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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbuggy View Post
    Original 2275 is rated at 18lbs at 74% at 1.8 pr ..At 246 grams , assumed 24lbs it's running 72% at 2.3pr. It is the limit though! Compressor map stops at 25lbs..
    So russ' is performing way beyond what the comp map dictates using garretts 10hp/lb airflow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbuggy View Post
    be as many version as I can think of! 4/6/8/10/11 blade configurations are all possible. The 2283 7+7 that I'm using now was designed so the dreaded surge was eliminated. Once we've tested Gops version a decision will be made on which we run.. But as we are at the flow limit of the physical size of the compressor I think all gops might do is be more effecient or not ie flow the same but be in a better or worse % effeciency which will reduce or increase the charge temps which may aid timing .

    One me thing is for sure a nice set of 630cc will go well with these
    who has the 7 + 7 2283 wheel? Gazz's?

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    Gaz does, I think irish dave does too but don't quote me. .
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    Yeah I do also, but am having a load of issues with the car at the moment. Until I get these sorted I wont know how well it works on my set up. Although instead of water/meth inj I will be running a 10% meth to petrol mix.
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    All k04 hybrids since earlier on this year have had the 7+7.. I don't like the 6+6 version as in the k04 it surges..

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    Any idea what turbine wheel we settled on for my hybrid. Was it the tfsi or rs6
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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    So russ' is performing way beyond what the comp map dictates using garretts 10hp/lb airflow?
    well yes and the 2283 which is a 35lb wheel makes near 400bhp in a Tfsi and easily over 370bhp.. The ttrs wheel is rated at 41lbs but has seen 470.. So I think it's not quite true to say lb*10=bhp as we adding performance with wmi which obviously BW never accounted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishDave View Post
    Any idea what turbine wheel we settled on for my hybrid. Was it the tfsi or rs6
    When did you buy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbuggy View Post
    When did you buy it?
    I take it if mine has 7 'dual blades' thats a 7+7?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vroomtshh View Post
    I take it if mine has 7 'dual blades' thats a 7+7?
    Yes.. it's the same physical size as the original 2283 just the extra set of blades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowcoach3 View Post
    Ok I'll look into that, unisettings worries me a little but sure I can get my head around it. Is that to reduce the idc % of the '550's'?
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    Bought in July.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    So russ' is performing way beyond what the comp map dictates using garretts 10hp/lb airflow?
    Compressor flow.... if maf's reading accurately, and I have a question on that as it read very different numbers for same boost between runs (ecp maf!) so I dont know what to believe..

    either its 243g/s and wmi ign making the rest of the power... or its 262g/s I also logged + wmi contribution Both peaks at 1.4-1.45bar >6krpm
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    I think on extreme setups pushing boundaries and using chemical cooling and timing airflow goes out the window.
    Either way, its awesome.

    I thought it was cool that its running at way beyond the compressor map in terms of power.

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    maf's aside.... they usually under read on expected divide 0.8 g/s guide when making these "high" power figures, and its wmi contribution.

    often seen high g/s on cars without power to go with it...

    hybrids Need wmi to achieve the claimed numbers (or exceed them) in my experience.

    devils own basic wmi kit.. + solenoid upgrade ftw
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    ^ definitely not an aem progressive kit my controller died as soon as we needed it to work rip it out and add in some devil's own bits and back on track!
    The maf was weird sometimes it correlated 100% correctly and others it was as out of sync as my singing
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    That's why I've asked our dearest bill to pop WMI on my car when it's in and Dan I've got the 550's.. Should be enough on this setup?
    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    its either mapped or broken...

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    Very sensible with the wmi! My kit was a used one I picked up for about 50p with 20ltrs of meth, turns out the controller didn't work you'll be fine though especially with a devil's own kit. 550's should be enough. my 550's were acting strangely, say they were maxed out at 340 when they should be good for a fair bit more. I don't think they are fake but they're not quite correct lol
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    Were they new? Just had a gearbox rebuilt for me! Getting along now after abit of bad news!
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    its either mapped or broken...

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    Any idea at the moment Dan how much this entry level hybrid will be and if it will be available as an off the shelf complete unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wild willy View Post
    Any idea at the moment Dan how much this entry level hybrid will be and if it will be available as an off the shelf complete unit.
    I do, but I'm not allowed to advertise which I would be doing if I was to tell you that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbuggy View Post
    I do, but I'm not allowed to advertise which I would be doing if I was to tell you that.

    Would you be able to pm me a price please. Im still so undecided on what route to take and the more i look into it the more confused i get, is a manifold crucial to this. I decided to leave my standard on due to poor manifold options. And just had the engine rebuilt etc. Thanks. Daz

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    Yes a manifold would be crucial. Unfortunately we are all waiting for a reliable aftermarket manifold that works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishDave View Post
    Yes a manifold would be crucial. Unfortunately we are all waiting for a reliable aftermarket manifold that works.
    hmmmm

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    Bill are they as big of a job to fit as a relentless? Head off etc as ive literally just got mine back rebuilt. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbuggy View Post
    I do, but I'm not allowed to advertise which I would be doing if I was to tell you that.
    I'll pm you instead, the mean buggers, you've earned a free advertising pass in my eyes for services to Turbo's.

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    Nice bill and yes Karl my turbo has the 7+7 blade in it mate and my final numbers where 349bhp & 315fltb
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    hmmmm

    wonder if my number will change with this nice piece of kit hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    hmmmm

    Oh yes!
    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    its either mapped or broken...

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    B5 and Frankenturbo using jbs china-folds, must be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daz-20vt View Post
    Bill are they as big of a job to fit as a relentless? Head off etc as ive literally just got mine back rebuilt. Thanks
    they fit like OE ones do. turbo to manifold bolts from the top with real spanners and sockets!! lol
    still an awkward job on a quattro k04 car tho.. turbo hides some of the mani to head bolts.

    its not difficult to fit compared to "others"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    B5 and Frankenturbo using jbs china-folds, must be good.
    From the pics I believe it's fairly heavily reworked around the collector and head flange, but from what I've understood, the quality of the casting and material is outstanding.

    Really looking forward to the results from these Bill, hopefully it'll be the key ingredient everybody has been looking for!
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    Have they got over leaving sand stuck inside the runner walls....

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    hmmmm

    Finally.
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    Also how will these compare in regard to flow to "other" manifolds on the market.
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    Getting tested over Xmas dude. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowcoach3 View Post
    Getting tested over Xmas dude. .
    Santas testing it on his sleigh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishDave View Post
    Also how will these compare in regard to flow to "other" manifolds on the market.
    there is only one other.... lets face it..
    we know what it is... its shiney and tubular

    On 'others' testing (+year ago) this style of manifold is supporting good hybrid power.
    I dont rely on 'others' testing although I have their data and logs as we have been sharing info for many many months now, and it correlates. I do want to do my own, test car testing, which is planned for Xmas period..

    I know it works.. but I want to provide my own test data on a known car (our lupo)
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