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    clutch slip at 280bhp?

    hey all, i was out with a mate the other day in the s3 (280bhp apy with mods in my sig) and tried a launch for the first time since the remap a few months back and i got massive clutch slip? doesnt slip under normal/aggressive driving... apparently the car had a clutch in 2011, theres a receipt for one in the history but thats all, does a stock clutch start letting go at 280bhp?
    im thinking it was probably fitted with a patent part (if it was done at all) as most people go for the cheaper option on older cars... i will find the receipt in a bit.

    what options do i have as far as a new clutch, audi part good for 300bhp? vr6 clutch an option? reasonably priced aftermarket clutches?
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    Wouldnt be surprised. Ive just had mine replaced and the old one was only 18 months old and covered 20k.

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    couldnt tell you about the clutch option but when i launched my a few weeks back in the wet, all was well, did it in the dry had clutch slip, did it again in the dry last week and it was fine, try and again see if it does it again, might of just been having an off day

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    The Ka-ching machine working again just as mapping life begins.

    Ah if it was only the simple cost of the £250+ to simply map your car.
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    i will have another go... the guy with me was 16 stone lol! just found the paper work, supply and fit on 27/7/2011 340 quid. with a credit card receipt so looks like it was done. mot in 2011 was 115000 now she is at 145000! musta been mostly motorway at that increase surely considering it was off the road for most of 2011/2012 with a blown turbo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoal007 View Post
    The Ka-ching machine working again just as mapping life begins.

    Ah if it was only the simple cost of the £250+ to simply map your car.
    lol... need it done before santapod starts calling!-)
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    Been loads of clutch threads recently mate... OE clutch is fine as long as you don't launch... VR6 clutch won't fit S3's... if you plan to go to pod you could do worse than fit the clutch I have... LuK standard DMF, LuKstd pressure cover and Sachs 4 puck paddle clutch plate... you can launch the crap out of it, light as an OE clutch and not at all grabby

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    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    Been loads of clutch threads recently mate... OE clutch is fine as long as you don't launch... VR6 clutch won't fit S3's... if you plan to go to pod you could do worse than fit the clutch I have... LuK standard DMF, LuKstd pressure cover and Sachs 4 puck paddle clutch plate... you can launch the crap out of it, light as an OE clutch and not at all grabby

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    Any reason why you went for a LUK over Sachs DMF?

    Is is there any difference in the torque capacity of the Sachs vs LUK DMF or standard clutch?

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    cheers tuf, is luk a standard part, patent or aftermarket?
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    i see just googled, will i defo need too do the fly then? also is the smf not an option mate, seem to be cheaper and i know theres loadsa topics on which is best but your opinion is highly rated? rode in one with a smf and was a bit noisier?
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    280 quid for just the plate eeek tuft... need something a bit more budget! has anyone tried this, supposedly good for 340lbft???
    not so fussed that its smf tbh, maybe i will have second thoughts once driven tho.

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    I personally wouldn't touch techniclutch, just google them and read all the horror stories of standard clutches painted red etc,

    We fitted one to my friends astra turbo and it slipped worse than the standard one we took out.

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    Clutches seem to be a bit of a grey area on here, the only people who have told me what they run and would recommend has been tufty and rob. Im swinging towards this at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary_808 View Post
    I personally wouldn't touch techniclutch, just google them and read all the horror stories of standard clutches painted red etc,

    We fitted one to my friends astra turbo and it slipped worse than the standard one we took out.
    What sort of dates were those horror stories though?

    I've had my SMF that is basically a Techniclutch set up and I've had no issues with it since it was put in over a year ago. I will also be going back to them for the clutch kit once it needs replacing and have no worry in going back to them.

    Justarn- have a search buddy...I'm sure that exact kit is on at least 2 lads cars on here. I think JoeS3 was recently opting for it also. As Tuffty has said this subject has been covered numerous times in the past few months dude - so have a hunt and maybe PM a few people that are running one already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam P View Post
    Clutches seem to be a bit of a grey area on here, the only people who have told me what they run and would recommend has been tufty and rob. Im swinging towards this at the moment.
    Have a more thorough search dude- many people have given recommendations and ideas on different options of clutches.

