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    Lowered without spacers

    Cars lowered with dampers all round, Is it normal for the rear wheels to sit out at the bottom and in more at the top if you know what i mean

    ie. left wheel like /
    and right like \ obv not as much but you get what i mean.

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    Yeah its called negative camber. Always happens when you lower a car, nothing to worry about unless its excessive.
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    how much did you lower it by?

    you may need a camber correction kit / 4 wheel alignment

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    Thanks, think its 40mm, Its not to bad just notice it because i dont have spacers and my wheels sit away in need to get spacers asap and new wheels only 17's.

    will look into the camber correction kit / 4 wheel alignment when i get 18's on with spacers.

    thanks again

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    Unfortunately this is why it costs so much to lower S3s as the rear tie bars are not adjustable to if you lower your quite a bit you won't be able to correct that negative camber which will eat its way through your tires, the expensive part is buying adjustable rear tie bars which cost around 250. I am in the same position as you running excessive negative camber and need to buy the tie bars.
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    were do you get this camber correction kit from thanks

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    so buy tie bars and camber kit to sort this?

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    Take a photo if you can mate and post it on here because I don't think the correction will be necessary as I've got 18s with 20mm spacers and 35mm lowering springs and it's fine, you want some negative camber.
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    Negative camber, whilst eating through your tires, normally makes the car stick to the road like sh*t to a blanket!! I used to have a motor in days of old that was slammed, so much so that it used to eat the inside edge to the wear bars and have 5 mm of tread on the outside edge....

    Get somewhere to swap the back tires side to side and you get full running out of them!!
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    Will get pics up asap , mates got car for week i have jeep ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02audis3 View Post
    were do you get this camber correction kit from thanks
    Here: http://www.dpmperformance.co.uk/tie-...ab01777ae3a502

    Few here aswell: http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/section...ec=388&xPage=1

    Probably few other places aswell, these are just the ones I've seen.
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    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthr...d-Set-up-Guide

    I was asking the same questions a couple of week ago...
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    As mentioned, rear adjustable tie bars will cure this problem.

    The Forge bars come with a life time warranty.

    http://www.dpmperformance.co.uk/forg...199-p-772.html

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    How low can you go before you require the tie bars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westle View Post
    How low can you go before you require the tie bars?
    I think its 40mm.
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    i noticed this negative camber when i once loaded my boot & back seats full of fixings i needed to move for work, almost looked likes the wheels were gonna pop off !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemon S3 View Post
    I think its 40mm.
    So if I bought coilovers and only went 35mm lower I could get away with the standard tie bars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westle View Post
    So if I bought coilovers and only went 35mm lower I could get away with the standard tie bars?
    Ive lowered mine by 35mm n its fine, so yeh go for it.
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    I would advise changing the tie even lowering by 25mm tbh... there are tons of threads on here but as the search is currently disabled then its a bit difficult to point in the direction of them

    Check out Ess_Three's performance guides in the stickies, he covers suspension thoroughly.

    http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthr...esting-Day-Pt9

    S3's have about 1.5 degrees negative camber as std, lowering increases this and lowering at much over 25mm increases this alot... while negative camber is generally a good thing on the front, it will make the back end a bit skittish, add strain to the OEM tie bars which have a habit of snapping and nuke the inside edge of tyres.

    Awesome GTI were doing some tie bars quite cheap IIRC, get um bought and get the car 4 wheel aligned. Transforms the S3's handling IMO...

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    As said above, no matter what drop on the S3 it's always best to get adjustable tie bars.

    It's not just the negative camber but it's also the strain that lowering puts on the standard bars.

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    My car, on standard suspension with 15mm spacers, has a fair amount of negative camber at the rear (visually very obvious and certainly more than 1.5 degrees).
    Could this have happened if the original suspension is knackered? I'm sure I heard a weird spring-twanging noise recently while reversing off my driveway and the car is acting a little skittish...
    Could I have broken a spring or standard tie bar? I did have a quick look but couldn't see anything obvious.
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    Yeah it's a common thing for the springs at the rear to snap at the bottom.

    Water gets in and just sits in the cup that holds the springs and over time just rusts and weakens the bottom pig tail of the spring.

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