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    Induction Kits

    Anyone used anything like this before? Purely after noise, but hopefully no loss of performance. (chipped)

    Looks very similar to a Carbonio system I once had on my mk4 (but it was Carbon firbre) and I loved that.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-99-04-1-8T...1%7C240%3A1318

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    yes i have 1 of these on my a3 1.8t best check if it fits your s3, as it has to slide under the hole under your battery tray, so i dont know how urs is set out down there....

    mine sounds good, but i run a split-r dv.

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    I'm thinking of getting a induction kit but would prefer the Carbonio kit, i know its pricey but think its a better kit


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    Quote Originally Posted by cornish_a3_turbo View Post
    yes i have 1 of these on my a3 1.8t best check if it fits your s3, as it has to slide under the hole under your battery tray, so i dont know how urs is set out down there....

    mine sounds good, but i run a split-r dv.
    Awesome!!!!!

    Hmm yeah not quite sure of the differences from the S3 and A3 in the engine bay hmmmmm... If anyone else knows please report!

    Cheers

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    i think they are very much the same, but it depends what engine code u have.

    1 of the smart asses here will know im sure....


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    S3 has a bigger MAF for a start.
    Bigger turbo and more power mean more air required...an A3 kit might be too restrictive.

    Personally, I'd stick to the standard, heat insulating, well designed airbox that's fine for 280+ BHP.


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    its always about "personally" on here...all i ever hear is o.e.m

    whats wrong with something different???

    AND just 4 the record, yes it may have a bigger maf, but u get a samco style hose which flexes to the right size.....

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    If the pipe in that kit has a smaller diameter than your maf it will be crap.
    When moving air you would be better if the pipe went wider towards the air filter from the turbo,something like a cone shape.

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    that kit, its much wider than my standard a3 1.8 t maf hole....

    best thing, is ask the guy who is selling....!

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    Ask him what power the filter is rated at too?

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    Thanks everyone for the comments.

    The guy selling it doesnt actually know and can't guarantee fitament. So im not sure it's worth the risk as if the MAFs are bigger then it won't fit on the intake end.

    Also I notice it has a breather pipe and breather filter, our S3's don't use those or do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornish_a3_turbo View Post
    its always about "personally" on here...all i ever hear is o.e.m

    whats wrong with something different???
    Different is fine. Perferably different that increases performance, not restricts it and sounds like a Chav-mobile.
    Each to their own though...

    If you don't like hearing other peoples opinions, I suggest you don't post on a public web board.


    AND just 4 the record, yes it may have a bigger maf, but u get a samco style hose which flexes to the right size.....
    So you feed a bigger MAF from a smaller pipe...restricting it.
    Sort of de-tuning possibly?
    Good idea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cornish_a3_turbo View Post
    that kit, its much wider than my standard a3 1.8 t maf hole....

    best thing, is ask the guy who is selling....!
    It's just a pity that an S3 has a damn great intercooler in the space where this kit will need to pass. something your A3 doesn't have.

    Aside from the pipe being small, it's also metal (great for taking in heat in the hot engine compartment of a turbo'd car - reducing power!) and unlikely to fit anyway as the hole you need to use to get the polished pipe through is filled by a boost pipe on an S3, and the space you need for the air filter is filled by an intercooler on an S3.

    I'd say best not bought.
    But that's my personal opinion...and should I care if people waste their money buying crap or even worse, crap that doesn't fit?
    No.
    But, sadly, I do care.

    S3 owners...save your money.


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    i still cant get over how many induction posts still come up on here.... its been said time and time again about what cones and some other aftermarket do to the MAF....and how they reduce the power.... we should ban the word 'induction' being associated with 'S3'... its a pointless conversation....

    Cornish, i suggest you do your homework before being flipant with comments like that, really doesnt help anyone having someone guess their way around an engine
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    i still cant get over how many induction posts still come up on here.... its been said time and time again about what cones and some other aftermarket do to the MAF....and how they reduce the power....
    It has been rumoured that oil from a filter damage's the maf,i still havent seen any evidence that they actually do.
    If shielded from the heat and with a big enough cold air feed you will not loose any power with a cone filter,unless it is a cheap piece of crap not designed for the intended power.

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    What sort of noise are you going for? The S3 is decent at noise when you put the pedal down anyway, are you trying to scare children as you idle?

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    i think too many people on here have a chip on your shoulder....listen to some of the comments!
    your all a bunch of opiionated tossers!
    a guy asks a question, so you all critisze the comments he gets, if your so ****ing expert.....WHY DONT YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION STRAIGHT AWAY!
    what a joke.

    fran, all the best mate. sorry my knowelge isnt as perfect as some on here.

    obviously they know it all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ess_Three View Post
    Different is fine. Perferably different that increases performance, not restricts it and sounds like a Chav-mobile.
    Each to their own though...

    If you don't like hearing other peoples opinions, I suggest you don't post on a public web board.




    So you feed a bigger MAF from a smaller pipe...restricting it.
    Sort of de-tuning possibly?
    Good idea.

    YOU CLEARLY DIDNT READ THE THREAD DID YOU!

    I SAID IT WAS MUCH BIGGER THAN MY MAF, SO MY MAF IS SMALLER THAN THE SAMCO STYLE HOSE U GET WITH IT........IF THE S3 IS BIGEER IT SHOULD BE AROUND THE RIGHT SIZE.......

    IS THAT A BIT CLEARER??

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornish_a3_turbo View Post
    YOU CLEARLY DIDNT READ THE THREAD DID YOU!
    ...and you clearly didn't read the rules on language and attitude to other users.
    Goodbye.

    I trust that's perfectly clear?


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    some people really do miss the point
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    haha, lots of *****ing going on in here, ill stay out of it! i've just bought the neuspeed kit from awesome for 166, with which you get a pretty purposefull heatshield imo, a large k and n type filter and also breather filter which isnt needed but still supplied although im unsure why, as for performance it feels no different to running standard airbox, just a little more spool up noise and wastegate sound.

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    I wouldn't have said *****ing so much, everyone has an opinion and are entitled to it but the point is to keep it civil.

    Peoples opinions and experiences differ, thats the beauty of forums like these. The trick is how to deliver your advice/experience so its useful to the discussion. Its a little silly provoking that kinda response (especially with a forum mod) unless you have solid grounds to do so.

    Anyway, back on topic.... each to his own as previously said. I have just the stock airbox but have a Forge DV and pipercross panel filter and can hear everything thats going on (a little too much in the case of my current turbo problem), induction noise and the DV recirculating. The flipside of an induction kit is that you may hit problems selling your car (when and if you do) as you can limit its appeal with an induction kit on. Make sure you keep the old stuff to swap back just in case

    You are more likely to sell the car standard for the price you want and you can seel your mods separately and make more cash... winna!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tufftybloke View Post
    The flipside of an induction kit is that you may hit problems selling your car (when and if you do) as you can limit its appeal with an induction kit on. Make sure you keep the old stuff to swap back just in case

    You are more likely to sell the car standard for the price you want and you can seel your mods separately and make more cash... winna!!

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    Not on all cars but on an S3 i would completely agree.

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    james, unless your selling a concours car your fate is pretty much sealed with a modded car in terms of selling it fella...... unless your talking major work like an MTM set up say.... in which case you may get back a couple of grand of the 10k spent, not exactly what i would call ' getting your money back'
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    Quote Originally Posted by tufftybloke View Post
    I wouldn't have said *****ing so much, everyone has an opinion and are entitled to it but the point is to keep it civil.

    Peoples opinions and experiences differ, thats the beauty of forums like these. The trick is how to deliver your advice/experience so its useful to the discussion. Its a little silly provoking that kinda response (especially with a forum mod) unless you have solid grounds to do so.

    Anyway, back on topic.... each to his own as previously said. I have just the stock airbox but have a Forge DV and pipercross panel filter and can hear everything thats going on (a little too much in the case of my current turbo problem), induction noise and the DV recirculating. The flipside of an induction kit is that you may hit problems selling your car (when and if you do) as you can limit its appeal with an induction kit on. Make sure you keep the old stuff to swap back just in case

    You are more likely to sell the car standard for the price you want and you can seel your mods separately and make more cash... winna!!

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    couldnt agree more Tufty, although what i still dont get is why people still choose to fit induction kits especially whens theres a sticky on the page proving that they dont work on the S3....each to their own....just how much convincing do people need, i'll quite gladly put their notes through my shredder at a fraction of the price
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    james, unless your selling a concours car your fate is pretty much sealed with a modded car in terms of selling it fella...... unless your talking major work like an MTM set up say.... in which case you may get back a couple of grand of the 10k spent, not exactly what i would call ' getting your money back'

    I meant to delete the bit about getting your money back.
    My point was more for............
    Originally Posted by tufftybloke
    The flipside of an induction kit is that you may hit problems selling your car (when and if you do) as you can limit its appeal with an induction kit on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    couldnt agree more Tufty, although what i still dont get is why people still choose to fit induction kits especially whens theres a sticky on the page proving that they dont work on the S3....each to their own....just how much convincing do people need, i'll quite gladly put their notes through my shredder at a fraction of the price

    What thread is this proving induction filters dont work on an S3?
    I havent seen this one.