    The majority are all quiet expensive, importing from the US and also may lose the OEM feel that the majority wants.

    I remember last year when I was searching there were so many options and recommendations tbh - but I did literally spend hours upon hours reading through this forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by justarn View Post
    280 quid for just the plate eeek tuft... need something a bit more budget! has anyone tried this, supposedly good for 340lbft???
    not so fussed that its smf tbh, maybe i will have second thoughts once driven tho.

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    Been in 6 months or so and its lovely, very light with a nice bite and feel also seems to put power down well too I think.

    The offer on makes it a bargain too as I paid £400 and thought I had done well.
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    vr rob, have you launched yours mate? guessing you have similar power too me at stage 2?

    cheers people, i do need to have a read through the threads i guess.

    that one doesnt look bad adam, would need a flywheel though, im guessing if i have the original dmf its ready to fail already?
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    I would guesstimate mine is about 270-275bhp currently (never been on a dyno or any idea of torque)

    Yes I have launched a couple of times since the new clutch has bedded in, once in the wet and it gave me 4 wheel spinage and once in the dry but I didn't give it enough beans and it bogged down but no noticible clutch slip.

    I replaced my OEM clutch setup cos my gearbox went tits up so as that was coming out it was rude not to especially as my OEM one had done over 110k. So I wanted best bang for my budget and the setup I linked to seemed to fill those needs for me as im never going past stage 2 in this car.
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    cheers rob, yeah you really need to abuse an s3 to get the good launch. at santa pod before my remap i launched at 3,4, and 5k and bogged down resulting in low 15 sec quarter miles, then at the end of the day i dumped the clutch at 6k, got a 1.8s 60 ft and 14.6! i am fine with an aggresive pull away its just those darn lauches, my mate has a cam going in his r5 gtt at the moment ready for our next santa trip so he will be around 200bhp and 900kg!!! need a clutch lol...

    the guys just emailed me back about the original link i posted and advised this!?

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    cheers dude.
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    I have used techniclutch before and would use them again because (they are cheap) but be wary!

    Check everything thoroughly that they send.

    The last listing I bought was a Sachs VR6 clutch with VW flywheel and clutch cover bolts and a pattern flywheel. I even put in the notes of the listing please send actual VW bolts not monkey metal Taiwanese ones.

    I guessed he would try it on.
    What he sent me looked like rusty previously used pattern bolts with fresh loctite, I put in a request for a £30 partial refund on ebay and had the refund within minutes, he didn't even try to argue and I bought the bolts elsewhere online.

    If you're buying Sachs stuff from him like the carbon Sachs clutch above, its fine and he has good prices.
    It's just the made in china cheap stuff you need to be abit wary of. Thats what the complaints are generally about.

    One of my mates was sent the wrong flywheel and had issues getting a refund, but it was issued and he got the funds back.

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    cheers for the advise matey, carbon sach jobbie is appealing to me atm... anyone know if it will handle a 300bhp launch? (been toying with getting a big port head and re building it, my stem seals are a little leaky.. should get me nearer 300!-)

    could i swap the clutch in a weekend, done a vr6 one before with the engine in? im guessing we are talking engine out?
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    No need to take engine out, just drop subframe & remove transfer box.

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    Out of interest justarn, did u have traction control switched off when u tried to launch ??
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    pre facelift so no tc for me!-)
    kwistof and m19lte like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimS3 View Post
    No need to take engine out, just drop subframe & remove transfer box.
    and then the gearbox off of course?-) how long should i allow for a first attempt? ive dropped the sub frame before, guessing the downpipe has to come of again? if so uuuurgh lol.
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    its ok, just found this, very handy!-) 3 hours first time if nothing is stuck!

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    I have the same setup as Tuffty, fitted after his recommendation and more than happy with the results.
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