Audi S3 2001 210 revs stop and turbo increases when accelerating (like clutch slip)

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Hi All,

My first post in this forum, so thanks in advance to anyone spending their free time helping me out.

So I just got a late 2001 S3 and am getting to know it. As it's a late 2001, but not quite late enough, it's the 210bhp model (released the month before they changed to 225), even tho I was sold it as a 225 - since discovered from forums that it isn't :(

I'm not planning on modding it and as far as I know it's standard - I need it to last, as well as being fun, as it's done around 120k miles.

I've had a V6 4motion golf, a 170GT TDI golf and an Alpha 1.4 multi-air 170bhp (Turbo VVT), so am used to this kind of power, (and turbos on the whole), but the S3 often seems a bit underwhelming in terms of poke.

Anyway, I think there could be something up with it. It's most noticeable in 5/6th gear when pulling onto the motorway, and accelerating with your foot to the floor but in a high gear, so it the revs increase slowly.

So what happens is...

Select a higher gear so the engine isn't revving high. Boot it, and as the car slowly begins to accelerate, you hear the turbo spooling up, and the revs increase slowly as you'd expect. Then something really odd happens. It sounds a bit like the clutch is slipping (but it isn't - I think the turbo revs increase suddenly rather than the engine revs) as the power seems to drop, the rev counter stands still (or perhaps even drops) for a moment, and while the engine revs stay around the same, the turbo revs seem to increase.

I was wondering if this is symptomatic of a boost leak that only happens at high pressure, or perhaps the diverter valve issue I've been reading about. I also wondered if there was something odd going on with the rev counter/sensor. The car can feel a bit schizophrenic - sometimes it can feel quick, and others a bit gutless.

As I don't really know what it should feel like (as I've not had the more than a month), but something doesn't feel right.

I hope I've given you enough info here.

Any help very much appreciated.

Thanks

Ed
 
Hi and welcome, you really need some logging done to see whats happening, where are you? there is a VCDS users list on the forum, or you may want to buy it, as it will be more than useful for sure...
 
Thanks Dave - Is VCDS like VAGCOM? I'm in Cheltenham BTW.
 
It is the new name for it, best thing is to scan it first.

Thanks both.

Messaged bloke on eBay nr Worcester who'll do it for a tenner this weekend - will post up results.
 
Boost leak by the sound of it. Check the hoses under the inlet manifold for splits or breaks, get the system smoke tested to be sure.

Unmapped 210 S3's are a bit underwhelming; at very best they are 145bh/ton which is likely to be less than your Alfa was. So don't try to set the goal posts based on power, go by how the car feels.
 
If you are in Cheltenham, I am in Stonehouse, J13 M5, so if you get stuck and want smoke test, logging, dyno check etc, to confirm whats occuring, give me a call
regards
bill
 
OK, so I went and got the VCDS thing done, as follows:

So I rocked-up and he scanned the car:



Saturday,13,April,2013,14:26:58:53553
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.5 (x64)
Data version: 20121222

Then he reset the codes, we went for a quick blat, and then re-scanned:


Chassis Type: 8L - Audi A3/S3
Scan: 01 02 03 08 15 16 17 22 35 37 45 55 56 57 75 76

VIN: WAUZZZ8L621000577
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Address 01: Engine Labels: None
Part No: 8N0 906 018 J
Component: 1.8L R4/5VT 0004
Coding: 10710
Shop #: WSC 66565
VCID: 387FEF611882BAD8D9C
WAUZZZ8L621000577 AUZ7Z0A1869420


No fault code found.
Readiness: 0010 0101


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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8N0-907-379-MK20-E.lbl
Part No: 8N0 907 379 E
Component: ESP 20 CAN V005
Coding: 18448
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 3E73F9793AA684E8130


No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No: 8L0 820 043 K
Component: A3 KLIMAAUTOMAT 0105
Coding: 00041
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 306FD741F0F2629891C


No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8L0-959-655-AI8.lbl
Part No: 8L0 959 655 J
Component: Airbag Front+Seite 5008
Coding: 01104
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 458196955F70D73052A


No fault code found.


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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4B0-907-487.lbl
Part No: 4B0 907 487 C
Component: Lenkradelektronik D01
Coding: 01002
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 2C57C331DCDA0678AD4


No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8L0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No: 8L0 920 980 R
Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRS. VDO D07
Coding: 01444
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 428B8D894E5EE008778
WAUZZZ8L621000577 AUZ7Z0A1869420


No fault code found.


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Address 22: AWD Labels: 02D-900-554.lbl
Part No: 02D 900 554 B
Component: HALDEX LSC ECC 0006
VCID: 1F4D24FD9D6CEDE0386


No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 35: Centr. Locks Labels: 8D0-862-257.lbl
Part No: 8D0 862 257 E
Component: CV-Pump, Alarm, RC D17
Coding: 15178
Shop #: WSC 00579
VCID: 2F6DD43DEDCC7D60886


1 Fault Found:
01134 - Alarm Horn (H12)
49-00 - No Communications


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Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 4B0-951-173.lbl
Part No: 4B0 951 173
Component: Innenraumueberw. D03
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: E0CFE70160921218C1C


No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4B0-907-357-AUT.lbl
Part No: 4B0 907 357
Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D004
Coding: 00014
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: E5C1F6157FB0773032A


No fault code found.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 8L0 035 195 H
Component: symphony II NP2 0005
Coding: 00005
Shop #: WSC 01236
VCID: 3365D84D01E45980ECE


No fault code found.


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Doesn't seem to show much really...


Anyway today I went for a decent drive, and was overtaking a lot down A/B roads - pulling nice and loads of power.

Then, on the way back, no turbo at all... just completely gutless. Engine runs perfectly, but there is no boost and you can't hear the turbo spinning-up.

Could it be an N75 valve perhaps? Could this have been the issue all along?

Anyone else had similar symptoms before their N75 went?