JMB RetrofitsAH Fabrications
Results 1 to 24 of 24
Like Tree3Likes
  • 1 Post By Nick101
  • 1 Post By badger5
  • 1 Post By Bad Sir Culation

Thread: Metal shavings in the oil strainer...... Should I be really worried??

  1. #1
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    287

    Metal shavings in the oil strainer...... Should I be really worried??

    Well this morning I have taken the sump off to change the oil strainer because I didn't like the way the car sounded when started up. It sounded very much like a diesel and I remember this being a symptom of a blocked oil pickup pipe strainer.

    So, having got the sump off despite the ball end on my 5mm long allen key snapping off in the head of one of the bolts, I took the strainer off to find this:

    shavings1.jpg

    shavings2.jpg

    To say I am worried about this would be an understatement!

  2. # ADS
    ADS
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Global
    Posts
    Many
     
  3. #2
    superkarl's Avatar
    MAN OF STEEL

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Liverpool/Southport. N west
    Posts
    7,542
    Unless you wana tear down you engine there isn't alot you can do.

  4. #3
    Andrew@A.L.D's Avatar
    Cylinder Head Master

    Status
    Online
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Leeds
    Posts
    3,472
    Has the head been skimmed at some point in its life?

    It looks like swaf left over that was stuck in the head after skimming but not fully blown out
    RIP S3dave/David Marshall stickers now available

    FOR SALE
    None resonated Milltek exhaust,
    Adjustable FPR from 1-5 bar, 2 sets of Unused ARP 3/8 2000 rod bolts, relentless 200 cell cat pipe, Std AGU Crankshaft. Ported & Reconditioned Cylinder head service.

  5. #4
    Banana Armour

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Leicestershire/Oxfordshire
    Posts
    171

    My Social Networking

    Visit aterro's Instagram Channel
    when turning my car over, it sounds like a diesel starting. but as soon as it fires, its sounds like a petrol.

    Its just similar sound to turning my TDI A3 Over and my S3.
    Is this normal? Eg the starter motor sound….

  6. #5
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    287
    No idea guys. It was a £1500 S3 with bugger all history, so anything is possible!

  7. #6
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    287
    Found a couple of reddish ceramic or plastic bits too. There's so much metal jammed into the strainer that I'm very glad I bought a replacement.

  8. #7
    RIP S3dave

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    nr Glos
    Posts
    7,195
    looks fecked to me Whats the coily thing? helicoil sump plug?

    looks nasty...

    not normal to sound like a diesel on startup no... that would be bearings and oil pressured related morwe than likely

    rebuild time to know its right
    **http://www.facebook.com/Badger5Ltd**

    NEW NEW NEW eShop now LIVE>
    www.badger5.biz

    Badger 5 Ltd, Queen Annes Gate, Oldends Lane, Stonehouse, Glos, GL10 2DG


    http://www.badger5.co.uk, Tel:01453822880
    bill@badger5.co.uk
    **NEW** Badger5 Section CLICK here>> http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/213-badger-5/

  9. #8
    Scullies's Avatar
    5th Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Dubai
    Posts
    1,260
    It does look like machining swarf, and a stripped sump bolt thread. Red stuff I would guess, cam chain tensioner guide. Wild guess tho

  10. #9
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    287
    Does look like machining swarf. No evidence of any metal in the oil filter etc. Fingers crossed!

    Have now got the sump back on, and just hoping the sealant is correct. Will find out in the morning when I fill it and run it.....

  11. #10
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    287
    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    looks fecked to me Whats the coily thing? helicoil sump plug?

    looks nasty...

    not normal to sound like a diesel on startup no... that would be bearings and oil pressured related morwe than likely

    rebuild time to know its right
    We'll see how it sounds when I refill it. Hopefully it's OK. There's just no way I could justify a rebuild on a £1500 car.

  12. #11
    Boost fiend

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Swansea
    Posts
    215
    Red bits could be broken bits of oil dipstick tube, common for them to break and go down the pipe.
    s3dave likes this.
    99' A3 1.8T Sport KO3s Custom Code stage 2 - Current

    99' A4 1.8T Quattro Sport 180 - Sold

    97' A3 1.8T Sport KO3s 236 BHP - Sold



  13. #12
    Sam_'s Avatar
    Down under

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    2,789
    Doesn't look ideal but if it was a cheap buy why not just tidy it up and just run it until you hit a problem? If you were lucky, the strainer did its job and caught most of it.
    Handling mods++. HTA3582 stroker soon-ish. Hiding parts from the mrs since 2011. Build thread

  14. #13
    s3dave's Avatar
    TFSI Hybrid

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    west yorks
    Posts
    10,121
    I always use a magnetic drain plug, it could save your engine being starved of oil...

    Like said its done its job, and you ave cleaned it fingers crossed for you all is well..

  15. #14
    RIP S3dave

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    nr Glos
    Posts
    7,195
    every ecs magnetic drain plug I have seen on every 1.8t thats been thru the workshop has damaged the sump threads

    hopefully there's another make which does'nt cause as much carnage
    Sam_ likes this.
    **http://www.facebook.com/Badger5Ltd**

    NEW NEW NEW eShop now LIVE>
    www.badger5.biz

    Badger 5 Ltd, Queen Annes Gate, Oldends Lane, Stonehouse, Glos, GL10 2DG


    http://www.badger5.co.uk, Tel:01453822880
    bill@badger5.co.uk
    **NEW** Badger5 Section CLICK here>> http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/213-badger-5/

  16. #15
    2nd Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Kilmarnock, Scotland
    Posts
    343
    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    every ecs magnetic drain plug I have seen on every 1.8t thats been thru the workshop has damaged the sump threads

    hopefully there's another make which does'nt cause as much carnage
    I use QPS mag plugs. They're peanuts to buy and I've never had any issues. I don't tend to over tighten things though and I'm generally careful. I can't really see how the plug could cause damage to threads on its own

  17. #16
    <tuffty/>'s Avatar
    Badger 5 Edition

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Gloucestershire
    Posts
    15,607
    Its the alloy ones that are the issue... kinda cold welds like stainless can

    <tuffty/>
    Silver 2001 AMK S3. Silver alcantara interior... now with added powarrrrrrrr, torques. VAGCOM + KII-USB. >> My build thread...

