanks

    Heres it fitted to my a3 3 years no issues:-







    To further a note on glare and HID kits that concerns some folk:-

    We use H7R bulbs when fitted correctly these do help stop alot of the glare people on this thread are refering to.

    Its common place by alot of members it seems to think that HIDS have to be used with glass oliptical projector lenses (like the a3 with facctory HID uses for instance) but in fact many of the earlier mercedes and lexus vehicles ran whats known as a d2r bulbs again without elipical projector glass eye lenses.

    Note the blackout strip on the bulb to cut upwards glare:-

    h7r






    D2R - as used on some early mercedes bmw and lexus vehicles which use HID from factory without the glass eye eliptical projector lenses




    Heres a comparion of d2s and d2r you can see the difference a s3 uses d2s for instance as it has eliptical projectorlenses

    The difference between D2R and D2S
    bulbs is the ceramic paint located on the
    quartz capsule of D2R bulbs. The
    ceramic paint makes the D2R bulb ideal
    for applications that use reflection
    aiming instead of projection through a
    lens to illuminate the road.

    D2R :-




    D2S bulbs as audi use and S3 uses:-






    Finally the codition of the healmap itself can be a key factor in glare a dirty lense will scatter light everywhere more so on non projetor lenses but even on oem projector ones too. Theis is why they MOT is supposed to stipulate HID is used on cars with headmap wash only (note alot of the japan made cars with Factor HID dont though especially imports) I guess they dont have much dirt on the roads over threre but at the end of the day we all know headlmap wash is neither as use as an ornament in actually cleaning the healamp itself in any case.
    Last edited by Broken Byzan; 6th December 2011 at 19:57.
    A3 2.0 TDI SLINE MY09 PHANTOM BLACK -MODS - APR TRICORE REMAP 175 BHP, XENONSHOP SPECIAL CANBUS HID KIT, LED DRL CONVERSION, 19" RS4 ALLOYS, H&R SPRINGS, PRIVACY GLASS, ARMREST, HEATED SEATS, PDC, IPOD DOC, BLU-TOOTH PREP, COMFORT LIGHT PACK, INTERIOR ELEC LUMBER, S3 GRILL.

  20. #19
    Fossie

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Rhubarb Triangle
    Posts
    3,969
    Quote Originally Posted by andi1 View Post
    For those of you who wants a high quality kit thats does work and doesnt damage the wiper motor and that has minimal glare.

    Finally the codition of the healmap itself can be a key factor in glare a dirty lense will scatter light everywhere more so on non projetor lenses but even on oem projector ones too. Theis is why they MOT is supposed to stipulate HID is used on cars with headmap wash only (note alot of the japan made cars with Factor HID dont though especially imports) I guess they dont have much dirt on the roads over threre but at the end of the day we all know headlmap wash is neither as use as an ornament in actually cleaning the healamp itself in any case.
    All well and good Andi but still won't pass the MOT after January 1st without washers and self-levelling !

  21. #20
    WWW.APR-REMAPS.CO.UK

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    DONCASTER
    Posts
    222
    Quote Originally Posted by mike foster View Post
    All well and good Andi but still won't pass the MOT after January 1st without washers and self-levelling !
    Depends where you take your car down to m8 and how strict they are on stuff like this. (but i guess thats individual choice)

    I have an road / track evo 6 running big bhp obviously is decatted and its just the same there many a member on here running round in a3`s and s3`s which are decatted and had thre dpf removed again strictly its a mot failure but if you go to the right garages theyre really not that bothered of dvla bureaucracy of stuff like this.

    As for the earlier mercedes and lexus that was produced from factory with HID without and projectors or headlamp wash cant see them banning them off the road another vehicle which springs to mind is the mitsubishi evo 78 and 8 even the fq uk versions they have xenon HID from they have projectors but no headlamp wash or leveling. I really bet theres loads of factory produced cars out there that i fact dont meet the requirements which kinda puts the news rules in jeopardy.
    A3 2.0 TDI SLINE MY09 PHANTOM BLACK -MODS - APR TRICORE REMAP 175 BHP, XENONSHOP SPECIAL CANBUS HID KIT, LED DRL CONVERSION, 19" RS4 ALLOYS, H&R SPRINGS, PRIVACY GLASS, ARMREST, HEATED SEATS, PDC, IPOD DOC, BLU-TOOTH PREP, COMFORT LIGHT PACK, INTERIOR ELEC LUMBER, S3 GRILL.

