Monster MotorsportChris Nott
Results 1 to 36 of 36
  1. #1
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Bromley
    Posts
    305

    Engine Conversions.

    Right, before i head anywhere near Impossible performance later this year for big BHP conversion, i wanna know one thing. Is it possible in theory, or has it been done :

    Putting the 2.7 twin turbo engine from the RS4 or the 4.2 twin turbo engine from the RS6 into the A3. Im sure ive seen pics of one on here and would like to know who did it, what was needed for it.

    I believe i will need......

    Engine, loom, gearbox, driveshafts

    What else? All help and ideas welcome and before anyone asks, yes i have got loads of money to play with [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

  2. # ADS
    ADS
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Global
    Posts
    Many
     
  3. #2
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Clearfield, PA
    Posts
    892

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    and looooooaooaaaaaaaaddsddddddsssssssaaaaaaa MONEY!!!

  4. #3
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Bromley
    Posts
    305

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    money wont be a problem, sourcing the engine etc will be though [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

  5. #4
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Clearfield, PA
    Posts
    892

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    thing is why buy just an engine.. a friend of a friend of a friend can get you any car u want for under 3k...

    except porsche etc..

    although not legal.. but if u want it for parts then im sure thats right up your alley.. lol..

  6. #5
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Bromley
    Posts
    305

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    no, im praying some poor sod is gonna stack his RS4/RS6 and write it off (not getting hurt in the process, wouldnt wish that on anyone) so i can have the engine etc from the scrappy [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

  7. #6
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Clearfield, PA
    Posts
    892

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    lol...

    yeah but with them type of cars! it aint gunna be a nice crash!

  8. #7
    HTC
    HTC's Avatar
    6th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Koh Samui, Thailand
    Posts
    3,402

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Yeah, there is that MTM S3 thats got the 2.7 bi-turbo.

    If money isn't an object, I'd get and S3 or A3 quattro with a dodgy engine for the base.

    You're gonna want 4WD

  9. #8
    4th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Clearfield, PA
    Posts
    892

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    true..

  10. #9
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Bromley
    Posts
    305

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    right, i would prefer 4wd, shouldnt be too hard to get it converted etc with the right gearbox driveshafts etc. I may give them a ring and ask about it.

  11. #10
    RichA3Turbo's Avatar
    ...Watching you!

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Earlsfield, London
    Posts
    5,087

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    [ QUOTE ]
    Stuart_A3_Turbo said:
    right, i would prefer 4wd, shouldnt be too hard to get it converted etc with the right gearbox driveshafts etc. I may give them a ring and ask about it.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Bit harder than you may think. completely rubuild the rear end, and the whole floor pan to accomodate the driveshaft. definately easier and cheaper to buy a T quattro.

    The RS4/S4 2.7T JUST fits in, but cost would be in excess of 15k, and MTM used a steering rack from a Ford festa to get it to fit. Its not an easy or straight forward job, and most probably would be able to do it.

    Why not consider a VR6 engine, and whack a big F*** off supercharger on it, or get THAT twin turbo'd? there is a HGP V6 4 motion golf is Germany pushing out 550bhp from the 2.8VR6. A very tidy installation aswell. This would be a much better conversion and SOOO much cheaper. The work would be a millino times easier as it would be a pretty much straight swap.

    Rich

    Rich

  12. #11
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    1,361

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    The fact is Stuart, everything is possible.

  13. #12
    RichA3Turbo's Avatar
    ...Watching you!

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Earlsfield, London
    Posts
    5,087

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Stuart,

    See this site.

    HGP Turbo

    HGP Turbo - 2.8 V6 Turbo kits

    Rich

  14. #13
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Bromley
    Posts
    305

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Thanks Rich, im just looking into alternative options, i may have money but i dont quite have more than 15k. If i had that much, id have a skyline GTR by now! I have so many plans, i just dont know what to do [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Oh well, 4 grand for 400bhp is starting to look like a very good prospect [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

  15. #14
    RichA3Turbo's Avatar
    ...Watching you!

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Earlsfield, London
    Posts
    5,087

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    The HGP twin turbo VR6 does 0-60 in 4.2 seconds [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jawdrop.gif[/img]

  16. #15
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    There was an (IIRC) A!Avantgarde A3 with either the 4.2 or 2.7T (I forget which) but they had to extend the front end just a bit, AND fit the engine longitudinal, forsaking the front wheel drive bits and making it RWD [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

  17. #16
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    1,361

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    [ QUOTE ]
    Drill said:
    There was an (IIRC) A!Avantgarde A3 with either the 4.2 or 2.7T (I forget which) but they had to extend the front end just a bit, AND fit the engine longitudinal, forsaking the front wheel drive bits and making it RWD [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

    [/ QUOTE ]

    Exactly what i would do if I was considering major changes, RWD!! Probably put the engine back there as well. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  18. #17
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Yup, RWD 4.2 V8 A3




    But can't seem to find any info, [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] just pics [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

  19. #18
    RichA3Turbo's Avatar
    ...Watching you!

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Earlsfield, London
    Posts
    5,087

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Sweet Jesus [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img]

  20. #19
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Actually, I like Daniels idea, get a 4.2T from an RS6 and set it in the rear [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  21. #20
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    Central Scotland
    Posts
    253

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Drill, thanks for the picture! It is now in pride of place... My Wallpaper on the desktop!

  22. #21
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    No prob dude, Google's a beautiful thing [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  23. #22
    Ess_Three's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Aberdeenshire
    Posts
    5,385

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    [ QUOTE ]
    Drill said:



    [/ QUOTE ]

    What an intersting prospect:
    Take one of the class's worst, most dead and understeering chassis...and add an extra 150Kgs above, and in front of, the front wheel line.

    If A3s understeered before...what'll it be like with that monster in the engine bay?

    Oh yeah...if you can stop the front ploughing straight on at every conceivable opportunity, it'll snap sidewards under the merest hint of any throttle. Bravo.

    What a wonderful conversion...the product of a 'care in the community' programme methinks.


    I want a shot, though! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

  24. #23
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Hey now, he aked about engine conversions [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angel.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    But I think Gambba's idea of planting the engine in the rear would help solve your problem [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  25. #24
    Ess_Three's Avatar
    Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Aberdeenshire
    Posts
    5,385

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    [ QUOTE ]
    Drill said:
    But I think Gambba's idea of planting the engine in the rear would help solve your problem [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]


    [/ QUOTE ]

    Yeah...that engine just behind the driver...that'd do it.
    Plenty of room up front for radiators and intercoolers too!

  26. #25
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    You know, you think about it as rationally as ya want, but the IDEA itself of jamming a V8 into an A3 is just...... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  27. #26
    RichA3Turbo's Avatar
    ...Watching you!

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Earlsfield, London
    Posts
    5,087

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Hows about planting the engine in the back, and the haldex in the front, therefore making a rear biased 4wd A3 with 500+bhp and a 4,2 V8 twin turbo!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

  28. #27
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    IIRC the problem with the Haldex was that it was designed for transverse engines, but the V8 is too long to fit in the A3 chassis that way [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] So (once again IIRC) what they did on the V8 above is, modified a torsen setup, and simply excluded the front diff/axle [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

  29. #28
    tennisguy's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    82

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Do you have a website, Drill? I am so keen to see it....
    Actually, there is a european guy who stay here in Bangkok, Thailand, did the conversion like that but I havent seen it. It was my friend who told me that.

    Not sure to believe him or not.


  30. #29
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Sorry Dude, not mine [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I just remembered seeing it in an OLD thread and googled-it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  31. #30
    tennisguy's Avatar
    Neutral

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Location
    Bangkok
    Posts
    82

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    I know it is not yours dude. Just want to have more detail. but thanks anyway. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

  32. #31
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Oh, whoops my bad dude [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

    I looked, but couldn't find anything but pics, sorry [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  33. #32
    PaulS3's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    988

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Nice rear end [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

    here is more on that 4.2 a3.

    http://www.audi.itgo.com/a3snel.html

  34. #33
    Drill's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Land of Good Beer, and better Roads :-p
    Posts
    928

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Thanks Paul, but I'm married

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/lol.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

  35. #34
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    133

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    Kim Collins has a S3 (450bhp) with a 2.7 bi-turbo from the RS4 he also took the RS4's 4 wheel drive system too so its real 4 wheel drive, have a search of the forums its in one of them somewhere. When u say cost dosnt matter i think he was quoting 50k to do it again. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue_out.gif[/img]

  36. #35
    PaulS3's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    988

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    I took the pics at Castle Coombe.

    warning these are HUGE some are 2MB, seemed a shame to shrink them for the web.

    view actual size for greater detail.

    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img]

    450 BHP RS4 powered S3.


  37. #36
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Liverpool
    Posts
    140

    Re: Engine Conversions.

    my god that car is fantastic!!!

    I would sell my left lung and right kidney to have that!!!!!

    Shaaaaa-wing!!!!!!!
    [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img]

 

 

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO

Garage Plus, Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO