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    jabbasport remap VS REVO remap

    as titled, how do these compare? both custom remaps. looking for an aggressive map. have heard revo is an aggressive map, but im guessing you can ask jabba for an agressive map seeming as its custom?

    also do they raise the boost on the remaps? if so what to and do most remaps run the same boost levels?

    i just gotta decide between jabba and revo..

    thanks

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    Don't forget to take into account the more agressive map you run you may have to change the clutch to cope with the torque spike and delivery of power.

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    I use Revo as I can switch to standard anytime and its a bit tasty when it plants you into the seat,two years with the Revo and no problems with the clutch (cue clutch starts slipping) touch wood

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    and are you boys running custom maps on generic?

    if custom who did the mapping?

    this is the question that concerns me, obviously revo is a franchise, so theres quite a few places to choose from, but i get the idea that some companys using the revo software are ganna be better at mapping than others.. where as with jabba, they are reputable company and have alot of knowledge on VAG and the 20v turbo's, and obviously seem to be able to map a car to a high standard as have read alot of good things about them?

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    @ voorhees, Im new to the s3 remapping game what revo software do u have where u can switch back to standard? Sorry for the hijak

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    i have a Jabba remap i did briefly speak to them about how i wanted a progressive remap rather than something similar to revo. They said i wouldnt be dissapointed so i let them get on with it. Results were excellant 265bhp & runnning on 95ron, no clutch problems yet after 8months.
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    thats great matty, so with a v power map theres no doubt it could make around the 270bhp they claim..

    what does the car go like compared to it as standard?

    so theres no reason why they cant map it to a similar style to the revo then. jabba is looking the more promising of the 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevieyid View Post
    @ voorhees, Im new to the s3 remapping game what revo software do u have where u can switch back to standard? Sorry for the hijak
    the sps3 dongle is what I paid 300 quid for which allows you to change when you please,if you get a Revo done then get a switch off ebay

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodailydan View Post
    thats great matty, so with a v power map theres no doubt it could make around the 270bhp
    mine made 280 on the Dyno lottery

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    whats the difference like compared to stock power, is it that much of a difference like night and day?

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    revo is a generic map not a custom jobbie. But with the SPS 3 system you can tweak it yourself.
    Jabba used to only do custom maps on the RR years ago, but now do cheaper generic ones too.

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    yep it is

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    Revo would be good cause you can change boost timings etc & fuel type being used, lots of options via the SPS dongle where as Jabba is a set map with no changes unless you went back to them.

    But saying that Jabba maps have a very good rep, but I've had Revo on 2 cars & both were very good & no clutch problems at all, mine had revo for 4 years I think & still same clutch.

    I now have an AMD map that my mate Simon who owns AMD now did, he was Revo before so he has fair bit knowledge, give Si a call fella in Surrey not Essex & talk with him, I'm sure he would give you a nice price if you like what he says & mention my name might help the price, I can always mail him saying you are a mate, but if Jabba are nearer then try them as they also are good from all reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodailydan View Post
    thats great matty, so with a v power map theres no doubt it could make around the 270bhp they claim..

    what does the car go like compared to it as standard?

    so theres no reason why they cant map it to a similar style to the revo then. jabba is looking the more promising of the 2.
    Put it like this my mate has a Focus RS 212bhp front wheel drive hardly any toys & around 1200kg before the map i didnt stand a chance (the RS is a quick car no lie). Now i m on par with him so the extra power about 40bhp has accounted for tranmission losses of a 4 wheel drive system, about 150kgs ish of additional weight & makes me smile alot. The 225 S3 & TT should really have come more power out of the factory.


    I recon if i ran 98ron+ & lost a bit of weight somewhere i could take the RS. The S3 is more of a luxury / performance / comfort cruiser unlike the CTR, FRS, SLCR & many others.
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    What he's trying to say is Revo, Jabba, whoever they all have the same kinda power levels & believe me, its fecking fun & nice to drive, power increase is incredible TBH, the boost kick from 2.5k is alot better.

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    I love these X maps vs. Y maps threads, there will always be all these for and against arguements from those who have these paticular maps. You really need to ask someone nicely and go for a testdrive. All these dyno figures are inconclusive in my opinion, has anyone actually taken 2 like for like S3's down a strip, one running an X map and the other running a Y map, and who actually won? Then you will moan about the drivers being inconsistant.



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    But we're not talking neccessarily about whose the fastest cause you could be the fastest then have a fecked clutch afterwards & end up going home on the back of an AA truck, its about the cost, the power, the after effects it leaves etc etc, personally the Revo actually has a 5 hour free test drive program so you can do that at least with there's, others you cant no?? Or am I misinformed about others?

    I am not saying go with certain one, just giving the info I know of to help you decide which is better for you, Jabba & Revo are good IMHO, alot are good but its what you want out of it & so you know what it could do to the car with so much power.

    & you are absolutely fecking spot on about dyno figures I dont put stock in them TBH, there are so up/down its like a bloody fair ground ride.

