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    throttle closing ?????

    can anyone help me understan my log a bit better from what i can see throttle is closing at 6000rpm

    Group A: '003 Group B: '115 Group C: '031
    RPM Mass Flow Load Ign. Timing RPM Load Absolute Pres. Absolute Pres. Lambda Factor Lambda Factor Bin. Bits Bin. Bits
    TIME TIME TIME
    Marker STAMP /min g/s % °BTDC STAMP /min % mbar mbar STAMP

    76.35 2000 23.81 15.7 24.8 76.65 2080 64.7 1730 1040 76.04 1.008 0.992
    77.25 2280 48.97 91 13.5 77.54 2400 111.3 2410 1340 76.95 0.938 0.961
    78.16 2680 74.08 96.1 10.5 78.46 2840 154.1 2510 1810 77.85 0.86 0.867
    79.06 3160 146.33 99.6 -0.8 79.36 3440 191.7 2410 2540 78.76 0.821 0.844
    79.96 3880 165.94 100 7.5 80.27 4120 191.7 2400 2500 79.66 0.844 0.844
    80.87 4600 196.97 100 8.3 81.17 4840 191.7 2440 2520 80.57 0.821 0.828
    81.78 5280 212.33 100 7.5 82.08 5480 191.7 2450 2350 81.47 0.821 0.821
    82.69 5880 224.14 100 12 82.99 6040 191 2350 2270 82.38 0.805 0.813
    83.59 6240 188.75 27.8 -6 83.89 5800 11.3 990 1550 83.28 0.797 0.797
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    Mapping... (might have mentioned this before)

    Throttle is closing as load is being controlled... the ECU controls the throttle plate not your foot...

    ...and this log is quite frankly rubbish with no headings... what gear did you do it in as the resolution is not very good...

    If you are referring to the '27.8' figure at 6240 then considering the next block is logging 5800 rpm and a load of 11.3 I would suggest this log shows very little relevant info as it appears from this that its showing where you have lifted off after the run...

    What blocks are these? looks like 003 and 031 but can't work out the middle one... 115 I think?

    Your timing advance is frankly awful... I suspect EGT's will be going insane running that retarded...

