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    Question 8L S3 Koni Shocks with H&R Springs, - FSD's or yellow adjustables??

    Hi all,

    I'm looking to get a new suspension set up for my 2002 S3, at first I was looking at coilovers but think they would be over kill for a car which will probably never see a track, so decided on Billy's shocks with H&R springs after spending a night searching on here at everyones recommendation as that seemed to be the favourite choice. But, after chatting to Ed and Nathan at APS today whilst they were working on my car they mentioned that the Billy's are quite hard, so recommended a set of Koni shocks with H&R springs instead as they would be a lot more user friendly on a daily car.

    Now, I forgot to ask Ed what shocks he was recommending exactly when he gave me a quote, I think they were talking about the top adjustable shocks, but thought I would ask peoples views on here on both kits, either the FSD's or the yellow adjustables with H&R springs.

    Any comments would be appreciated.

    Cheers,

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    I run my 02 S3 with FSD's with H&R lowering springs dropped 25mm and it seems to handle well,would recommend them but if lowering get adjustable rear tie bars so no inner tyre wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voorhees View Post
    Ibut if lowering get adjustable rear tie bars so no inner tyre wear.
    I thought the S3 had them as standard? Oh i'm getting so confused!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dansmith View Post
    I thought the S3 had them as standard? Oh i'm getting so confused!
    Nope.
    You need to budget for them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post
    Hi all,

    I'm looking to get a new suspension set up for my 2002 S3, at first I was looking at coilovers but think they would be over kill for a car which will probably never see a track, so decided on Billy's shocks with H&R springs after spending a night searching on here at everyones recommendation as that seemed to be the favourite choice. But, after chatting to Ed and Nathan at APS today whilst they were working on my car they mentioned that the Billy's are quite hard, so recommended a set of Koni shocks with H&R springs instead as they would be a lot more user friendly on a daily car.

    Now, I forgot to ask Ed what shocks he was recommending exactly when he gave me a quote, I think they were talking about the top adjustable shocks, but thought I would ask peoples views on here on both kits, either the FSD's or the yellow adjustables with H&R springs.

    Any comments would be appreciated.

    Cheers,

    Arron.
    I never found the Bilsteins hard with H&R springs.
    The ride was better than standard at times.

    The S3 is a lardy beast...and needs decent, firm dampers to sort it out...

    Also, adjustable dampers can be the making or the ruining of a car - depending on how the owner sets them.

    With the Bilsteins...they are spot on, out of the box.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    Nope.
    You need to budget for them.
    Bugger! what else do I need to budget for? and what sort of cost am I looking for for them?

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    Springs
    Dampers
    Tie-bars

    Bushes if worn...
    Front top mounts, if worn...

    Fitting...and an alignment...two, if you get the gamble wrong and end up with the rear tie-bars on the wrong place and have to go away, change them, and have it all done again.

    I think the tie bars are 300-400.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    Springs
    Dampers
    Tie-bars

    Bushes if worn...
    Front top mounts, if worn...

    Fitting...and an alignment...two, if you get the gamble wrong and end up with the rear tie-bars on the wrong place and have to go away, change them, and have it all done again.

    I think the tie bars are 300-400.
    So its sounding like what I thought would be a 500 to 600 job is really going to be over a grand...........

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    It does seem that way doesn't it! I've been quoted 800 for the koni shocks, h&r springs, fitting, and geometery set up, so add 350 for r32 anti roll bars supplied, fitted and set up too, plus the tie bars.......

    Thanks very much for the feedback so far, this is probably the hardest car I've ever owned to make choices when it comes to mods, cos I want to get it right first time, but so many people have different opinions, and with the price of parts it's not like I want to make any expensive mistakes.

    I forgot to ask, does anyone have any pics of their s3 on koni (or billy) shocks with h&r springs so I can see how it sits please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dansmith View Post
    So its sounding like what I thought would be a 500 to 600 job is really going to be over a grand...........
    Yup, sadly so.

    Bank on around 1500 all in, with springs/dampers, ARBs, consumables, labour and alignment.

    Makes a big difference though...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post
    I forgot to ask, does anyone have any pics of their s3 on koni (or billy) shocks with h&r springs so I can see how it sits please?
    H&Rs and Bilsteins:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    Yup, sadly so.

    Bank on around 1500 all in, with springs/dampers, ARBs, consumables, labour and alignment.

    Makes a big difference though...
    maybe my car's fine with standard suspension!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dansmith View Post
    maybe my car's fine with standard suspension!
    You'll not think so once you've driven one that's been sorted....I can assure you!


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    I've been driving my S3 with 19" rims and Bilsteins/Eibach Springs combo, and I can honestly say it's a firm ride, but not hard at all, very well damped actually. I've driven an S3 with standard 17" rims and slammed on coilovers which was hard and bouncy, but it cornered much better than mine, and an Evo FQ300 is much harder than my S3 also, as a comparison.



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    Thanks very much for all the feedback.

    Jojo - Do you know what coilovers were on the s3 that you drove? And were they damper adjustable, I don't mind a slightly harder ride but I don't want anything that would be bouncy.

    ess_three - Very nice car mate! Are your wheels 17's or 18's?


    Does anyone have any pics of a lowered s3 on h&r springs with 18" RSTT's?

    And lastly, does anyone know much or own a set of AP coilovers that they could give some feedback on? As soon as AmD have got a deal going on them at the moment they could also be an option to me, but would like to know peoples opinion on those really as not read or heard to much about them....

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post

    Jojo - Do you know what coilovers were on the s3 that you drove? And were they damper adjustable, I don't mind a slightly harder ride but I don't want anything that would be bouncy.
    Not 100% sure, they might have been Top adjustable Koni coilovers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post
    ess_three - Very nice car mate! Are your wheels 17's or 18's?
    They were 18s.
    Glad you like the car, not mine now though...on it's 4th owner and all have been on here!


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    First time Ive seen your old S3 Glen.. i like it.

    Very smart
    Totally addicted to boost.

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    That's bloody good that all the owners have been from this site, must be very well looked after!

    Thanks for the reply anyway jojo.

    So anyone have anything to say about the AP coilovers at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shy19s View Post
    First time Ive seen your old S3 Glen.. i like it.

    Very smart
    Cheers...
    I miss it.


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    So anyone have anything to say about the AP coilovers at all?
    Guy on here just put them on his car.. A3_turbo his name is jason.. Do a search..

    If you want the perfect stance, id personally reccommend Coilovers.. ive got the 50/40 KW shocks + Spring kit, but it still doesnt sit quite perfect IMO, rides nice though.

    Depends what you want.. coilovers are tough on UK roads.
    Totally addicted to boost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Az View Post
    That's bloody good that all the owners have been from this site, must be very well looked after!
    Well looked after, but also I think how it drives has swung it...
    It's been used well, but looked after well too.

    I saw it just before the 3rd owner sold it and it had been at Polished Bliss and it looked amazing.


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