    There are very inconsistent & no way can compare to driving down a nice road to test drive.
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    Generic or Custom........hhhhmmmmmmm !!!
    Let me think ?????

    One that's designed for someone else's car.......
    or......
    One designed for my car........hhhmmmmmmmmm !!!!! Lol..
    revo'd

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    oh yeah for sure, would def go for a custom map over a generic for the simple fact that every car is different. the argument is, what is better, a revo custom map or a jabba custom map?

    but i guess at the end of the day the map is as ganna be as good as the guy whos mapping it....

    but i think im ganna go for a jabba

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodailydan View Post
    as titled, how do these compare? both custom remaps. looking for an aggressive map. have heard revo is an aggressive map, but im guessing you can ask jabba for an agressive map seeming as its custom?

    also do they raise the boost on the remaps? if so what to and do most remaps run the same boost levels?

    i just gotta decide between jabba and revo..

    thanks

    They're both relatively agressive, and both raise boost to about 1.35-1.45 bar. With the Revo you have the option of paying a little more and getting the SPS3 thingy, but then you'll probably just set it to where you want it and leave it - kinda pointless if you're getting a custom map anyway.

    Go for the one that's closer to home
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    Well I spoke with them earlier today, the guy was very helpful TBH on info I was asking to put on the forum, I think its a good choice, they seem to be the mappers of the moment TBH & have a good rep, so dont think you can do wrong mate.

    But do note the custom map does have about 80% of the generic map anyway mate, thats exactly what I was told by them today, by Jabba, no BS either, they just tweak it for your car depending on the fitted kit etc like ecu, turbo etc, but there generic maps might be different to Revo's anyway.

    But as Revo has a free trial for 5 hours why dont you just give that a go, its free mate, anything thats free is always nice to have, lol, did on my S3 when I had it, bloody hell it was a huge improvement, well impressed & I'm sure Jabba's would be the same.

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    yeah thats right id assume they would start with a generic base map and the tweek the fueling/ignition etc to suit the type and style of power delivery the customer is after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChriS3 View Post
    They're both relatively agressive, and both raise boost to about 1.35-1.45 bar. With the Revo you have the option of paying a little more and getting the SPS3 thingy, but then you'll probably just set it to where you want it and leave it - kinda pointless if you're getting a custom map anyway.

    Go for the one that's closer to home
    Chris is right TBH, if customed no point having the dongle, I had the SPS3 & I only used it twice, I set it to whatever my Revo guy said was best & never changed it, lol, cost me 150 but got that back anyway nearly so no loss.

    It allowed timing, boost & fuel difference changes so if you like to run it on road & tracks I think its handy for that maybe, as I never used it of the one setting couldnt really say it was of any use, except for valet mode should it go into audi.

    Yes I would say Revo is agressive, but hell of alot of fun & kind to my clutch aswell, I sold it short while ago, same clutch & worked perfectly for the buyer, had the map on there for I think 4 years, never had an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodailydan View Post
    yeah thats right id assume they would start with a generic base map and the tweek the fueling/ignition etc to suit the type and style of power delivery the customer is after.
    Thats exactly right what your saying, thats 100% what they told me.

    They look at the ecu, turbo, exhaust etc etc what is on your car & use a map they have as a base reference with your car config, then they adjust it to your style & what they think is best, thats what I've always known they do anyway but I called Jabba to ask how they approach it as I dont like to quote things unless I do at least know its right.

    I would say you would be very comfortable using them.

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    I took my S3 to Jabbasports after my buddy had his Golf done there a couple of years ago, and he is really picky about who he lets touch his car. So I gave them a call and they asked me how I would like it mapped, progressive power or 'AGRESSIVE POWER' and they asked what fuel I use, which is V Power all the time. So I booked it in for progressive power as that's my style.
    I spoke to Mike the guy who does the Remaps after he did the test drive and he said the dyno showed the car was down to 202 bhp before the mapping and up to 275 bhp after the map, thou I have heard people say that the dyno there is a bit fictional at times, but numbers are just numbers, but what is important to me is the driveability of the car, and that was awesome, a total transformation.
    3 months after the remap everthing is still as good as day one.
    Many people on here rate REVO and why not, they have been around a while now and you also have the adjustability with the SPS3 thingy, but IMHO I would highly rate Jabbasport for their quality remap, customer care and their aftersales help.
    The tea ain't bad there either!
    Good luck buddy

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    You sure with 275bhp, but not saying its wrong just curious, is that with anyother fitted components over stock or just a remap?

    Is yours a 210 or 225? Cause if it was 225 then down by 20bhp seems a hell of a difference?

    Its as someone else quoted on here, he called Revo & asked them about Dyno figures, Revo said they arent really a good comparison cause some only use one fan, that fan could be a very low rpm, etc etc lots of variables which is why you could get so many different readings from different dyno's, so it cant compare to the open road unfortunately.