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    there are plenty of threads on here matey, i thought it was on start performance testing (pretty sure it was) Glen will correct me if not
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    there are plenty of threads on here matey, i thought it was on start performance testing (pretty sure it was) Glen will correct me if not
    There may be plenty of threads but there are also plenty of threads saying how the "oil damages the maf",doesnt make it true.
    A good cone filter fitted properly protected from heat with a cold air feed will see a benefit over the standard airbox/filter,not alot but it all helps.

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    How can you go against the better judgement of people on here James..... Glen is a good case in point, the guy spent thousands sourcing what was best for his car when he had it.... choosing a K&N panel if my memory serves me..... he isnt the only one to go down this path.... must you stereo type the effects of an induction kit to every car without actually knowing what your talking about?

    part of learning is listening to those that have done it and what experiances they have had.... yes i havent tried a cone myself, why? because from the evidence i have seen and read leads me to beleive that its pointless.... of course the likes of DPM/Awesome are going to tell you theres a benefit.... they are selling them!! just like half the brand names out there quoting extra bhp figures from their cones..... i could market a cone tomorrow quoting 20bhp extra for every car... btw its only 19.99 and comes with free postage
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    Better judgement doesnt change the facts.If you make a less restrictive path for the air to flow through it is better for your turbo.If the air is colder you will make more power,albeit only a tiny amount with an air filter change.
    You also get a filter that does not need changing and doesnt clog up as quickly as a paper one therefore loosing power,the gains are not just bhp/torque.
    An engine is an engine and they need cold air for better combustion,or is the S3 engine special?
    Wasnt Glens a smoothed/modified airbox with a big cold airfeed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    of course the likes of DPM/Awesome are going to tell you theres a benefit.... they are selling them!!

    True,but once you have one you dont need to keep buying replacements like you do with paper ones,so even if you dont gain any power and you keep the car long enough you cant loose,and if you dont keep the car sell the filter and recoup some of your cash,win,win.Sounds like a benefit to me.

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    yep it was a smoothed airbox and rediverted enlarged cold feed...NOT a cone..... i completely understand how the induction works.... but to prove a point here what is going to be more receptive to hot air? the sealed airbox or a cone that has had to have a box made for it, defeating the object entirely.....

    for the record i wasnt singing for the paper filter, if i were to change id go panel

    simple fact is you dont know because you have no factual experiance of this car, sorry to be a pooper but i'll trust the better judgement of those that have tried and tested this with this very car... the S3 isnt special, but if youhave a perfectly well designed airbox in the first place that doesnt offer many restrictions at all, then a cone filter will just offer you problems, by the time you've added the extra shielding, you will have lost your 1bhp increase in weight (if you get1bhp!)
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    the topic is not how long a filter lasts...although a K&N panel would solve this problem surely
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    the topic is not how long a filter lasts...although a K&N panel would solve this problem surely
    Who was it who said the

    of course the likes of DPM/Awesome are going to tell you theres a benefit

    Longevity is a benefit.

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    your completely missing the point, we were talking about the performance enhancing characteristics.... not longevity

    are you trying to sell me a cone filter james?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    but if youhave a perfectly well designed airbox in the first place that doesnt offer many restrictions at all

    Its not just the airbox thats needs modifying to get a smooth airflow,you need to look at the ridiculous pipe that feeds it with air.
    Perfectly well designed it maybe,for a family runaround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    your completely missing the point, we were talking about the performance enhancing characteristics.... not longevity

    are you trying to sell me a cone filter james?
    Purely on performance gains you are not going to get much,might get a faster spool up time if your lucky.

    I do have one for sale if you want it,guaranteed +25 bhp gains

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    Quote Originally Posted by james0808 View Post
    Its not just the airbox thats needs modifying to get a smooth airflow,you need to look at the ridiculous pipe that feeds it with air.
    Perfectly well designed it maybe,for a family runaround.
    didnt i say Glen had modified his cold feed? i think i did...yup i did... but didnt go cone

    how can you tie the well designed airbox to it being a family runaround? although i dont know many family runabouts with 3 doors - not really gonna bite fella to be honest, im sure your GT4 is the mutts nuts when compared in all aspects

    your using info from the forum to argue with me when all i have is info from the forum from soem well respected owners/ex owners of an S3... pointless and your argument is severely flawed in that your using generics to prove a point
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    Now who is missing the point?
    Im using info from all the years experience i have,which is quite alot with so many different marques.

    And yes your right my GT4 is the mutts nutts in comparison,never been beat by an S3 and doubt it ever will.

 

 
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