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    Who loves boost leaks?

    Yay. A new boost leak to hunt down and sort.

    Appeared last night driving over to Trowbridge whilst racing (to 60) some nobber in a Jag.

    Quite pronounced and loud, but only when on full boost! Not going to be an easy one to find me thinks.

    Damn it!!

    You'd of thought after a few months of having this cooler, I would of had all the leaks pegged down by now!!
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    odd that you keep getting leaks Welly, what clamps are you using?

    I had lots of problems with leaks and hoses popping off at 22psi on my AGU, when using Mikalor clamps.

    I switched to JCS Hi-Torque jubilee style clamps on advice from Forge, and I've not popped a single hose since!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prawn View Post
    odd that you keep getting leaks Welly, what clamps are you using?

    I had lots of problems with leaks and hoses popping off at 22psi on my AGU, when using Mikalor clamps.

    I switched to JCS Hi-Torque jubilee style clamps on advice from Forge, and I've not popped a single hose since!
    They're pukka Jubilee ones - 70 - 90 mm. They cost me a bloody packet as well :-(. To be honest, the pipework assembly is tight as a gnat's arse, so I think engine movement causes it eventually.

    I'll just take the bumper off and inspect. Its always one of a few places - mainly where the pipework leaves and comes into the engine bay. Also the MAP sensor pipe. May be time to invest in a real one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    i think Welly is an attention seeker
    Now that's not very nice

    Hurt my feelings now and everything..... LOL.
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    i put a complete silicon hose kit on the s4 when i bought it. total clip count was in the HUNDREDS.

    when i did the cambelt job i could tell straight away i wasnt getting the boost response, i had disturbed a pipe or two.

    since i did those, i get loads more mpg and the car is nice and fast now

    not tempted to get a boost leak kit welly?

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    Book it in for a Badger5 boost leak test (tm)

    I must say the Hi-Torque clips are really good and worth the investment... more so I would say than the Mikalor types simply because you can get a proper feel for when the things are tight whereas the Mikalor t-clamps just seem to keep tightening until you end up crushing the pipes without realising...

    In my experience, the biggest contributor to 'popped' hoses is the lack of bead rolled edges on pipes and leaks are usually due to overtightened T-Clamps either crushing pipes or not the right size and reeving up thus not clamping uniformly or just not being tight enough (jubilees or t-clamps)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tufftybloke View Post
    In my experience, the biggest contributor to 'popped' hoses is the lack of bead rolled edges on pipes and leaks are usually due to overtightened T-Clamps either crushing pipes or not the right size and reeving up thus not clamping uniformly or just not being tight enough (jubilees or t-clamps)
    Oh, they're all tight enough dude, believe me. As tight as I dared without getting click of death.

    All the hard pipes on mine have rolled edges, and there isn't a popped hose - all hoses are present and correct - there is just a leak somewhere. Only under big boosty plops though. Weak join somewhere.

    On a side note - the PCV hose from the inlet manifold - can I block it off for testing? What are long term effects of doing so?

    I 'manufactured' a hose to replace mine - but in all honesty, it is gash, and I'm not sure how well it's standing up to the punishment I give it. I don't mind spending money on things, but 20+ from the stealer for that bit of rubber is just too excessive for me to swallow.

    With regards to a boost pressure test, I did PM Bill as I wasn't sure if he did them or not. But to be honest, I like to find and fix problems myself, as it is far more rewarding!
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    Favourite place to leak is the joiner coming from the first silicon hose to where the old drivers side SMIC is... joiners are easily crushed...

    In your case though I would check the pipes coming off the the inlet mani especially the PCV as you have mentioned... I removed/replaced most of mine but the silicon split (again!!) giving me a vac leak but not a boost leak so it wouldn't surprise me if the same has happened here... bloody pipes are a PITA and I will be removing all that I can and using a catch tank...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prawn View Post
    perhaps Jesus hates you Alex?
    That statment always makes me think of a bit of Simpsons dialogue...

    Homer: "At times like this, i look at my bracelet" (says WWJD)

    Lisa: "Your right dad, What would Jesus Do?"

    Homer: "Jesus? I thought it was Jepetto?"

    Quote Originally Posted by Prawn View Post
    Alex
    Arrrrrgggghhhhh. No-one ever calls me that. Except my mother. And then when I've been bad, it's Alexander! LOL.

    Not even my missus calls me Alex. How weird is that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tufftybloke View Post
    Favourite place to leak is the joiner coming from the first silicon hose to where the old drivers side SMIC is... joiners are easily crushed...

    In your case though I would check the pipes coming off the the inlet mani especially the PCV as you have mentioned... I removed/replaced most of mine but the silicon split (again!!) giving me a vac leak but not a boost leak so it wouldn't surprise me if the same has happened here... bloody pipes are a PITA and I will be removing all that I can and using a catch tank...

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    Yarp, check the FPR piping and DV piping by blowing and sucking down them (no jokes please...). DV is functioning perfectly.

    I have problems all the time down the section you mentioned actually - I shall be looking down there as my first port of call.
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    she doesn't call you Tim does she

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    she doesn't call you Tim does she

    sorry dood tooo easy
    LMFAO!

    Picking on me today aren't you!

    Thats OK dude - looking at her past... It wouldn't shock me.... LOL.
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    How did you indentify a boost leak then? Sound, power or just from le boostage guage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MintyS3 View Post
    How did you indentify a boost leak then? Sound, power or just from le boostage guage?
    Sound and powerrrrrr loss. No boost gauge in my S3 - which is something I must pull my finger out and do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post





    Arrrrrgggghhhhh. No-one ever calls me that. Except my mother. And then when I've been bad, it's Alexander! LOL.
    I know, I thought it would have more impact this way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prawn View Post
    I know, I thought it would have more impact this way
    Well judged!
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    Feecking boost leaks, doesn't help when your not mechanically "fingered"
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    Quote Originally Posted by finesse View Post
    Feecking boost leaks, doesn't help when your not mechanically "fingered"
    "The Fingers You Have Used to dial Are Too Fat. to obtain a Special Dialing Wand, Please Mash the Keypad with Your Palm Now."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prawn View Post
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    lol,

    strange how they do pop off tho considering you can easily hold 22psi back with you hands. Like you say movement is probably the cause, although silicone connectors should allow for alot of movement. might be worth checking the pipework so nothing is under any kind of stress, although im sure you have already thought of this... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportstractor View Post
    lol,

    strange how they do pop off tho considering you can easily hold 22psi back with you hands. Like you say movement is probably the cause, although silicone connectors should allow for alot of movement. might be worth checking the pipework so nothing is under any kind of stress, although im sure you have already thought of this... lol
    While hoses and clips will hold the pressure as such, bear in mind the pressure typically fluctuates under boost/off boost application and will eventually 'walk' the hoses off the end of a pipe... having a rolled bead will prevent this from happening while the tightness of the clamp will seal enough to prevent air from leaking.

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    I think I may of cracked it actually. Well hopefully.

    Noise has now altered when I popped into Bristol to get some lunch to a squeak sound - meaning it's deffo a leak.

    It also sounds under the bonnet.

    I have a vague recollection of - when putting the engine back together - putting the red top hose on to the turbo and tightening up the jubilee clip, then getting 'click of death'. At that point (wanting to start it) I thought I'd replace it later.... And then never did. Hmmmmmm.

    I've since had the REVO map turned up as well for more boosty.... And I've always thought there may be a leak somewhere - but haven't been able to find it. It may just be that the leak has been getting progressivly worse since then.

    I shall look and replace shagged JB clip tonight - and then see what we're got.

    If not - off to Badger5 we go.
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    Found my boost leak.....

    Spot what's wrong with this.....



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    charge pipe > turbo?
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    thats the ******* pipe I can never get too. Do you wana come check mine welly?
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    How much are they?
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    oh no....thats a terrible looking pink pipe, get it changed for a much more manly black one....much less chance of it leaking then
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportstractor View Post
    thats the ******* pipe I can never get too. Do you wana come check mine welly?
    its easy to get to if you remove the airbox and use a ratchet to remove the jubillee's.....just puts a nice strain on ya hamstring from bendin over....although some members wont have that issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by finesse View Post
    How much are they?
    Haha, no matter how much they are.....

    I have a spare. I've just had to go and pick S3 number 2 up from the office to bring home to steal the part off.....

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    Pipe swapped - boost leak gone. Happy days
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    Oooft. The Forge pipe is only available in red too...

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    I plan to replace with a good hose.... lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    oh no....thats a terrible looking pink pipe, get it changed for a much more manly black one....much less chance of it leaking then
    Sadly its an odd shape and size and the only aftermarket replacement I know of is made by Forge...

    Gotta love these cars and the quality pipes... although in fairness they are hitting that age where leaks are becoming more of a reality... bit like me ;P LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by finesse View Post
    How much are they?
    I got a quote from Audi at just under 100 at the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew@A.L.D View Post
    I got a quote from Audi at just under 100 at the time
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    About 50 ish for the Forge part...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tufftybloke View Post
    Sadly its an odd shape and size and the only aftermarket replacement I know of is made by Forge...

    Gotta love these cars and the quality pipes... although in fairness they are hitting that age where leaks are becoming more of a reality... bit like me ;P LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by tufftybloke View Post
    About 50 ish for the Forge part...

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