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    i have a log i did yesterday this has 1 turn more preload on actuator ...than previous log as i still hit famous overboost but i didnt in previous log????
    Group A: '115 Group B: '002 Group C: '112
    RPM Load Absolute Pres. Absolute Pres. RPM Load Inj. On Time Mass Flow Temperature Load
    TIME TIME TIME
    Marker STAMP /min % mbar mbar STAMP /min % ms g/s STAMP °C %
    26.21 1920 90.2 1170 1140 26.51 2120 93.2 7.82 39.86 26.81 555 0
    27.11 2080 14.3 990 1130 27.41 1840 15 1.7 3.11 27.71 575 0
    28.02 1800 48.1 990 1010 28.31 1720 63.2 6.12 24 28.62 590 0
    28.92 1840 72.9 1010 1100 29.22 1920 69.9 5.78 26.14 29.52 595 0
    29.82 2040 61.7 990 1140 30.13 2120 62.4 5.78 25.97 30.43 605 0
    30.73 2240 48.9 990 1100 31.02 2240 39.1 3.74 13.42 31.33 615 0
    31.64 2320 38.3 990 1040 31.94 2360 43.6 4.76 25.64 32.24 620 0
    32.54 2520 104.5 2430 1250 32.84 2640 119.5 10.88 66.81 33.14 625 0
    1 33.45 2960 168.4 2480 1890 33.75 3120 191.7 18.02 134.69 34.05 640 0
    34.35 3560 191.7 2370 2540 34.65 3840 191.7 22.78 165.56 34.96 685 0
    35.26 4280 191.7 2400 2470 35.58 4520 191.7 21.76 196.94 35.86 740 0
    36.16 4920 191.7 2400 2540 36.46 5160 191.7 21.42 213.78 36.78 795 0
    37.07 5520 191.7 2430 2380 37.37 5720 191.7 20.4 227.75 37.67 830 0
    37.98 6080 178.2 2260 2220 38.27 6040 56.4 4.08 0 38.58 865 0
    38.88 4840 70.7 1890 1100 39.18 4640 167.7 16.66 181.44 39.48 885 0
    39.78 4720 128.6 1860 1560 40.09 4760 157.1 14.28 150.83 40.39 880 0
    40.69 4680 12.8 1000 1470 40.99 4320 12.8 1.36 5.64 41.3 885 0
    41.59 3680 13.5 1000 1070 41.9 3560 12.8 0 8.42 42.19 880 0
    42.5 3400 12.8 1000 1030 42.8 3320 12.8 0 8.22 43.1 865 0
    2 43.39 3200 12.8 1000 1030 43.7 3160 12.8 0 8.03 44.01 820 0
    44.31 3120 15 1040 1010 44.61 3120 88 8.5 59.64 44.91 775 0
    45.21 3160 145.9 1670 1680 45.52 3200 148.9 12.58 89.47 45.82 745 0
    46.12 3240 82 1040 1350 46.42 3240 55.6 5.1 28.14 46.72 750 0
    47.02 3240 76.7 1030 1260 47.33 3240 69.9 6.12 40.56 47.63 755 0
    47.92 3200 12.8 1000 1120 48.23 3160 13.5 0 6.06 48.52 755 0
    48.83 3160 32.3 1000 1010 49.14 3120 68.4 6.46 44.97 49.44 750 0
    49.74 3120 69.2 1000 1280 50.04 3120 69.2 6.46 43.61 50.34 745 0
    50.64 3160 85.7 1220 1320 50.95 3200 120.3 11.22 87.19 51.25 745 0
    51.55 3240 191.7 2240 2270 51.85 3280 191.7 17.68 137.25 52.15 755 0
    52.46 3360 169.9 1940 2270 52.76 3400 161.7 14.28 101.31 53.06 785 0
    53.36 3480 139.8 1800 2040 53.66 3560 159.4 14.28 123 53.96 820 0
    3 54.27 3640 191.7 2310 2540 54.57 3720 191.7 21.76 163.89 54.87 840 0
    55.17 3840 191.7 2260 2530 55.47 3920 190.2 18.7 165.69 55.77 875 0
    56.08 4040 158.6 1890 2300 56.38 4080 143.6 12.92 104.14 56.68 895 0
    56.98 4080 29.3 1000 1360 57.28 4080 12.8 1.36 4.5 57.58 905 0
    57.89 4080 12 1000 1070 58.19 4040 12 0 8.33 58.49 890 0
    58.78 4000 11.3 1000 1040 59.09 4000 12.8 1.36 9.69 59.4 855 0
    59.7 3920 12.8 1000 1020 60 3920 12.8 1.7 9.33 60.3 825 0
    60.6 3880 52.6 1000 1010 60.9 3880 87.2 8.16 75.92 61.21 805 0
    4 61.51 3920 87.2 1310 1320 61.81 3920 97.7 9.18 74.58 62.11 795 0
    62.41 3960 107.5 1460 1400 62.71 3960 109.8 10.88 83.78 63.02 795 0
    63.32 4000 109.8 1460 1460 63.62 4040 109.8 11.22 85.67 63.92 795 0
    64.22 4080 109.8 1450 1460 64.52 4080 108.3 11.22 83.86 64.83 795 0
    65.13 3960 14.3 1000 1290 65.43 3680 12.8 1.36 3.89 65.73 795 0
    66.04 3360 45.9 1000 1090 66.33 3360 39.8 3.74 24.31 66.64 795 0
    66.94 3360 147.4 1940 1610 67.24 3400 191.7 18.02 150.83 67.54 790 0
    67.84 3440 191.7 2250 2400 68.14 3480 191.7 19.72 155.03 68.45 805 0
    68.75 3560 191.7 2270 2480 69.05 3600 191.7 20.74 160.22 69.35 835 0
    69.65 3640 191.7 2230 2490 69.96 3680 191.7 20.06 152.25 70.26 870 0
    70.56 3720 191.7 2280 2540 70.86 3760 191.7 20.06 159.19 71.16 895 0
    71.46 3840 191.7 2260 2500 71.77 3840 191.7 19.72 158.06 72.07 910 0
    72.37 3920 191.7 2090 2420 72.67 3960 191.7 18.36 154.08 72.97 925 3.1
    73.27 4000 191.7 2030 2330 73.58 4000 148.9 13.6 99.56 73.88 935 9
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    There is only one part of the above thats actually close to being any use and thats between marker 1 and 2... only time you hit somewhere close to redline but looks like 2nd gear as its over in no time at all... last bit of the log from marker 4 shows over boosting...

    I am really struggling to understand what you are doing at the moment as you are over boosting but adding more preload??? and still running this unknown 'custom' map?

    Over boosting
    actuator help

    ..to name a couple...

    Going over old ground dude...

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    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    Mapping... (might have mentioned this before)

    Throttle is closing as load is being controlled... the ECU controls the throttle plate not your foot...

    ...and this log is quite frankly rubbish with no headings... what gear did you do it in as the resolution is not very good...

    If you are referring to the '27.8' figure at 6240 then considering the next block is logging 5800 rpm and a load of 11.3 I would suggest this log shows very little relevant info as it appears from this that its showing where you have lifted off after the run...

    What blocks are these? looks like 003 and 031 but can't work out the middle one... 115 I think?

    Your timing advance is frankly awful... I suspect EGT's will be going insane running that retarded...

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    log was done in 3rd gear tuffty, block 115 yes correct..
    you say timing advance awfull in what way tuffty?, as for egt i did not log on this run but the other log i have posted up with 1 turn more preload on actuator ....shows 1st run in 3rd then 4th and i can see i hit egt protection in 5th dumping fuel?
    can you see anyware in log that would throw an overboost? condition?
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    no im undoing actuator 1 turn at a time..... with the first log my most recent i didnt hit overboost!!!!
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    deffinatly 3rd gear tuffty 100percent gears are gone in no time?
    good or bad thing as for preload it dosent have anyware near as much as it use too ie on my faulty boost gauge which reads in bar it says 0.3 but did on previous turbo read 0.4...
    feel asif im robbing myself of tourqe i nave logged 356nm out of possible 435 according too vcds at 3500rpm not on full throttle?
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    The torque value in vcds doesn't equate to real life... if the map has not had the load maps properly adjusted then you will never achieve its potential as the ECU will always control the load based on the mapping... no amount of hardware tweaking will prevent the ECU reigning it in somehow if the mapping isn't adjusted to suit... ME7 ECU's nanny the f*ck out of stuff all the time unless the mapper knows what they are doing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    The torque value in vcds doesn't equate to real life... if the map has not had the load maps properly adjusted then you will never achieve its potential as the ECU will always control the load based on the mapping... no amount of hardware tweaking will prevent the ECU reigning it in somehow if the mapping isn't adjusted to suit... ME7 ECU's nanny the f*ck out of stuff all the time unless the mapper knows what they are doing...

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    so is there much more power too be made worth 350/400 pounds??? What gains could I benifit from?
    Fuel looks ok??
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    Logs only suggest 280ish bhp Darren, not very good for the spec really.

    This still hasn't been mapped properly has it? There's really no point chasing faults and things until it's been looked at by someone who knows, and mapped accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prawn View Post
    Logs only suggest 280ish bhp Darren, not very good for the spec really.

    This still hasn't been mapped properly has it? There's really no point chasing faults and things until it's been looked at by someone who knows, and mapped accordingly.
    not bad on an unknown map and ignore the turbo dynamics stage 2 I'm going too update sig its a standard k04????chinese with genuine hotside...bog standard setup 280 that's ok? you know a mapper who can get more power plz send me there number as I'd be intrested ?
    the car was mapped ok when I bought it well ran ok no overboost with more preload than i currently have..
    just unsure who /were it was mapped I bent a conrod as I was thrashing it too ****... With temp reading 60/70 degrees was a faulty temp sensor that bent my rod I'm sure !
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    Quote Originally Posted by darren t View Post
    so is there much more power too be made worth 350/400 pounds??? What gains could I benifit from?
    Fuel looks ok??
    Well... first hing is you seem to be chasing all sorts of issues that may be hardware or software related... the FIRST thing you need to consider at least is taking it to someone who KNOWS what they are doing with this type of car and see where it is... then you can make a decision on where to go from there...

    All you are doing is chasing stuff that may or may not actually be an issue and due to the nature of the setup (not std) its near impossible to diagnose over a forum...

    Logging only shows so much... its not definitive... its a means to an end but without actually seeing the car there is no context...

    Its ALWAYS worth paying for a map to be right... until someone with more experience and knowledge than you have has had a look at your car then you are going to be constantly chasing what you think are issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by darren t View Post
    not bad on an unknown map and ignore the turbo dynamics stage 2 I'm going too update sig its a standard k04????chinese with genuine hotside...bog standard setup 280 that's ok? you know a mapper who can get more power plz send me there number as I'd be intrested ?
    the car was mapped ok when I bought it well ran ok no overboost with more preload than i currently have..
    just unsure who /were it was mapped I bent a conrod as I was thrashing it too ****... With temp reading 60/70 degrees was a faulty temp sensor that bent my rod I'm sure !
    You now have a std K04 on a map that was designed for your hybrid?... and its a chinese one and you are experiencing over boost?



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    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    You now have a std K04 on a map that was designed for your hybrid?... and its a chinese one and you are experiencing over boost?



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    no I took a standard k04 turbo off the car replaced with a Chinese job and exsperinced over boost have since replaced hotside with a genuine hotside map remains the same as when I bought car which ran fine pulled strong no issues except thrashing the **** out of it all night with faulty temp sensor ie was reading 60 degrees and brake discs were glowing red steaming like a sauna!!!
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    [QUOTE='[Dave B];1866163'][/QUOTE. What's ridiculous ???dont get this at all ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    Well... first hing is you seem to be chasing all sorts of issues that may be hardware or software related... the FIRST thing you need to consider at least is taking it to someone who KNOWS what they are doing with this type of car and see where it is... then you can make a decision on where to go from there...

    All you are doing is chasing stuff that may or may not actually be an issue and due to the nature of the setup (not std) its near impossible to diagnose over a forum...

    Logging only shows so much... its not definitive... its a means to an end but without actually seeing the car there is no context...

    Its ALWAYS worth paying for a map to be right... until someone with more experience and knowledge than you have has had a look at your car then you are going to be constantly chasing what you think are issues...

    <tuffty/>
    i agree I need too at least take it for a dyno by some one who knows the engine/ecu inside out!! Ill give bill a call tmorrow for health check/dyno
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