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    Panel filter or Cone filter for dv sound?

    Afternoon!

    Yes i know what you're thinking, another topic about air filters but i do apologise!

    I've ordered a Forge 007p and just wondering what would give it a nice whoosh sound? My brother used to have a Pipercross cone filter on his Cupra with a Hyperboost dv and that whooshed nicely! But i've seen people saying they can damage your MAF which isn't what i want. Will a panel filter give the dv the same whoosh noise as a cone filter?

    PS. i'm not a chav lol. Also just to add, the car has a remap and that's it.

    Appreciate your help people.

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    The cone will produce more noise, but if you dont set it up right can hinder performance as it will suck hot air in and possibly kill the maf depending on which brand you buy.
    Best bet is to smooth out your air, put a green cotton panel filter in and try to get the biggest cold air feed to the air box as possible.

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    Cheers for the reply, i've been thinking about the green cotton panel filter. What kind of noise would it give?

    I would love it to sound like this!.......

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usPVnPtPuEs

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKrZD...eature=related


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    Anyone? Need to know so i can order today or tomorrow

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    i've got a green pannle filter, thumbs up from me! I appreciate theres probably very mininal performance gain from using it but it definately added a more 'wooshy' induction noise!

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    I'll second that. Mine def made more woosh!
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    I have a 007 and a green panel filter. It gives me plenty of spooling noises and then a slight dump noise from the 007.

    Removing the n249 valve also changed the way the 007 recirc sounded too.

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    Thanks for the replies people. I was thinking about a BMC at first but i've read its a waste of money and to just go with a panel filter. Is the Green Cotton panel filter the best one to go for? How about the BMC panel filter or k&n? Any difference in these making a bigger dv whoosh?

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    Green cotton panel is the favourite choice.

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    Yup

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    Thanks guys. Green is the one then! What cold air feed should i be looking at and where's the best place to put it? I'm thinking about getting a custom stainless steel pipe made to act as a cold air feed. Would this be okay?

    Thanks for your help all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ_Troopa View Post
    Thanks guys. Green is the one then! What cold air feed should i be looking at and where's the best place to put it? I'm thinking about getting a custom stainless steel pipe made to act as a cold air feed. Would this be okay?

    Thanks for your help all!
    Bit tight for space. Not sure where youd put it. Most stay with standard feed from wing or larger cold air pipe to passengers SMIC location.

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    Forge 007p DV is now in along with a Green Cotton panel filter had a subtle whoosh noise which was nice. Thought i'd reverse the DV to see what that sounded like and its a loud pssst with a whistle in it! Spoke to Forge who said it doesn't hinder performance installing the DV that way and it just enhances the sound. Took the car for a drive and feels the same as it's original fitment.

    Happy days! Thanks for the help everyone.

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    I've used a hole cutter and a duct to stick my CAI feed right out of the bumper.

    But thats because I like to go a bit nuts!! Works really well though, and makes one hell of a whoosh!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ_Troopa View Post
    Thought i'd reverse the DV to see what that sounded like and its a loud pssst with a whistle in it! Spoke to Forge who said it doesn't hinder performance installing the DV that way and it just enhances the sound.
    Never tried that, might give that a go. Forge said it doesn't damage the valve, or stop it working correctly?
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    Im sure it isnt as responsive or something like that, that's why most people run it the way the original one is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani_B19 View Post
    Im sure it isnt as responsive or something like that, that's why most people run it the way the original one is.
    Might give it a blast and see what it's like.
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    The dv works perfectly fine reversed. Spoke to a Forge technician and he said the only difference is a louder sound from the dv. It even says it in the Forge 007p installation guide which you can download off the Forge site. In regards to sound, it made ALOT of difference

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    Pretty much sounds like this which i found on Youtube. But mine has a nice little 'psst' in it also.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy5ttHQ4WfQ

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    Animal, your being a bit.. Stereotypical and audastic with your comments dont you think? .. haha. - I dont own a bassball cap, solely because my heads too big for them and they dont suit, but I love cone filters :D

    Trooper. I have a cone filter, I fitted today, Ive had CDA, Standard, Standard smoothed with pipercross filter, and now a Simota Cone Filter.

    The cone filter is superior in my opinion, as this one is specially designed for the Audi 1.8T. It does not affect your maf like most oil based air filters, and allows somewhere in the reigon of 175g/s of air i beleive? - which is 3 more than smoothed airbox with pipercross filter.

    This is statistics that i read, please done quote me.

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    Are Green filters oiled or dry flow?
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    Cheers for that Ryan. My panel filter and reversed dv is going fine so far so i'll most probably stick with this. Going to smooth the airbox at some point and run a cold air feed to it.

    Will your cone filter not interrupt the maf? Been hearing so many mixed opinions on this and getting a bit confused now

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    Its over oiling that ruins MAFF's I wouldnt run an oiled filter on any car TBH but i'm funny like that

    So, Green filters, oiled or dry flow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintyS3 View Post
    I have a 007 and a green panel filter. It gives me plenty of spooling noises and then a slight dump noise from the 007.

    Removing the n249 valve also changed the way the 007 recirc sounded too.

    I recently had my car on vagcom and it came up with the fault 17608 - boost pressure control valve (n249) I was wondering if there was anyway of bypassing the valve or how can you take it out and where is it located

    thanks dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanA31.8T View Post
    The cone filter is superior in my opinion, as this one is specially designed for the Audi 1.8T. It does not affect your maf like most oil based air filters, and allows somewhere in the reigon of 175g/s of air i beleive? - which is 3 more than smoothed airbox with pipercross filter...
    I'm getting 178 g/s from a completely standard filter and airbox.

    IMHO it is a bit of a waste of effort and money just to get a whoosh sound but..... each to their own!

    If that is really what you are after then Forge do the split r valve that partially recircs and partially blows off...?
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    That's why i didn't want to spend on an air filter because of these reasons. Alot of people advised to go with the panel filter and dv which i have now done. I do like a bit of dv noise and Forge said it's all good to reverse it. My bro was on seatcupra.net for a few years whilst he owned an Ibiza Cupra and quite a few people on there done the same thing too. The only negative side is some people don't like the sound it gives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan mistry View Post
    I recently had my car on vagcom and it came up with the fault 17608 - boost pressure control valve (n249) I was wondering if there was anyway of bypassing the valve or how can you take it out and where is it located

    thanks dan
    search this thread for "replace (or bypass) N249 Valve"

    technology is something eh?!?

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    I understand that there are alot of mixed opinions on this subject, I will try and get you a video of the nboise my car makes, im 19 years old, thats why I am like I am, I enjoy DVs and Flutters and Fast cars, what do you expect? So I can tell you that if thats what your looking for, then Simota Cone filter is the way to go, with whatever dumpvalve you like, I had a baileys DV28 i think and that well and truely dumped, you would have people 100 metres up the road looking back, but I do have a k03s upgrade, with samco hoses and rtech remap, cars pushing out 235bhp now, and is running at 1.1 Bar.

    Like i said, im 19, I like turbos, and fast cars

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    ok lets look at this sensibly then.... if you run a cone filter on the S3, it has been PROVEN that you will lose power if running the standard turbo(mapped or not).... one of the site owners 'Ess three' did some extremely in depth testing regards many mods on the S3.... all carried out on the same RR, same day etc etc.... the standard airbox is a very good design, this is why the race teams still use them because unless your able to fully segregate a cone filter in the engine bay of an S3, then im afraid your on a losing bet..... you can choose to listen to the companies that are selling the items to you or you can choose to follow fact..... the testing IIRC incorporated a direct feed to the turbo (as direct as is possible given the limitations in the S3 bay), air flow was measured to give a benchmark and likewise once the filter was fitted (cone and airbox)

    Contest this all you want....it is simple fact....my gripe is with people that insist on having a chavvy note to their car at the detriment of performance, whats the point

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    ok lets look at this sensibly then.... if you run a cone filter on the S3, it has been PROVEN that you will lose power if running the standard turbo(mapped or not).... one of the site owners 'Ess three' did some extremely in depth testing regards many mods on the S3.... all carried out on the same RR, same day etc etc.... the standard airbox is a very good design, this is why the race teams still use them because unless your able to fully segregate a cone filter in the engine bay of an S3, then im afraid your on a losing bet..... you can choose to listen to the companies that are selling the items to you or you can choose to follow fact..... the testing IIRC incorporated a direct feed to the turbo (as direct as is possible given the limitations in the S3 bay), air flow was measured to give a benchmark and likewise once the filter was fitted (cone and airbox)

    Contest this all you want....it is simple fact....my gripe is with people that insist on having a chavvy note to their car at the detriment of performance, whats the point

    I thank you
    Listen animal, i come across people like you all the time on forums. I didn't ask for your opinion on the dv sound, i was asking what kind of filter would give a better sound. Chav? Haha that's funny, especially with the car background i come from.

    You've explained your sarcastic comments earlier in this topic which wasn't needed in the first place. Just because i'm a noob with a few posts and you got crap loads, doesn't mean i'm new to the game. I suggest you keep your comments to yourself in future.

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    I've got my 8L S3 set up with a 007 valve and home made induction with a cone filter mounted inside a aprox 6-7" diameter tube thats open @ the end & a 3" air feed pipe in the standard location right onto the end of the filter. It gives loads of induction bass in the low revs and a nice amout of recirc noise,the metal end cap of the air filter and the manifold are cold after a run. I've still to finish it off with some cosmetics, a bigger air feed & a better ITG maxogen filter. In the end this will tick all the boxes for ME & thats all that matters, Theres far to people on forums that talk sh*t about air induction but know jack about it,If you want to see some actual test with lots of good reserch & results my best advice is to read up about the ModShack VDTA induction kit. (mines very simmilar)http://www.modshack.info/VTDA.htm Theres also some interesting reading about the ModShack boost machine which to me apears to be the only manual boost controller worth looking at for the 1.8T (that i've seen that is).

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    green filters are 'lightly' oiled to catch dust and maf friendly

    open cone will always be louder than an enclosed airbox... it can flow more, but injest hot engine bay air unless you shield it somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    green filters are 'lightly' oiled to catch dust and maf friendly
    Finally! Thanks for that.

    I would never use an oiled filter on any car usually but especially not on a boosted car where MAFF's are prone to failure
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    As it happens 'Troopa' i was actually being helpful to you considering the info above..... 'people on the forum that talk s**t and know jack about induction'..... unlike you i have been here a while, there are many more who have been here longer and have tested this to the extreme, if you choose to rely on the people that are trying to sell you something then your leaving yourself wide open..... if you want a full in depth view on how effective an induction cone is on an S3 then i urge you to mail 'ess three'

    i can tell you one thing for certain (based on my trust of the people who have done it).... your car will LOSE power with a cone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bong Water View Post
    Finally! Thanks for that.

    I would never use an oiled filter on any car usually but especially not on a boosted car where MAFF's are prone to failure
    You are mystaken.. "not all oiled filters kill maf's"
    Green are fine. K&N are more heavily oiled in comparison....

    PiperX foam filters (coated ones) have suffered the worst failure rate I have seen myself, but thats due to the owners themselves soaking the things.. so self inflicted.

    running a cotton gauze filter dry is not allowing it to catch dust, which is what the light coating is for. You wont get any residue coming out of a green filter as supplied from new.


    The Reality is, most oil contamination of MAF's is the engines own oil breather system which vents back into the TIP and Dv venting into the same TIP blows it about and onto the MAF



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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    You are mystaken.. "not all oiled filters kill maf's"
    Green are fine. K&N are more heavily oiled in comparison....

    PiperX foam filters (coated ones) have suffered the worst failure rate I have seen myself, but thats due to the owners themselves soaking the things.. so self inflicted.

    running a cotton gauze filter dry is not allowing it to catch dust, which is what the light coating is for. You wont get any residue coming out of a green filter as supplied from new.


    The Reality is, most oil contamination of MAF's is the engines own oil breather system which vents back into the TIP and Dv venting into the same TIP blows it about and onto the MAF



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    I can definately vouch for that, until i fitted my catch tank, the oil from the breather system had covered my MAF, now its sound.

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    I never said it was fact, I just said I wouldnt take the risk, thats personal preference and therefore nothing to be mistaken about
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    consider how filters actually catch fine dust.

    Oe Paper filters rely on pore size and great surface area with the pleats. they flow ok when new but blind quicker

    Aftermarket filters which are cotton gauze, have less surface area, shallower pleats, and more open pores (hence flow slightly more) but their larger pores would allow fine dust thru which is where the coating comes in. Light oil catches the dust

    Foam filters, similar to cotton gauze in requiring a coating to catch the fine dust...

    Filters which are dry, can only filter with respect to pore size same as paper OE ones, so if they flow more, have equivalent surface area or more over OE, will have bigger pores to to flow more (how the dust it caught I dont know) - Bad examples of dry filters are the staineless steel filters which look like T strainers... If you can see right through them, how will they ever stop dust being injested.

    If you know all the facts you can make an informed decision..
    Not all coated filters are bad.

    Relying on dry filters, which have more open pore sizes will cost you a lot more than a MAF would in repairs. (valves, valves seats, rings to name a few components which will suffere severe wear when breathing in fine dust)

    Oil and MAF failures is in the main oil breather system... If oiled filters were 'the cause' you would never see a failed MAF on a stock paper filtered car - which simply is'nt the case.
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    So to clarify Bill, You'd use a green panel over a piperx panel?


    (I have a piperx on at the mo @ full stage 2 mapping for ref)

 

 
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