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    whats the most your likely to see from a 210hp s3 with a standard turbo?

    Hi all,
    So I've spent a while getting my car up to scratch. I'm at the point now where I want to start trying to get a bit more power from it although I am a bit weary having 126k on the clock.

    I've seen lots of people fitting larger TB, plenum and injectors, will these still give you an increase with a standard turbo and a custom remap? What other mods will help improve performance?

    Thanks in advance.

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    Badger 5 TIP and filter, Relentless manifold and 3"dp/cat, meth, front mount intercooler, high comp pistons and rods = 300bhp potential.

    A B5 TIP, a downpipe and a front mount will see 280 with the right tuner. Which is much nicer than nailing a tiny turbo open and running at maximum capacity.

    That's just the tip of the iceberg, spend your money on chassis and drivetrain mods. For instance standard 312's struggle to stop an A3, let alone an S3. Upgrade to LCR Brembos.

    A little more camber with some SilverProject (or whatever they are) top mounts, polybushed lower arms, a dcent suspension setup to firm up the weight transfer and body roll.

    It all goes a long way, I would much rather a standard car that was right than a 300bhp nail.

    The engine/go faster bits will cost half what it will to get the chassis up to that level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16Klappe View Post
    Badger 5 TIP and filter, Relentless manifold and 3"dp/cat, meth and high comp pistons and rods = 300bhp potential.
    + FMIC

    Totally agree with the rest of it though dude

    Edit- forgot to add that with all the extra power and torque you want to make sure the clutch has some decent life left.....I've read so many posts with people's clutches slipping on the rollers whilst getting mapped or on the way home from the tuners!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwistof View Post
    + FMIC

    Totally agree with the rest of it though dude
    Just put it in, too early. My brain isn't functioning right.
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    around 300hp can be achieved on a fresh K04 with all the mods...
    Badger5 stage 2 map

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    The most you are likely to see from a 210hp s3 is......

    210hp

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    Quote Originally Posted by superkarl View Post
    The most you are likely to see from a 210hp s3 is......

    210hp
    lol, nice one

    Quote Originally Posted by 16Klappe View Post
    It all goes a long way, I would much rather a standard car that was right than a 300bhp nail.
    That's me, standard engine but over 2K spent on suspension and wheels....love it to bits. In fact i got pulled cus the fuz couldn't keep up around the corners lol
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    I've had my car nearly two years and I'm still on the standard map. I've sorted the brakes, fitted new clutch and LSD. Most of the stage two mods and I'm in the process of sorting out the chassis. I agree with the above comments it's defiantly the best way around to do it.

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    126k mile turbo is possibly a little tired dont you think to expect miracles from it.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex C View Post



    That's me, standard engine but over 2K spent on suspension and wheels....love it to bits. In fact i got pulled cus the fuz couldn't keep up around the corners lol
    thats exactly what i did with mine. spent a year just upgrading chassis and suspension. and like you, loved it to bits

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    126k mile turbo is possibly a little tired dont you think to expect miracles from it.............
    Mine has done 120k and is still on the original turbo and actuator, still made 245bhp and 319 as you know.

    I'd rather a turbo that has done 100k with no play which is fault free than something new and unknown. Get it checked out, but if it has got no play and doesn't smoke there is no reason not to ramp it up a bit surely?

    But that's just me playing devils advocate, as I do.

    I quite often say I'm going to do things.

    Then never do them.

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    Cheers for all your comments guys;

    16klappe - I agree that its a must to get the handling set up spot on too, I will be doing most of what you said in time as I see no point in having the car quick and steering like a boat as it does now. Do you feel your set up makes a really big difference??

    - The FMIC will be a sure mod at some point.

    tuffty - Cheers for the link, That spec is impressive from standard !.

    Superkarl - very good

    Badger 5 - The engine has 126k but I recently replaced the turbo, its been on around a year or so.

    Cheers again guys,

    Just to add, as before: has anyone got any comments on the upgraded intake manifolds? Throttle body? injectors ? Will changing these the size of these make a difference with a remap on standard turbo ?

    Thanks Jon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 16Klappe View Post
    Mine has done 120k and is still on the original turbo and actuator, still made 245bhp and 319 as you know.

    I'd rather a turbo that has done 100k with no play which is fault free than something new and unknown. Get it checked out, but if it has got no play and doesn't smoke there is no reason not to ramp it up a bit surely?

    But that's just me playing devils advocate, as I do.

    lol and that of course prove ALL high milers are ok..

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    "Just to add, as before: has anyone got any comments on the upgraded intake manifolds? Throttle body? injectors ? Will changing these the size of these make a difference with a remap on standard turbo ?"


    Intake manifolds will make a negligible difference at this state of tune. With injectors being unnecessary on a std k04 generally, and i believe larger throttle bodies decrease power and torque at this level.
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