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    Front suspension bushes

    OK, I had my new spring fitted by a local company yesterday and finally have my car back.

    However, it still has a slight issue with the steering which a lot of kind folks on here have put down to bushes being worn.

    Now having spoken to the garage again, they have said that I am better off replacing the suspension arms as it will be cheaper all round (i.e. less labour charge).

    Thoughts? And what pricing? Anyone who's replaced the bushes recently, I'd appreciate ANY input.

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    50 for the arms with bushes in or the bushes are about 5 each, but take labour to fit to the arm.

    much of a muchness really

    im putting new bushes in the front of my mk4 this week, im going down the route of new bushes rather than new arms because its on the rear bush that wears

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    Thought as much, cheers Matt. No harm in new arms to be honest, so might as well go down that route. He's coming back with the pricing he can get them for. Means full set of new bushes, so OK by me.

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    Yeah JD i'd get new arms too as they will probably be quite tired too. You'll be amazed at how good a few new bits on the suspension can really change the feel of the car.
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    Yeah I can't wait fella!

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    You going for pre or post arms?

    Arnt the pre-facelift arms better for handling etc due to the bush design on them?
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    No idea pal, don't confuse me eh? Lol!

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    Haha, i think its sumet todo with the centre of bushes.

    Sure the pre-facelift arms offer better handling or adjust, someone will be along to confirm haha.
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    Sticking with standard parts pal, but thanks for the info

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    i think the size of bushing changes between certain arms, 30 mm or 45 mm i think, but dont quote me on that. Also, I think i remember people saying that they opt for the TT bushing because it doesnt have the void in the centre of the bush so are firmer but not too firm like the powerflex. But some people love the powerflex... no arguments please
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    JD I had all this jazz about ARBs and bushes and the like when mine needed replacing and I just stuck to all the OEM gear. It's your choice obviously but I found that fresh OEM stuff made the car feel a lot better anyway. All depends on the use of the car IMO
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    No track days, bit of pushing on but nothing serious, so standard is the way forward. Thanks Westle.

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    I need my doing aswel any one got any prices of suspension arms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookstein View Post
    i think the size of bushing changes between certain arms, 30 mm or 45 mm i think, but dont quote me on that. Also, I think i remember people saying that they opt for the TT bushing because it doesnt have the void in the centre of the bush so are firmer but not too firm like the powerflex. But some people love the powerflex... no arguments please
    I think thats what the pre-facelift s3 arms are but not sure, sounds about right though.
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    how can a cast arm get worn? they are absolutely indestructable.

    i just re bushed mine, peice of cake. took me about 15 mins once the arms were off with a press, which all garages should have.
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    50 sounds very cheap for the cast wishbone.

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    Hey JD, What symptons lead you to decide the bushes were knackered?

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    Front suspension bushes

    Little bit loose over bumps. Steering wise. No knocks. Just a feel. The car is on 71k and I know some parts are starting to fray. The front spring was just the start, but replaced with oem to start with as intend to do a full overhaul Inc bushes, shocks, springs and arbs when I want to spend that sort of money on the car.


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    Front suspension bushes

    Not a case of worn for me, just cheaper to replace them this way with the bushes already in them.


    Quote Originally Posted by sportstractor
    how can a cast arm get worn? they are absolutely indestructable.

    i just re bushed mine, peice of cake. took me about 15 mins once the arms were off with a press, which all garages should have.


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    I replaced recently all the front bushes and both ARB's. The facelift already has the non voided bushes.
    The ARB's are replaced by R32 ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportstractor View Post
    how can a cast arm get worn? they are absolutely indestructable.

    i just re bushed mine, peice of cake. took me about 15 mins once the arms were off with a press, which all garages should have.
    same here. its a lump of metal, and the front bush is solid rubber. ive never seen a worn one, so its only the rears coming out for mine

    ive got a toss up between OE void type or solid tt/r32 type... just dont know

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    Yeah the arms will be fine, the only thing you might want to do if you had to take them of is possible get them cleaned up and powder coated but it depends how anal you are.

    My front wishbone bushes were shot at 110K miles, they were flat as fook but I was getting a squeek when I went over bumps.
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    Pretty sure i'll be having new wishbone bushes in the next two weeks, MOT on Saturday and I have been told there worn before.

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    OK so local garage just mentioned 239 for the suspension arms . . . !!!

    So where do people source from and any links at all?

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    The arms for a S3 are different then for an A3. Maybe the ones for the A3 are 50 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt82 View Post
    same here. its a lump of metal, and the front bush is solid rubber. ive never seen a worn one, so its only the rears coming out for mine

    ive got a toss up between OE void type or solid tt/r32 type... just dont know
    I had my front track arms changed on my 99 S3 due to worn bushes, they was split and allowed movement in under 40k miles, not 100% sure if I have the latter items, they was fitted by AmD when they were based in Bicester, and I remember Ed telling me they was lighter than the ones fitted on the car. If anyone else wants to be anal about a bit of weight saving also, I've been informed that an R32(mk4) subframe is slightly lighter also.



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    around that time audi did go a bit nuts it seems with aluminium suspension bits. early S4s had aluminium arms etc which then later stopped.

    to clarify though, the front bush is practically unwearable from what ive seen, solid lump of rubber that doesnt move or twist, just gets compressed. they always come out solid.

    the rear bush though gets killed haha

    on my golf ive just had a right dilema about whether to upgrade to R32 ones or stay OE. ive stayed OE as this is meant to be the sensible car

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    I would stay OEM Matt, but might look into just getting the rears done, see if it sorts the issue. Time wise, DIY or take it to the garage for ease?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD09 View Post
    OK so local garage just mentioned 239 for the suspension arms . . . !!!

    So where do people source from and any links at all?
    i did think 50 was cheap for such hefty items. There not like normal 'diaposable' wishbones you get on other (lesser) cars lol.

    I just went for correct oem bushes as i belive the void allows the bush to twist as arm moves up and down, which whould last longer according to my logic
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    I had mine done recently, not the arms just the bushes also had the droplinks replaced as ther were worn, what a difference, it made,
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD09 View Post
    I would stay OEM Matt, but might look into just getting the rears done, see if it sorts the issue. Time wise, DIY or take it to the garage for ease?
    diy it for a giggle, if you really want easy diy, put a poly bush in

    cant see a garage charging much, labour wise it should be more than an hour, two at th emost

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    Front suspension bushes

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt82

    diy it for a giggle, if you really want easy diy, put a poly bush in

    cant see a garage charging much, labour wise it should be more than an hour, two at th emost
    Appreciate that pal!



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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I had my front track arms changed on my 99 S3 due to worn bushes, they was split and allowed movement in under 40k miles, not 100% sure if I have the latter items, they was fitted by AmD when they were based in Bicester, and I remember Ed telling me they was lighter than the ones fitted on the car. If anyone else wants to be anal about a bit of weight saving also, I've been informed that an R32(mk4) subframe is slightly lighter also.
    Jojo, do you now have the facelift arms fitted to your car then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani_B19 View Post
    Jojo, do you now have the facelift arms fitted to your car then?
    Not 100% sure, but I think I do. At the time of fitting, I remember the guy telling me the newer items was of a different design and lighter, so I guess that means later ones?



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    Haha, fair do's. Did he mention anything about the bushes on the arms, if they were different to your older arms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani_B19 View Post
    Haha, fair do's. Did he mention anything about the bushes on the arms, if they were different to your older arms?
    Nope, just told me it was more cost effective to change the complete arms than just the bushes.



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    i just got VW R32 arb's and i am wondering if im better to change the bushes that comes with it since it is used?

 

 

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