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    Non Facelift to Facelift S3

    Hi all

    I just wanted to know is it difficult to make a non facelift S3 into a facelift model, is it just the lights that needs changing on the front and back or are there other differences??

    I so badly want one, but the facelift models are so expensive

    Any help/info would be much appreciated

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    Not a lot changed really.....

    non-model specific a3/s3 facelift car changes:

    Larger door mirror on passenger side
    New grain on instrument panel
    New grain on door trim
    Passenger seat height adjustable
    New sports seats
    New seat cloth designs and colours
    4 antenna diversity
    Improved front and rear bumper joint pattern
    New door strikers on b and c pillars
    New design wing-mirrors
    White side inicators
    New lever for longitudinal seat movement
    New front wings
    Different range of wheels
    new eplisoid fog lamps
    new abs/esp control unit
    new front spoiler
    new grille trim
    new exterior colours
    new elipsoid headlamps
    optional xenon headlamps
    new 5-speed tip-tronic option for 130 and 180bhp engines
    1.9 tdi 130 BHP quattro option
    1.6 102bhp option
    new front shock absorbers
    reinforced steering column
    new multifunction steering wheel and tiptronic option
    next generation immobiliser
    new centre console with new ashtray and cupholder
    Aluminium trim in interior
    Navi+ satnav option and symphony option
    illuminated airvents
    2-stage gas boot lifters
    new tailgate buffers
    boot handle flush with body outline
    electric tailgate opener
    new rear badging
    new design tail-lights
    new rear shock absorbers
    new handbrake
    new gear knob
    new climate control controls
    optional wood inlay
    crash optimised pedals
    new antiroll bars on wishbone
    new shock springs
    6 speed manual option on tdi 130/180 quattro.
    Last edited by madvw; 26th July 2007 at 12:23.


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    Thanks for that quick response, from an external point of view, would it just be the lights that needs changing, i think its the wing indicators as well isnt it???

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    Quote Originally Posted by madvw
    Not a lot changed really.....

    non-model specific a3/s3 facelift car changes:

    Larger door mirror on passenger side
    New grain on instrument panel
    New grain on door trim
    Passenger seat height adjustable
    New sports seats
    New seat cloth designs and colours
    4 antenna diversity
    Improved front and rear bumper joint pattern
    New door strikers on b and c pillars
    New design wing-mirrors
    White side inicators
    New lever for longitudinal seat movement
    New front wings
    Different range of wheels
    new eplisoid fog lamps
    new abs/esp control unit
    new front spoiler
    new grille trim
    new exterior colours
    new elipsoid headlamps
    optional xenon headlamps
    new 5-speed tip-tronic option for 130 and 180bhp engines
    1.9 tdi 130 BHP quattro option
    1.6 102bhp option
    new front shock absorbers
    reinforced steering column
    new multifunction steering wheel and tiptronic option
    next generation immobiliser
    new centre console with new ashtray and cupholder
    Aluminium trim in interior
    Navi+ satnav option and symphony option
    illuminated airvents
    2-stage gas boot lifters
    new tailgate buffers
    boot handle flush with body outline
    electric tailgate opener
    new rear badging
    new design tail-lights
    new rear shock absorbers
    new handbrake
    new gear knob
    new climate control controls
    optional wood inlay
    crash optimised pedals
    new antiroll bars on wishbone
    new shock springs
    6 speed manual option on tdi 130/180 quattro.
    Isn't he refering to the 8L changes on the S3? There aren't that many are there??
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    yep, those are 8L facelift items.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nilz18t
    Thanks for that quick response, from an external point of view, would it just be the lights that needs changing, i think its the wing indicators as well isnt it???
    Externally visible facelift changes:

    new headlamps
    new side repeaters (different shape to fit new wings)
    new Wings
    new rear tail-lamps
    new rear bootlid with body flush lock and concealed opener.
    new shape wingmirrors
    new shape foglamps
    new badging


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    Okay I'll try again!

    Quote Originally Posted by Hotscar
    Isn't he refering to the 8L changes on the S3?
    Are they all pertinent to the S3??
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    My car has aluminium tailgate struts - is that standard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwstewart
    My car has aluminium tailgate struts - is that standard?
    nope


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotscar
    Okay I'll try again!



