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    A3 Sportsback 170 300bhp+

    hi guys right im getting rid of my cooper s, nice car but bores me and hasent got the pull of my old 140bhd

    Im looking to buy a sports back fairly cheap maybe high milage and turn her into abit of a beast, the question im asking is.. with hybrid turbo, clutch, decat dmf delete , remap etc etc will i see figures around the 450torque 300bhp mark? first thing first would be to get the clutch done i take it spescially if i get a higher milage one?

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    I think you aim more about 260 to be honest with hybrid turbo.
    Be patient. English is tough.

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    with all that work wouldnt it be cheeper to just buy an S3?
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    Ok well there's a start, 260 aint that far off 300 horses. not after an s3 though with the running costs

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    Cant imagine a 300bhp diesel being particularly cheap thing to run?

    What are the costs associated with a tune tune that level?
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    and Diesel is far more better cruiser:P. By the way 260 is far enough for a diesel, you get a lot of wheel spins even when stock remember.
    Be patient. English is tough.

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    Guy on my local VAG club has a Leon with the 170 engine. His is 236bhp 350ish ft-lbs at the minute. He was saying a hybrid doesnt do a huge amount on these. Place in leeds who`s pretty good on diesel tuning is testing with a turbo which is good for just over 300bhp at the minute but cocked up on the injectors so its not gone too far as yet apparently. He said no one really has gone past stage 2 with the 170 engine so its all murky water at the minute.

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    ive heard rumors on different forums of a 170tdi with 300bhp, but wanted to find out if it was reality.. ive heard of around the 250mark
    yes i know of the company called fr&r there ment to be very good, set them and email and they listed me these products.....

    Hi Josh!
    Thanks for your enquiry. Have you seen our online shop?
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    of products and info. Here are some direct links to some of the products
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    stage1 map -
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    on the phone they said about getting these engines to around the stated 260 mark but im sure there be someone whos gone extreme

    thanks for the replys guys

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    If its FWD wont it torque steer into a barrier. Im with the choice of an S3 on this one lol
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    its the 170 AWD ill be getting mate so no it wll handle the power better

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    Quote Originally Posted by j50sho View Post
    on the phone they said about getting these engines to around the stated 260 mark but im sure there be someone whos gone extreme
    the thing is pretty much anything is possible if you throw enough money at it, the fact that your taking an engine and tuning it that much is going to be putting a lot of strain on engine, drive train, suspension and braking components, so it could end up costing you a lot more money to get to these figures then starting off with a better base car as most S3's running V-power push around the 280hp mark and thats without any mods, also a car that heavily modified will need servicing much more often and you will get bent over by your insurance company

    but thats just my opinion, best of luck and get some pics up!
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    i hear you .. ive also read 45mpg-50mpg from these engines even when stage 2 hybrid'd cooler clutch exchaust etc... s3 im not away of mpg but i highly doubt it will be near these figures, i just want a project for the next year or so , want to do the full exterior s3 looks (without the s3 badges ofcourse) and get as much grunt as possible from this engine. i want somthing i can pay with and spend my hard earned on. everyone to their own

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    RS Tuning is the place i meant. Thats who`s doing the testing i think.

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    haha the S3 isnt the most economical, day to day i get about 280-300 out of a tank, pure motorway i could prob push near 400... driving it hard haha then it doesnt last long
    thats the thing, each to their own and as long as you know all the pitfalls and other option your doing the best thing for you. after all if were all had the same ideas it would be a very boring site!
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    with mpg at above 40mpg and that kind of power id have a grin :D .. just hope mikey comes along and gives me the pro's cos / cans and cants as to what way to go. i havent even thought about the outside yet lol :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by j50sho View Post
    i hear you .. ive also read 45mpg-50mpg from these engines even when stage 2 hybrid'd cooler clutch exchaust etc... s3 im not away of mpg but i highly doubt it will be near these figures, i just want a project for the next year or so , want to do the full exterior s3 looks (without the s3 badges ofcourse) and get as much grunt as possible from this engine. i want somthing i can pay with and spend my hard earned on. everyone to their own
    As a `pound for pound` S3 beating exercise its a dubious route, if you roll up the costs for fuel, tuning,costs,depreciation, servicing, over say..a 3 yr period then a would bet the S3 is a cheaper alternative. However as a excercise to prodcue your own personalised uber fast derv then it makes sense as a tuning project.