  18. #17
    Dani_B19's Avatar
    Audi-sports own special child.

    Status
    Online
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Barnsley
    Posts
    7,235
    If anyone knows of a decent magnetic plug let me know. The last "decent" one I bought cost me a frigging sump .
    Driving the most secretive S3 on ASN

  19. #18
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    287
    Well I got it all filled back up today and it's all running great. Well, I think I've managed to create an air leak somewhere as it's struggling to idle a bit (I know there's a jubilee clip I damaged and it isn't fully tight, so will swap it out), and there may be a very slight oil leak from the sump, but as far as the metal bits, rough sound on start up etc. it's all gone.

    Very pleased overall.
    bigray likes this.

  20. #19
    RIP S3dave

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    nr Glos
    Posts
    7,195
    cool & lucky too

    hope it continues
    **http://www.facebook.com/Badger5Ltd**

    NEW NEW NEW eShop now LIVE>
    www.badger5.biz

    Badger 5 Ltd, Queen Annes Gate, Oldends Lane, Stonehouse, Glos, GL10 2DG


    http://www.badger5.co.uk, Tel:01453822880
    bill@badger5.co.uk
    **NEW** Badger5 Section CLICK here>> http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/213-badger-5/

  21. #20
    Sam_'s Avatar
    Down under

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    2,789
    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    every ecs magnetic drain plug I have seen on every 1.8t thats been thru the workshop has damaged the sump threads

    hopefully there's another make which does'nt cause as much carnage
    Yep - mine came with an ECS sump plug (fitted by a local specialist) and after 2 oil changes, the threads came out with it.
    Handling mods++. HTA3582 stroker soon-ish. Hiding parts from the mrs since 2011. Build thread

  22. #21
    Sam_'s Avatar
    Down under

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    2,789
    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Sir Culation View Post
    Well I got it all filled back up today and it's all running great. Well, I think I've managed to create an air leak somewhere as it's struggling to idle a bit (I know there's a jubilee clip I damaged and it isn't fully tight, so will swap it out), and there may be a very slight oil leak from the sump, but as far as the metal bits, rough sound on start up etc. it's all gone.

    Very pleased overall.
    Nice one. A bit of TLC and they seem to last fairly well. I've done nearly 40,000km and not had any major issues. Touch wood.
    Handling mods++. HTA3582 stroker soon-ish. Hiding parts from the mrs since 2011. Build thread

  23. #22
    kwistof's Avatar
    South East Events Moderator

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    SE Kent
    Posts
    2,283

    My Social Networking

    Follow kwistof On Twitter Visit kwistof's Youtube Channel Visit kwistof's Instagram Channel
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_ View Post
    Yep - mine came with an ECS sump plug (fitted by a local specialist) and after 2 oil changes, the threads came out with it.
    This is worrying :-/

    I've had two oil changes with my ECS sump plug so far, so hope I don't run into this issue with the next one, although my sump threads never been great so I think a Forge baffled one for the new year is due for an order - and see how the ECS plugs in that being brand new.
    2000 S3 APY

    18" BBS RSII with Michelin PS3s, 20mm H&R adapters, Relentless 3" DP and Sports cat, B5 V1 induction kit, cone filter+heat shield, Forge 007P, Awesome GTI SMF, AP coilovers, Facelift rear lights, Full Powerflex poly bush kit, R32 Rear ARB, SAI delete, N249 by-pass, Upgraded Engine mounts with Polytek, Stage 1 CC at Badger 5.

  24. #23
    superkarl's Avatar
    MAN OF STEEL

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Liverpool/Southport. N west
    Posts
    7,542
    looking at alternatives to the ECS one:

    M14 x 1 5 Magnetic Oil Sump Drain Plug
    Which is expensive but they claim its the best.

    But my fav for price and looks:
    Magnetic Sump Plug M14 x 1.5. Oil Drain. FORD MAZDA VOLVO VW AUDI SKODA SEAT | eBay

    Just thinking that a magnet that protrudes is better than one that is flush, hmmmm....
    Last edited by superkarl; 29th December 2013 at 02:10.

  25. #24
    1st Gear

    Status
    Offline
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Leeds, UK
    Posts
    287
    I have always run magnetic plugs in the past and will probably do so again the next time I change the oil. I plan to change this in about 3k just to be sure everything is as it should be.

 

 

Similar Threads

  1. Is it worth me replacing the oil pump strainer?
    By Westy in forum A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 28th May 2010, 20:30
  2. 2 Q's: Changing the Oil and Camblet
    By fraz in forum TT/TT-S/TT-RS Forum
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: 7th January 2006, 14:58
  3. Is there a valve in the oil filter and cooler?
    By S3Si in forum A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 6th December 2005, 12:44
  4. S3 AMK Engine - Anyone know the oil filter part number ?
    By darko in forum A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 30th September 2005, 17:20
  5. Replies: 12
    Last Post: 19th April 2005, 13:27

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO

Garage Plus, Vendor Tools vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO