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    Lightbulb Superchip Bluefin Tune or Kraftwerk Performance Tune on MY11 S3

    Hey guys,

    I'm looking at tuning my S3 having the Suspension, Wheels, and Exhaust taken care of...

    Now I'm keen on having a Kraftwerk Tune which costs almost double what the Superchip Bluefin does, but the Kraftwerk indicates performance figures;

    GERMAN Performance upgrades for European automobiles

    The Bluefin seems cheaper and a more DIY tune but does not say how much gain you get..


    Whats your opinion on the matter? Pay more and give my car to my authorised Kratwerk tuner or pay less and buy the bluefin?

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    I'm running a Bluefin map and I'm very pleased with it. There are extensive discussions about various earlier incarnations of the map itself and Superchips' excellent customer support in developing a better map from about 2007-2008 with members of this forum.

    For me, the attraction is being able to upload and download the map through the Bluefin handset. I originally bought my Bluefin handset in 2009 through a group buy on this site (for a 2.0T quattro), then paid Superchips to have the hanset re-programmed with the new S3 map when I changed cars recently. The changeover to the S3 map cost me about £200, which is great value and likely to keep me with Bluefin whenever I change cars again.

    Bluefin maps are usually quite conservative, but the S3 map is among the higher output ones - 310bhp and 289lb/ft claimed for the latest version (since about 2008/9). Their website has an output graph for the S3.
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    I've never used either so can't say which is best, over here I use evolve and I got 319bhp/319lbft off my stage 1, they like bluefin do a tuning box so you would be able to get it in oz, and it's a fantastic map!

    Now at stage 2 I'm pushing 360bhp/385lbft
    Last edited by jungleman; 22nd June 2011 at 09:10.
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    Hmm just imagine being able to say that your S3 has been fettled by Kraftwerk - perfect upgrade for the Autobahn

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    Thanks thus far for both opinions and advice on other alternatives..

    May give it some more thought and decide I suppose.

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    i'm been thinking of doing a bluefin and have emailed them recently. They say i will get a extra 45-50bhp from by 2.0tfsi which is enough for me. What really apeals to me the ability to revert back to your stock map which is stored on the device whenever you want. Also when remapping it doesnt increment the flash counter on ecu. We also get a 10% discount from them for being a ASN member. £410 all in i think it was.
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    i'm gonna flash mine with the evolve switch within the hour... will let you know how i get on stage 1.

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    evolve switch done..... holy ****! is all i gotta say... what a difference!
    write up coming soon, once i catch my breath back!! cheers jungleman for da info! Sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kash3838 View Post
    evolve switch done..... holy ****! is all i gotta say... what a difference!
    write up coming soon, once i catch my breath back!! cheers jungleman for da info! Sweet!
    haha keep holding your breath, over the first 50-100 miles the map will adapt as the car learns and the power delivery will get smoother and a tad more aggressive
    glad to help mate
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    Also considering a remap soon - I like what I'm hearing/reading about Evolve but understand Superchips/Bluefin is tried and tested.

    How did you go about getting the 10% discount for being an ASN member from Superchips Bluespark? £400~ seems reasonable with switch thrown in...

    Do Evolve do an ASN discount? :P What is the cost for comparison? (Apologies OP if I'm hijacking thread!)
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    ... looking forward to your writeup Kash
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    I'd say Bluefin between the two and I don't think mentioning others is helping the OP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellz View Post
    Also considering a remap soon - I like what I'm hearing/reading about Evolve but understand Superchips/Bluefin is tried and tested.

    How did you go about getting the 10% discount for being an ASN member from Superchips Bluespark? £400~ seems reasonable with switch thrown in...

    Do Evolve do an ASN discount? :P What is the cost for comparison? (Apologies OP if I'm hijacking thread!)
    going with evolve wont be a disappointment, not sure if they do a discount, they did a couple months back, just have to ask and drop in that you read my review on here as that may help, i really need to get my stage 2 graphs up!
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    That would be great JM - do you happen to have your graphs from the Stage 1? I've just dropped Evolve an email so hopefully they will respond promptly - Do they know you as Jungleman or is there another name I can drop
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    Does the MY11 S3 not have the anti tuning software the same as the other MY11 A3's though? Meaning you need to physically open the ecu to remap.

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    £535.00 for the evolve switch.... i'll write it up once i have laid down 100 miles or so as its still learning the map... only done 2 miles and its a bit rough at the minute. but you see the potential of the map in the first 2 gears. read junglemans write up... i would advise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellz View Post
    That would be great JM - do you happen to have your graphs from the Stage 1? I've just dropped Evolve an email so hopefully they will respond promptly - Do they know you as Jungleman or is there another name I can drop
    ive got my graph from stage 1 on my review somewhere, ill have a fresh stage 2 graph from an independent RR on monday which ill stick up, they are normally pretty busy, but hopefully they should get back to you pretty quick, they should know me as jungleman, or paolo depending who you talk to, if you ask for imran though, hes the guy thats looked after my car, but rizz and sal both know me as well

    Quote Originally Posted by eddyd View Post
    Does the MY11 S3 not have the anti tuning software the same as the other MY11 A3's though? Meaning you need to physically open the ecu to remap.
    all software can be cracked (in theory), just not sure if they have had a MY11 car in to work out how to bypass it encryption, so would be a case of giving them a call
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    Charlie, out of curiosity as I am in the same boat being in Melbourne, but what is your thought process for not going with one of the local tuners (Revo, GIAC or APR)?
    Do you want the hand controller, etc?

    Talking about Evolve, they have recently set up in Melbourne and they are charging $1700AUD for a stage 1.
    Would be a hell of a lot cheaper to order a box from the UK for 550GBP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poli84 View Post
    Talking about Evolve, they have recently set up in Melbourne and they are charging $1700AUD for a stage 1.
    Would be a hell of a lot cheaper to order a box from the UK for 550GBP.
    as far as i know they havent got an agent in oz yet, more then likely a non related company with the same name? $1700 seems seriously expensive!
    Factory: Phantom Black S3, BOSE, RNS-E, Adaptive Lights, Interior Lights, Auto Lights

    Added: Evolve Stage 2 Map, Evoms CAI, Milltek TBE Non-res With Special Tips Now At 360bhp & 385lb/ft, VWR 4 pots, H&R Springs, H&R Spacers, Sachs Clutch, '09 Rear Clusters, Pressed Metal Plates, TT Air Vents

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    Anyone have a link to purchase an evolve switch box? I assume it will still flash an Aus spec S3?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kash3838 View Post
    evolve switch done..... holy ****! is all i gotta say... what a difference!
    write up coming soon, once i catch my breath back!! cheers jungleman for da info! Sweet!
    Great feedback.. I'll look into the evolve switch

    Quote Originally Posted by voorhees View Post
    I'd say Bluefin between the two and I don't think mentioning others is helping the OP
    Thanks, I Don't mind other choices.

    Quote Originally Posted by poli84 View Post
    Charlie, out of curiosity as I am in the same boat being in Melbourne, but what is your thought process for not going with one of the local tuners (Revo, GIAC or APR)?
    Do you want the hand controller, etc?

    Talking about Evolve, they have recently set up in Melbourne and they are charging $1700AUD for a stage 1.
    Would be a hell of a lot cheaper to order a box from the UK for 550GBP.
    My local APR dealer in Perth is useless and not very helpful hence I wont go down that path.

    Perth has no evolve/revo dealer as of yet..

    The only dealer I find decent is the RamSpeed retailer in Perth who specialise in Kraftwerk..
    (A Kraftwerk tune is around the $1700AUD mark as well.. but that involves the tuner uploading the stock ecu and sending that file to Germany to be altered and overnight is sent back and flashed..)

    Right now I'm leaning towards the evolve box from what has already been mentioned..
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie89 View Post
    Anyone have a link to purchase an evolve switch box? I assume it will still flash an Aus spec S3?
    this is the evolve site

    Home

    doesnt look like hes updated the Audi section since redoing the site but if you drop them an email am sure they will be more then happy to answer your questions about the ability to flash an Aus spec S3
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    Quote Originally Posted by jungleman View Post
    as far as i know they havent got an agent in oz yet, more then likely a non related company with the same name? $1700 seems seriously expensive!
    They certainly do...
    evolve technik

    $1700 was the price I was quoted on my old 8P 2.0T.
    Very expensive I know.
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    Different company mate, the evolve I use arnt called evolve technik, they are evolve automotive and it's s different logo
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    Well there we go.
    Isn't that odd.
    Evolve Technik who also do Audi remapping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jungleman View Post
    all software can be cracked (in theory), just not sure if they have had a MY11 car in to work out how to bypass it encryption, so would be a case of giving them a call
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    The software is cracked, but the ecu still needs to be removed to take the tuning protection out in boot mode. Revo still can't remap purely via obd port on the selected MY11's with the tuning protection. I just wasn't sure whether it affects the S3 specifically aswell.

    I would check first before you get a Bluefin or similar sent to Austraila which doesn't work or even possibly damages the ecu!

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    I was going to say that too, after late 2009 they where locked out and and will only be able to be done directly in the ecu.

    The ecu has to be removed so a resistor can be soldered onto the ecu so it can get read and write without locking out the ecu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t8ups View Post
    I was going to say that too, after late 2009 they where locked out and and will only be able to be done directly in the ecu.

    The ecu has to be removed so a resistor can be soldered onto the ecu so it can get read and write without locking out the ecu.
    Yeah got an email back from evolve saying it might be locked.

    Looks like I'll go local with Kraftwerk Expensive but German tuning is always good..
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