  22. #21
    Khufu's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    West coast of Scotland
    Posts
    5,693
    Quote Originally Posted by andi1 View Post
    Depends where you take your car down to m8 and how strict they are on stuff like this. (but i guess thats individual choice)
    If I knew my tester was deliberately passing things he shouldnt he could expect his P45. There are items that are down to the testers discression but this would be down to if it was a fail or just an advisory on items that are worn. If something is physically missing then its a fail, end of story. If the car is pulled over having left the test station, all it takes is a couple of missed items & both the tester & the station gets sanctions that could easily result in the station being shut down. Not worth in IMHO.
    2003-2008 1998 Red A3 8L 1.8 Sport
    2008 -> 2003 Akoya Silver A3 8P1 2.0 FSi Sport

  23. #22
    Fossie

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Rhubarb Triangle
    Posts
    3,969
    I hear what you say Andi and you're right, it depends on whether people are bothered about breaking the law or concerned about the safety of other motorists.

    As far as bureaucracy is concerned I suppose it could also be classed as progress. Don't forget that at one time seat belts were not required in cars but heightened safety concerns and modernisation led to their mandatory inclusion in newer vehicles. Old cars that were not designed for them are not required to have them.

    I think the bottom line is that these latest rules are designed to reduce, and eventually eliminate the stupid idiots that run around blinding other people with very bright incorrectly adjusted lights (both HID and 100w halogens) and who don't give a monkeys about anybody else's safety.

    If modifications are done correctly and legally then there will be no problems but taking shortcuts could lead to accidents and that is, no doubt, the reason for the new legislation. Whether it should be classed as 'bureacracy' is debatable in my opinion.

  24. #23
    Ports's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Loughborough, Leics
    Posts
    68
    Just dont look at the lights! Simple!
    A3 1.9 TDI/Genuine RS6 Alloys/H&R Spacers/S3 Vents

  25. #24
    N8
    N8's Avatar
    Kowalski Details

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Salford, Manchester
    Posts
    17,137

    My Social Networking

    Add N8 on Facebook Visit N8's Instagram Channel
    Ah Ports, are you Stalkers bf?

  26. #25
    shady-ninja's Avatar
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    857
    i would would be more concerned aboutr the drivers that run around with 7000k-12000k HIDs as they look ****e.
    i all for HIDs any day as long as it is done correctly with proper 6000k and below bulbs.

  27. #26
    WWW.APR-REMAPS.CO.UK

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    DONCASTER
    Posts
    222
    Quote Originally Posted by shady-ninja View Post
    i would would be more concerned aboutr the drivers that run around with 7000k-12000k HIDs as they look ****e.
    i all for HIDs any day as long as it is done correctly with proper 6000k and below bulbs.

    Yea the colour is a good point what ive done is run a 5000k bulb at 45 watt which basically gives it that clean white colour with the slightist hint of blue, Many of the aftermarket stuff is 6000k + which is getting just too blue in my opinion.
    A3 2.0 TDI SLINE MY09 PHANTOM BLACK -MODS - APR TRICORE REMAP 175 BHP, XENONSHOP SPECIAL CANBUS HID KIT, LED DRL CONVERSION, 19" RS4 ALLOYS, H&R SPRINGS, PRIVACY GLASS, ARMREST, HEATED SEATS, PDC, IPOD DOC, BLU-TOOTH PREP, COMFORT LIGHT PACK, INTERIOR ELEC LUMBER, S3 GRILL.

  28. #27
    Ports's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Loughborough, Leics
    Posts
    68
    Quote Originally Posted by N8 View Post
    Ah Ports, are you Stalkers bf?
    lol who is stalker?
    A3 1.9 TDI/Genuine RS6 Alloys/H&R Spacers/S3 Vents

  29. #28
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    244
    Correct colour temp is 4150. The best aftermarket kits are 4300k.

    Khufu, as for your testers getting you in trouble for passing stuff they shouldn't because it isn't on the car, who is to say that the car hasn't been changed in the interim?

    I am sure there are plenty people who put cats on to pass emissions then remove them once the mot certificate is in their hands.

    With these kits, it's very easy to put standard bulbs in for an MOT and then revert to the aftermarket HIDs after you've passed. To those who are concerned, even if you have no MOT certificate you don't get points, you get a maximum of a £1000 fine. I am not advocating not getting your MOT done. I always have and always will, and my car is always in a more than legally roadworthy state, I am just pointing out the flaws in the system.

  30. #29
    Fossie

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    Rhubarb Triangle
    Posts
    3,969
    Quote Originally Posted by Adamantium View Post
    Correct colour temp is 4150. The best aftermarket kits are 4300k.

    Khufu, as for your testers getting you in trouble for passing stuff they shouldn't because it isn't on the car, who is to say that the car hasn't been changed in the interim?

    I am sure there are plenty people who put cats on to pass emissions then remove them once the mot certificate is in their hands.

    With these kits, it's very easy to put standard bulbs in for an MOT and then revert to the aftermarket HIDs after you've passed. To those who are concerned, even if you have no MOT certificate you don't get points, you get a maximum of a £1000 fine. I am not advocating not getting your MOT done. I always have and always will, and my car is always in a more than legally roadworthy state, I am just pointing out the flaws in the system.
    - you're not bothered about other road users then ? No MOT = no insurance = illegal = we pay. Fiddle the MOT and cause an accident and someone might die !

    Sorry but it's guys like you that give us all a bad name. Khufu is right but it's always the case that the MOT doesn't guarantee the car is roadworthy for 12 months and if the cops pull you it's your problem.

    Don't think you should be suggesting that 'ways around the MOT' is acceptable.

    Sorry
    FranA3 and guardianstorage like this.

  31. #30
    N8
    N8's Avatar
    Kowalski Details

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Salford, Manchester
    Posts
    17,137

    My Social Networking

    Add N8 on Facebook Visit N8's Instagram Channel
    Quote Originally Posted by Ports View Post
    lol who is stalker?
    Katie Walker?

  32. #31
    NHN
    NHN's Avatar
    Modmetractor

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Coding Something
    Posts
    27,114
    Quote Originally Posted by grantDUBshaw View Post
    Just wondering if any knows of a HID kit that doesnt EFF the wiper motor up
    Yeah Audi oem xenon headlights

    OEM RETROFITS - CRUISE CONTROL - SAT NAV - BLUETOOTH - AMI - HEADLIGHT SYSTEMS

    PARKING SYSTEMS - DIAGNOSTICS - FAULT FINDING - BODYWORK - PAINTWORK

  33. #32
    Ports's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Loughborough, Leics
    Posts
    68
    Quote Originally Posted by N8 View Post
    Katie Walker?
    Depends...Is she any good? lol
    A3 1.9 TDI/Genuine RS6 Alloys/H&R Spacers/S3 Vents

  34. #33
    RedDejavu's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Bracknell
    Posts
    1,481
    Have to say those f***ers with HIDs do my head in (Sorry if someone got offened but its your choice)! Get some proper OEM lights people no wanna be chavy blue god knows what fitted in a head lamps. Really got frustrated few times recently when some idiot passed over leaving me blind for a few good moments.... This is really unfair and dangerous! HIDs should be banned for life.
    FranA3 likes this.
    Be patient. English is tough.

    Now:

    61 Audi S3 BE S-Tronic Ibis White: Build Thread.
    / Black Edition pack (SatNav, Bluetooth) / Parking Sensors / Tinted windows / piano inlays and finish / Cruise Control / Interior light pack /
    /Mods: REVO Stage 2+: Revo Intake / BCS Powervalve TBE system / LOBA HPFP / Crystal Clear H11 FOGS / Black roof + spoiler vinyl wrap / H&R Anti-roll bars / Superpro ALK /


  35. #34
    L80EWY's Avatar
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    331
    Only one of my front wipers has stopped moving :s. will this just be the nut loose on wiper arm anyone think? Or is there two separate motors for each side? Nothing to do
    With HID's just didn't want to make a new thread

  36. #35
    NHN
    NHN's Avatar
    Modmetractor

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Coding Something
    Posts
    27,114
    Wipers are controlled of the same one unit.