    But I would say you would be at least 260-265 ish as thats seems the norm on those maps.

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    ko4 isnt a very big turbo so doubt it can flow any more than 290bhp at a guess? but 260 - 270bhp sounds about right for 1.4bar (ish).

    end of the day dynos are a just as tool for tuning, every reading should be taken with a pinch of salt in my opinion. as long as it performs good on the road then thats all that should matter

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    is there any point in getting a custom mapp on a standard engine then as the generic mapp should be designed to work with the ecu, turbo, injecors etc that came with that engine code that they use to get the correct generic mapp in the first place for your car,
    as im looking at getting a mapp in the near future and was going to get a custom code phase 1 generic mapp as my engine is standard and going to stay that way i think

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    well if you notice that they say power will be from 255bhp to 275bhp with a generic map,as every engine is different. some will make different power to others, thats why a custom map is better as they can tailor the map to suit your car.

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    custom code all the way lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbodailydan View Post
    well if you notice that they say power will be from 255bhp to 275bhp with a generic map,as every engine is different. some will make different power to others, thats why a custom map is better as they can tailor the map to suit your car.
    they cant use a mapp from a BAM engine or AMK on my APY engine code they would have to use a mapp for my APY engine so there seems to be no benefit in the custom mapp on a standard set up except for driver specific requierments, thats how i see it unless they did use a mapp for all engine codes as one mapp then id definently want a custom,

    thats what i meant in my 1st post so effectivly what i meant was the mapp should already suit my standard engine with no further tweeking

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1animal1 View Post
    custom code all the way lol
    so is yours the generic mapp??

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    Quote Originally Posted by s3_kev View Post
    they cant use a mapp from a BAM engine or AMK on my APY engine code they would have to use a mapp for my APY engine so there seems to be no benefit in the custom mapp on a standard set up except for driver specific requierments, thats how i see it unless they did use a mapp for all engine codes as one mapp then id definently want a custom,

    thats what i meant in my 1st post so effectivly what i meant was the mapp should already suit my standard engine with no further tweeking
    I had APY & got about 260-265 with the correct Revo SPS3 settings, never changed them TBH, I beleive APY were one of the best to have for tuning, correct me if I'm wrong.

    You would be over the damn moon with a generic one anyway mate, I didnt uprate my exhaust, turbo, clutch etc, I changed the DV, airbox & I was more than happy with mine for 7 years, couldnt see point in spending so much money for so little gain, paid 450 for my original remap & thats gotta be the best money ever spent on that car, the difference was astounding.

    I test drove the free trial for 5 hours, but got down the road after 10 minutes & rang the guy back & said ok be back tomorrow to get it permanently on the car, lol, lol.

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    Hey Nigel
    I've got the 210bhp AMK engine, with Forge DV and Jabbasports Induction Kit, not much to get a power gain from. Too be honest the quoted Jabbasports dyno 275bhp figure or whatever the real figure might be is just numbers, but the driveability difference is what matters, and it was very noticeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s3_kev View Post
    thats what i meant in my 1st post so effectivly what i meant was the mapp should already suit my standard engine with no further tweeking
    yes a generic map will work fine, but what im saying is although all engines are built in the same factory you will rarely get 2 identical engine running the same power, lots of factors involved like how the engine was run in etc. also things like sensor readings/voltages may varie from car to car. so a custom map would be the best way to extract the most from the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wingnut Express View Post
    Hey Nigel
    I've got the 210bhp AMK engine, with Forge DV and Jabbasports Induction Kit, not much to get a power gain from. Too be honest the quoted Jabbasports dyno 275bhp figure or whatever the real figure might be is just numbers, but the driveability difference is what matters, and it was very noticeable.
    Noticeable is a lite word hey fella, it kicked the arse out of anything at the time, god it had an incredible boost of power.

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    Jojo, you must still be away doing your homework on remap effects and AA membership costs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaSarthe&Back View Post
    Jojo, you must still be away doing your homework on remap effects and AA membership costs!
    I'm just annoyed that my prehistoric AmD map only has 6 files, whilst everyone else has 20 or so files on their remap.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    I'm just annoyed that my prehistoric AmD map only has 6 files, whilst everyone else has 20 or so files on their remap.
    lol, yeah but bet it still goes like **** of a shovel, think my remap was a very early one to mate, I'll have to ask Si@AMD about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s3_kev View Post
    so is yours the generic mapp??
    No idea mate, although id hazard a guess at the name..... they are offering 30% off at the minute and will come to you anywhere in the country.....bit of a smoother map than the revo....power all the way through the gears rather than a lump in the middle..... I thought this would be kinder on the car but from what i have read, its no biggy....

    Im pleased and would defo build them into your decision, although im yet to go head to head with a Revo or other...to see any big difference

    Actually think the stage 1 is generic and stage 2/3 are custom....but open to being told otherwise..... when they installed it they set it up knowing i was using Vpower(enhancing the settings i think)..... does this make it custom.....
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