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    Why Use a Catch Can?

    An excellent article on the benefits of running a catch canfrom redline-motorworks.

    How does an oil catch can work and why is it beneficial?
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    There is a large debate as to whether or not oil catch cans are worth the money or not. This article is dedicated to providing a very detailed explanation showing why a catch can is highly recommended in direct injection engine applications.

    First, let's go over what is currently happening in your engine without a catch can installed. All internal combustion engines that run off gasoline are 4 stroke engines. This means that the piston has to go up and down a total of 4 times to complete a cycle. The piston first goes down with the intake valves open creating a vacuum. This draws in the cool dense air for combustion. At the same time, fuel is injected into the cylinder. The intake valves close and then the piston rises up towards the top of the cylinder. This compression creates an immense build-up of pressure in the cylinder. The only things containing this high pressure are the cylinder itself, the piston and the piston rings that seat against the walls of the cylinder. The intake and exhaust valves are obviously closed as well. The pressure is so high that a very small amount of the air escapes around the piston and piston rings into the crankcase. This is called blow-by. The amount of blow-by increases as the engine RPMs rise. Also, an engine with more cylinders will have more blow-by. Obviously not all of the air escapes or else combustion wouldn't take place. A diagram of the 4-stroke cycle can be seen below. Only the first 2 steps are relevant in regards to the catch can.



    Inside the crankcase, you have the crank which is turning in the oil pan which is full of oil. This keeps it properly lubricated. PCV or positive crankcase ventilation is necessary to ensure there isn't a build up of pressure in the crankcase. This would cause the crankcase to possibly crack under the pressure and create a huge mess of oil on the street. So the PCV system removes the pressure from the crankcase and reverts it back through the intake tract via crank case vents. This pressure isn't made up of 100% air. It will also contain a very small amount of oil as well since there is so much in the oil pan at a high temperature. This air and oil mixture is then entered somewhere after the intake system, passes through the intercooler (if you car is turbo or supercharged) and then re-enters the combustion chamber (cylinder) through your intake valves to be re-burned. The oil will actually coat everything on its way back to the combustion chamber. It will develop in the intercooler, boost hoses, intake manifold and intake valves. Just on the other side of these valves is where the combustion is taking place where the temperatures are extremely high. This is what actually causes the oil to solidify on the valves. With the oil passing through the intercooler, it can actually coat the cooling fins which will hinder the intercooler's ability to cool the air therefore lowering the efficiency.

    The caking on intake valves is only a problem with direct injection engines. For all other engines that use port injection, the gas is introduced before the combustion chamber which means it flows over the intake valves and enter the combustion chamber premixed with the air. This action of the fuel flowing over the intake valves actually cleans the valves from any oil that make already be on there. The oil never has the chance to cake on the valves in port injection engines.

    Having oil caked onto your intake valves can cause the following symptoms:
    Knocking
    Pre-detonation
    Loss in power
    Loss in fuel economy
    Here is an image of carbon build-up on valves. Yes, it's nasty.



    This is mainly due to the fact that the air that comes through your intake system and goes into the combustion chamber won't just be air. It will contain some oil particles which cause the combustion process to be slightly less efficient.

    You might ask why do car manufacturers revert this crankcase pressure back into the intake tract? Well, for starters there isn't anywhere safe to revert it to and you can't expel it into the atmosphere because it's not environmentally friendly and is considered to not be street legal.

    Another question that arises is why isn't a catch can included from the factory? Well it's pretty simple actually. Most people don't even change their oil (scary but true) so will they think to empty the catch can regularly? The answer is obviously and unfortunately, no.

    An oil catch can does just that. It catches or prevents the oil from re-entering the intake tract. A catch can is placed right after the PCV and before the intercooler. This means that a more pure (sometimes 100% pure) air mixture will go through the intercooler and intake valves. A more pure air mixture entering the intake valves means no caking and none of the symptoms listed above.

    An oil catch can typically uses steel wool or a baffle system that removes the oil from the air-oil mixture. Higher quality cans use the baffle systems since it is less messy and better at separating the mixture. The oil falls to the bottom of the can where it is stored until the can is emptied.

    An oil catch can doesn't add any power or make any cool noises so it is often overlooked when modifying vehicles. However, a catch can will ensure you are always running the most power possible by having a cleaner intake tract free of oil.
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    I think my brain fired after the 3rd paragraph. Never considered one before and won't be now but the pictures look great and I'm sure the article is great! Well done KRL for finding this info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tku View Post
    I think my brain fired after the 3rd paragraph. Never considered one before and won't be now but the pictures look great and I'm sure the article is great! Well done KRL for finding this info!

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    tku took the words right out of my mouth!

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    Great info! Now this has made me put everything on hold and get me one of those catch cans

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    What about us diesel folk
    Currently driving a 55 plate Ford Mondeo ST. But as Arnie once said...


    I'll be back!!!

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    I've not looked into how the PCV system works on the diesels my self but the same principle should still apply. If the diesels use direct injection and the blowby gasses are routed into the intake tract then carbon build up will occur.
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    That has basically taught me how engines work, and why your valves get smashed to death by your pistons when your timing belt snaps.

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    what a very long-winded way of saying the breather pipe should be vented to atmosphere and not directed back into the air intake due to oil mist.

    not convinced, still doesnt stop oil mist coating the exhaust valves... though. wouldn't be surprised if the exhaust valves get dirtier quicker than the intake valves with the breather still going to intake due to the temperature baking the oil onto the exhaust valves.

    a 4-stroke goes up and down twice to complete a cycle, not 4 times (which would give 8 strokes).

    also "All internal combustion engines that run off gasoline are 4 stroke engines." is untrue.
    ****el engines are internal combustion. 2-stroke engines can run on gasoline (perhaps not for long without oil added). the gas turbines i work with are also internal combustion, they can run on gasoline, and are brayton cycle, not 4 stroke also. I could go on...
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    Thanks for your comments Lincoln but I am afraid I can't agree with a lot of what you have said.

    what a very long-winded way of saying the breather pipe should be vented to atmosphere and not directed back into the air intake due to oil mist.
    VTA is a good solution but using a VTA system will mean your car will fail the emissions test at an MOT so for me that makes the catch can a much more viable option. I also do not fancy smelling oil while driving which a VTA system would give you.

    not convinced, still doesnt stop oil mist coating the exhaust valves... though. wouldn't be surprised if the exhaust valves get dirtier quicker than the intake valves with the breather still going to intake due to the temperature baking the oil onto the exhaust valves.
    The blowby gasses are not being passed over the exhaust valves at any point so they will not get coated.

    a 4-stroke goes up and down twice to complete a cycle, not 4 times (which would give 8 strokes).
    Two strokes up + two strokes down = 4. Which is what the article said, depends how you interpret it....

    also "All internal combustion engines that run off gasoline are 4 stroke engines." is untrue.
    ****el engines are internal combustion. 2-stroke engines can run on gasoline (perhaps not for long without oil added). the gas turbines i work with are also internal combustion, they can run on gasoline, and are brayton cycle, not 4 stroke also. I could go on...
    Agree
    Last edited by KRL; 30th July 2010 at 16:04.
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