    OEM RETROFITS - CRUISE CONTROL - SAT NAV - BLUETOOTH - AMI - HEADLIGHT SYSTEMS

    PARKING SYSTEMS - DIAGNOSTICS - FAULT FINDING - BODYWORK - PAINTWORK

  37. #36
    L80EWY's Avatar
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    331
    No problem cheers, must be the nut that's loose

  38. #37
    NHN
    NHN's Avatar
    Modmetractor

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Coding Something
    Posts
    27,114
    Unless the mechanism has come away, but that would be a 1st for sure on my ears, just lift the plenum cover with a torch & have a nosey, should be obvious if your nut is tight as such.

    OEM RETROFITS - CRUISE CONTROL - SAT NAV - BLUETOOTH - AMI - HEADLIGHT SYSTEMS

    PARKING SYSTEMS - DIAGNOSTICS - FAULT FINDING - BODYWORK - PAINTWORK

  39. #38
    iamwhatiammomo's Avatar
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    169

    Xenon...

    Hi, question- i have an 2008 a3, if i was to buy the oem xenon headlights- meaning the whole unit how hard would it be to fit in & would i need vag-com to change codes or what not?
    All Black Everything
    Looking For Some 18" Speedlines
    Or some BBS CH's (Black) or CK's (Anthracite)

  40. #39
    NHN
    NHN's Avatar
    Modmetractor

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Coding Something
    Posts
    27,114
    You can buy adapter kits, but would need coding in an ideal world, but that doesnt get round the law to cometh in Jan mate, levelling systems & headlight ashers will be an mot test now, of which both are required for the xenon headlights, now all these can be fitted of course, but requires a new bumper if you dont have washers fitted already, if you ever want to venture into this, give me a shout as I do these installs all the time, supply/fit, paint the lot if close enough, along with hire care if need be.

    OEM RETROFITS - CRUISE CONTROL - SAT NAV - BLUETOOTH - AMI - HEADLIGHT SYSTEMS

    PARKING SYSTEMS - DIAGNOSTICS - FAULT FINDING - BODYWORK - PAINTWORK

  41. #40
    iamwhatiammomo's Avatar
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    169
    Quote Originally Posted by NHN View Post
    You can buy adapter kits, but would need coding in an ideal world, but that doesnt get round the law to cometh in Jan mate, levelling systems & headlight ashers will be an mot test now, of which both are required for the xenon headlights, now all these can be fitted of course, but requires a new bumper if you dont have washers fitted already, if you ever want to venture into this, give me a shout as I do these installs all the time, supply/fit, paint the lot if close enough, along with hire care if need be.
    Noticed the actual xenon part with ballast and the lot aint that bad terms of price but altogether with the levelling and bumper etc how much would it cost around?.. Thing is i graduate uni in a year & ive been promised a new shape S3 - really wanna do loads with the SE a3 ive got seen some crazy mods on here! but its not worth the dollar if im getting a new one soonish?
    All Black Everything
    Looking For Some 18" Speedlines
    Or some BBS CH's (Black) or CK's (Anthracite)

 

 
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Wiper motor
    By just017 in forum A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 2nd January 2011, 17:00
  2. Wiper Motor
    By tdia4 in forum A4/S4 forum(B5 Chassis)
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 2nd December 2010, 12:29
  3. Wiper Motor
    By disco_stu01 in forum A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 9th February 2007, 22:57
  4. Getting to wiper motor?
    By VPMD7A in forum A6/S6/Allroad forum (C5 Chassis)
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 6th November 2005, 15:41
  5. New A3 Wiper Motor Replaced, Is the wiper too high
    By Rolex1 in forum A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 29th February 2004, 20:37

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO

Garage Plus, Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO