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    300 bhp from a standard engine??

    After reading Evo mag on their project to turn a 225 TT into a mini Veyron they reckon they can get 300bhp out of it 'without opening the engine'.

    Is this really feasible from a 210 or 225 engine without a BT upgrade and strengthen parts??
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    I think they mean using "bolt on goodies "
    An uprated turbo and a sports exhaust with other normal external mods could show 300.
    The internals are said to be fine for 330ish bhp.
    More than that... its hit and miss.
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    Easily. 3"DP, cat and exhaust, hybrid ko4, uprated pipework, high flow intake and exhaust manifold, well over 300bhp an lb/ft.
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    I hear mixed reports about the benefits of exhausts, downpipes and such (ie, losing boost pressure or something)

    could you also explain a 'hybrid turbo', how does it differ from a normal turbo?

    are they much cheaper to get than a BT upgrade?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani_B19 View Post
    Easily. 3"DP, cat and exhaust, hybrid ko4, uprated pipework, high flow intake and exhaust manifold, well over 300bhp an lb/ft.
    agree with some very good mapping

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevehart View Post
    I hear mixed reports about the benefits of exhausts, downpipes and such (ie, losing boost pressure or something)

    could you also explain a 'hybrid turbo', how does it differ from a normal turbo?

    are they much cheaper to get than a BT upgrade?
    I'm supprised given your obvious exposure to serious modding (revo, FMIC, etc etc) that you don't know what a hybrid turbo is.

    Its basically a K04 unit thats been modified to flow better and give more power with a decent map. alot cheaper than BT and give a power delivery more like standard. BT's are big power later on!

    I think they'll have no problems getting 300bhp if they're prepared to throw money at it. Nice to be able to!!
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    I had read about airflow modifications to the turbo but hadn't made the connection with the terminology.

    I'm not really up on remaps (mine was done before I got it) and dont really understand why you would need to re-remap an engine for adding hard wear.

    why wouldn't one remap do for most add ons.

    The guys at Star said they dont do staged remaps and they remap the once and it will cope with subsequent add ons
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    Normally stage 2 remaps take into account extra bolt on goodies (exhaust, hybrid turbo etc) and map the engine to get the best out of these. A standard stage 1 map is generic.
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    or depends if you go for a custom map. then stage one doesnt matter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevehart View Post
    The guys at Star said they dont do staged remaps and they remap the once and it will cope with subsequent add ons
    Star are good tuners so am sure theres a reason behind this,probably they have more than enough work on serious mods.

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    Ive spent some time and money on getting the car setup correctly and I now want to start tinkering with power.

    what are the best/cheapest ways to get noticeable gains without going to stage 2 (money is now low so getting expensive things done will have to wait)
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    buy a sps

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    sorry to be thick but my knowledge of the terminology is pants...
    sps?
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    REVO TECHNIK SPS 3 Serial Port Switch

    allows you to tweek the remap via the OBD port

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    nice one I'll look into that,

    Cheers mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by voorhees View Post
    REVO TECHNIK SPS 3 Serial Port Switch

    allows you to tweek the remap via the OBD port
    There usefull things to have, but must say i leave it on agressive boast
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    Quote Originally Posted by indiemike View Post
    There usefull things to have, but must say i leave it on agressive boast
    Ha Ha boast! very good,yeah aggressive boost is good but it strains your neck

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    Quote Originally Posted by voorhees View Post
    Ha Ha boast! very good,yeah aggressive boost is good but it strains your neck
    Opps i cant spell lol.. silly me

    I change it back to factory now and then, but it does seem really slow lol so have to change it back to setting 9
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    Mike,mixing it is good and trust me the S3 is still sweet even though three and a half years on....with the steady mods being put on as well.

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    I sent off my form for a revo sps but didnt hear anything back. Hate having to chase a company to buy their goods but I really do need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MintyS3 View Post
    I sent off my form for a revo sps but didnt hear anything back. Hate having to chase a company to buy their goods but I really do need it.
    From reading threads over the years, the SPS device is only used once to set aggressive settings, and left at that. There's very few people that have the time to swop the settings regularly to suit driving conditions/needs to warrant owning one in my opinion. Find someone who has one and borrow it for a few hours.


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    No one local. I live just south of the North Pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MintyS3 View Post
    No one local. I live just south of the North Pole.
    Awesome. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintyS3 View Post
    No one local. I live just south of the North Pole.
    Inverness,my mate delivers there all the while I'll have a word with him and see when hes there next.you can borrow it no worries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voorhees View Post
    Inverness,my mate delivers there all the while I'll have a word with him and see when hes there next.you can borrow it no worries.
    Nice one, that sounds spot on.

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    If any1 has got a copy of Vagcom they can lend my SPS3 if they can run a few checks on my car 4 me
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    Quote Originally Posted by indiemike View Post
    If any1 has got a copy of Vagcom they can lend my SPS3 if they can run a few checks on my car 4 me

    Any1???
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