    Are they all pertinent to the S3??
    I guess those applicable to the S3 facelift would be:

    Larger door mirror on passenger side
    New grain on instrument panel
    New grain on door trim
    4 antenna diversity
    Improved front and rear bumper joint pattern
    New door strikers on b pillars
    New design wing-mirrors
    White side indicators
    New front wings
    new eplisoid fog lamps
    new abs/esp control unit
    new exterior colours
    new elipsoid headlamps
    reinforced steering column
    new multifunction steering wheel and tiptronic option
    next generation immobiliser
    new centre console with new ashtray and cupholder
    Navi+ satnav option and symphony option
    illuminated airvents
    2-stage gas boot lifters
    new tailgate buffers
    boot handle flush with body outline
    electric tailgate opener
    new rear badging
    new design tail-lights
    new rear shock absorbers
    new handbrake
    new gear knob
    new climate control controls
    optional wood inlay
    crash optimised pedals


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    forget all those...lol (good job with that though) Get the headlights changed, get the rear lights changed, both fron grill badge and rear boot badge (s3) change these, sum newer side repeaters and a flat boot trim over the number plate and a private plate no one will ever know

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    Quote Originally Posted by madvw
    Improved front and rear bumper joint pattern
    New door strikers on b pillars
    White side indicators
    Just wanted to say my early 99' S3 has white indicators, I'd be interested to know what these new strikers on the b-pillar is or look like and is there a difference in the bumper join pattern on facelifts?


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    an early 99 is likely to be a hybrid pre/post facelift.

    The pre-facelift repeates were square, the post facelift were lozenge shaped, kinda oblong and clear.
    The facelift door strikers were chromed.

    no idea what the improved joint pattern means!


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    Quote Originally Posted by madvw
    an early 99 is likely to be a hybrid pre/post facelift.
    He did specifically ask about pre and post facelift S3 info.

    The pre-facelift repeates were square, the post facelift were lozenge shaped, kinda oblong and clear.
    The facelift door strikers were chromed.
    S3's only had one facelift, but A3's(since they we're released around 1996?) had 2 facelifts which I know of... so facelift S3's have chrome door strikers!, very bling!

    Can someone shed some light on this new bumper join/pattern please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo
    S3's only had one facelift, but A3's(since they we're released around 1996?) had 2 facelifts which I know of...
    eh?

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    my W (2000) reg S3 has white side indicators. looking on piston heads all the S3 have them. I dont think the S3 had as many changes as the A3 (i could be wrong) This wing mirror one gets me though, larger passenger side? Im pretty sure both my wing mirrors are identicle, unlike some cars e.g. seat ibiza and old 190e mercs.

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    Yeah, good work with the list Mad but I don't think it's that accurate! Did they do optional wood inlays on the S3 and are the wings different from pre to post facelift S3's (8L)?
    Unmolested Ming blue S3 (so it doesn't handle or stop very well), Bose, sunroof and centre armrest but no heated seats - Gone but not forgotten although I am enjoying the new 350CLK!

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    I think the only things you need to worry about our both front and rear lights, badges front and rear and the trim above the number plate on the boot.

    www.netcarshow.com

    has all the relevant images for both pre and post facelift.

    If the wings changed then its must of been something soooo minor. The repeaters have always been the same shape and always clear, i just updated mine to some crystal ones to make it that bit more modern. Frosted repeaters are sooooo 90's lol.

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    the lights front and rear are also straight swap arent they? and if the repeaters are the same, which they r......then the wings cannot be that different surely!

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    Im sure pre facelift cars had square repeaters, so the recess in the wing would also be square

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    I have a 99 Pre facelift and the wings on mine are exactly as the newer ones, same repeaters.....

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    A3's had square repeaters, but the S3 always had the rectangular white ones i think. The rears are a straight swap the fronts require a little more work theres a sticky about them at the top of this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotscar
    Yeah, good work with the list Mad but I don't think it's that accurate! Did they do optional wood inlays on the S3 and are the wings different from pre to post facelift S3's (8L)?
    nah it's not that accurate unfortunately - the list and diagrams ive got just show the generic 8L facelifted items, and are not specific to the S3.

    I dont think wood was an option on the S3

    The wings are different, to accomodate the single unit headlamps.


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    I think we need to be clear that facelift S3's have different front wings to accomodate the facelift headlights, hence the need for some chopping of the wing, for facelift headlamps to fit!
    A3's have had to facelifts in it's life, they had square indicators and flushed door handles from Audi 80's when released, for the first facelift, it was oblong indicators and newer door handles. 2nd facelift is the single piece headlamps and clear/red rear lights.


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