    Good luck with the project.

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    300whp you'l stuggle to get. 280ish is more realistic, thats what im looking to get once i get round to buy injectors. Ye FR&RTuning have done all mine so can recommend. Infact all them parts you listed ive got


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    I'm looking to do the same sort of thing to my 170CR but have been told only around 215hp is available with a de-dpf. To get more you need upgraded injector nozzles, and then if you want more again a hybrid turbo.

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    CR is not that tunable I'm afraid.
    Be patient. English is tough.

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    Hi,

    We have one or two here in Portugal with that kind of power...
    With the parts i have in mind i'll do 300 with a good remap.

    Regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyd View Post
    I'm looking to do the same sort of thing to my 170CR but have been told only around 215hp is available with a de-dpf. To get more you need upgraded injector nozzles, and then if you want more again a hybrid turbo.

    Custom Code phase 2 DPF delete will get around 230 with a panel filter and a catback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason.s View Post
    Custom Code phase 2 DPF delete will get around 230 with a panel filter and a catback.
    In regards to that will that Milltek fit tdi170? AUDI A3 2.0 TDI EXHAUST MILLTEK SYSTEM TWIN 3" 140 BHP on eBay (end time 04-Apr-11 19:26:42 BST) and this ITG panel filter AUDI A3 ITG Air Filter 51.30 at Motorsport World
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    Be patient. English is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedDejavu View Post
    CR is not that tunable I'm afraid.
    Does anyone know why this is? Why is the PD more tunable than the CR, I assume it's different injectors?

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    I spent thousands modding by old vrs Fabia (Allard turbo, FMIC, brakes, suspension, exhaust, clutch, various maps the whole lot) probably around 4k+ and used to kid myself thinking "hey I get 50mpg"

    Let's face it 4k is a lot of fuel..

    In reality it wasn't that quick compared to a mildly modded petrol turbo and I certainly wouldn't to it again.

    Great to be a bit different at the time but now my tdi days are for the daily commute only.

    Good luck with it all. Cheers.

    edited: thinking about it I reckon I blew at least 5k+....
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    Quote Originally Posted by devonmikeyboy View Post
    Clutch : Spec 3+ . Great clutch with an OEM feel to it and very easy to live with. Rated at 590 lb torque
    Turbo for a true constant 300 bhp @ flywheel GT3063v. If you want to make the most of the turbo get a 67 exhaust wheel from a GT3267v and have it fitted to your original turbo plus have a ported shroud milled at the same time
    Custom made manifold of some sort.
    Uprated injectors : Bosio R1287+ are the only ones on the market at the moment. I have a spare set if anyone is interested. I have given up trying to talk to Bosio and Firad to make some custom bigger nozzles as they are assholes to deal with.
    Remap can be done by several europian mappers i know. Rui Lopes does my mapping.
    Head porting will help as the standard BKD head can be made to flow 20% extra with the right porting. Again i have a spare ported head with flow bench results if anyone is interested.
    Forged rods would be wise from Rosten performance. Rosten Performance
    You will need some custom intercooler pipework as the standard plastic crap will brake and an S3 FMIC are easy to get for 50-75 which will help a bit but not necessary.
    That GT3063V is hybrid or does it come out on any engine?

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    Its all about power weight ratio and its always cheaper to shift weight than gain power. If you want some fun strip it out first and get the weight down because that is what kills all a3/s3's

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    I have a 170 PD A3 and i am only getting 36 -40 on long runs as standard so over 50 modified is just not possible. The first big mod on the 170 is to remove the stupid DPF but no DPF removal kit is made for the 4wd A3, you have to take the risk of taking the DPF out and open it then empty it and re-make it. Then you have to get it to a tuner to re-map it. I am with everyone else go out and buy an S3 and have it tuned to 300+ you will save a lot of money over 3 years!
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    Quote Originally Posted by paddy View Post
    Its all about power weight ratio and its always cheaper to shift weight than gain power. If you want some fun strip it out first and get the weight down because that is what kills all a3/s3's
    +1 on this. If your spending that sort of cash your probably going to be better off lightening panels, interior bits etc. And by doing that you won't have to do the brakes, and you'll get a massive MPG increase too. If its your everyday car then your not going to want to strip it out, but by being careful you can shed a hell of a lot of weight without loosing much quality. Look at alloys first, get some lightweight alloys and you can loose 30KG straight up. Then you could look into carbon replacement panels, you'll have an equally, if not more unique car doing that than just throwing cash at your engine.
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    Carbon body panels save sod all over standard panels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paddy View Post
    Its all about power weight ratio and its always cheaper to shift weight than gain power. If you want some fun strip it out first and get the weight down because that is what kills all a3/s3's
    If you strip it out enough for a decent weight loss - what was the point in buying an Audi in the first place!

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    300bhp out of a 170PPD engine is going to be a hell of a lot of work, and in my personal opinion more trouble than its worth, that being the fact I am not a massive fan of the uprated injector nozzles!

    Not sure on the costs on these injector nozzles, but I do remember them recommending that the nozzles are to only be used with brand new injectors, which on a 170PPD coming in at 463.44+VAT Each (556.13inc) that is 2,224.52 worth of injectors before you have even bought the nozzles and turbo etc.

    We do offer tuning on the 170CR engines and can achieve between 200-210bhp, without removing the DPF filter:-
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBS Sales View Post
    300bhp out of a 170PPD engine is going to be a hell of a lot of work, and in my personal opinion more trouble than its worth, that being the fact I am not a massive fan of the uprated injector nozzles!

    Not sure on the costs on these injector nozzles, but I do remember them recommending that the nozzles are to only be used with brand new injectors, which on a 170PPD coming in at 463.44+VAT Each (556.13inc) that is 2,224.52 worth of injectors before you have even bought the nozzles and turbo etc.

    We do offer tuning on the 170CR engines and can achieve between 200-210bhp, without removing the DPF filter:-
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    If "your not a fan of uprated nozzles" in other words you are incapable of mapping them how else do you intend to inject extra fuel over what the standard nozzles can flow to produce extra power? You are happy to fit bigger nozzles to petrol cars so whats the difference? Why do you feel the need to have to fit uprated nozzles in new injector bodies for?
    Uprated PD170 nozzles from Bosio are called PPD race and back in 2009 they where 543 euro plus VAT plus fitting to your standard PD170 injectors that you need to supply. New injectors are not need to have uprated nozzles fitted. Nozzles fitting and spray testing was 100 euro plus VAT and postage 35 euro plus VAT.
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    Its alright mikey, you can sort me out with the upgraded and N8 you can sort me out some wheels :D
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    This is simply amazing. Only question is why? Surely the cost, insurance, etc etc will never be recovered as it would by buying an S3, RS3 or something designed to be that hot from birth.

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    I want a project, something different.. Yes might be money being chucked out to get it that powerful but its for personal satisfaction. I'm only asking for help from the people who tune tdi's this way, not asking should I. If I wanted an s3 I'd buy one but I'm after an a3 tdi
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    Your tuned diesel may achieve much better MPG then an S3 but think of the THOUSANDS your gonna spend getting it to the performance levels you speak of. That and much increased maintainance and insurance costs similar to or higher then an S3 will easily outweigh any savings you make on fuel economy.
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