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    Another hole in the sump - Shallow sump option or engine risers?

    Hi Guys

    Like most of us with lowered cars we occasionally scraped the bottom of our sumps on speed humps, but on this occasion a rock hidden in some snow in North wales was the culprit. So my questions is should I go for the shallow sump that is for sale at Awesome GTI or 10mm engine risers?

    Living in the London area means that speed humps are pretty much unavoidable and I have been a speed hump victim a few times so I am careful around them. I only drive about 5k a year and change my oil around 5/6k regardless of time

    As always your advice is gratefully received

    Ps: Are you able to connect the oil sensor to the shallow sumps?


    Thanks Ian
    Worried that one day I may have to buy something sensible, but until then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste_Nova View Post
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    Sometimes necessary especially when enjoying the roads of North Wales, but have you got one?
    Worried that one day I may have to buy something sensible, but until then!

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    The shallow sumps I've seen don't have the oil level sensor
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    I know how you feel pal! i think the shallow sump is a perfect fit which everthink connects to!? I looked at engine raises but pretty sure i found on a s3 people avoid them with the clearance issues with the prop an downpipe :s iv been trying to find a sump guard or some sort but havnt found any yet :s would like to know if anyone else knows where to get one!

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    Here you go mate shallow sump with a steel bottom

    Hybrid 1.8T Shallow Sump Conversion Kit

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    Shallow sumps have less oil carrying capacity (an issue IMO) and no oil sensor provision...

    Essentially you can try using the engine mount risers, raise the car up or be mindfull of the road... sadly the sumps on the 20v are fairly low and making them lower will always ruun the risk of damage...

    Another alternative would be to buy a baffled sump that has the thick plates welded to the bottom to act as a form of protection or at least get some plates welded on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny Cawsey View Post
    Here you go mate shallow sump with a steel bottom

    Hybrid 1.8T Shallow Sump Conversion Kit
    No oil sensor provision so no use to a 20v that has one fitted

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    ENGINE SPACERS
    seems i did a how to on engine spacers a while ago on here on my S3 but is exact same deal as a mk4 / bora
    i only recommend fitting 15mm as any more puts stress on dogbone / exhaust / hoses etc etc
    and NEVER fit a dogbone spacer - if you catch that then it's bye bye gearbox
    the spacers 15mm - obviously only 2 needed per car



    the bay

    cover removed

    filter off to reveal the mount

    one bolt can be seen in the above pic others are here


    before you undo these, jack the car up and put a second jack or axle stand under the gearbox to support the weight. when the bolts are removed, raise the car or lower the engineto give you access to slide the mount out

    these are the parts all removed

    now you can slide the spacer into position

    and the post spacer

    you can now slot the mount back into position. i hadn't got longer bolts as i wanted to use genuine vag items, so i raided my bolt box and found the most suitable length bolts to use (these will be replaced with new items now i know what ones i need)

    now the mount can be bolted back in place - best to bolt to the body first then raise the box into position and then bolt the mount to the box.


    onto the drivers side - again jack the car up and support the weight of the engine
    cover off

    header tank out

    carbon canister out

    then pull the p/s tank res out of the way and undo the brace (lost a few pics here)
    i didn't have to remove the mount completely, just loosen the bolts and raise the engine the slide the spacer in


    i used the same longer vag bolts as used on the gearbox mount and bolted it down, then added the post spacer

    refitted the brace and p/s res

    refitted the carbon canister, header tank and both covers

    pic from before the spacers

    and after


    i'm happy with the results!
    tools used were;
    10mm, 13mm, 16mm, 18mm sockets 5mm allen key flat head and phillips screwdriver
    1/2 ratchet and long extension bar, 3/4 ratchet and mid extension bar
    cutters, pliers and a lever bar

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    Thanks for the advice guys, serious food for thought! Could new engine mounts aid the situation as Ive never changed them in the 5 plus years I've owned it.
    Worried that one day I may have to buy something sensible, but until then!

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    Won't lift them up much if at all... worn mounts normally wobble horizontally not vertically

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    Easiest solution weould be to put non broken suspension on it.

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    @olethalb - how far have you lowered your car from standard?

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    i couldn't say how much in mm but.....


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    ^^^ there's yah problem

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    lowered the front a little more after that pic, never touched the sump after the engine spacers and i drove it very very hard. only an S3 after all

    it is up for sale elsewhere now though for £20k

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    Can you remember where you got the spacers from as I have only found 40mm ones, and that is a step too far as I think it will cause issues with the downpipe & Prop
    Thanks again
    Ian
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    Well, yeah, I can see why it might have scraped just a tad there. Did you forget to install the springs or what?

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    i used to make the spacers and sell them on ebay but was only making £3 profit per set as i sold them with brand new longer genuine bolts.

    creations motorsport sell them on ebay, i belive they copied my design but cannot prove it. anyway.......

    VW GOLF MK4 AUDI A3 1.9 TDI SEAT LEON SKODA OCTAVIA TDI ENGINE SPACERS ASZ ARL | eBay

    no i was running koni coils on that i think, was a fun car - shame it was yellow though.

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    There is also an OEM steel sump guard- here

    I know quite a few diesel people had them fitted not sure about petrol though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_TDi View Post
    There is also an OEM steel sump guard- here

    I know quite a few diesel people had them fitted not sure about petrol though.
    Hi Paul

    Thanks for this, but do you know of any UK sellers other than the Main Stealers?
    Worried that one day I may have to buy something sensible, but until then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olethalb View Post

    creations motorsport sell them on ebay, i belive they copied my design but cannot prove it. anyway.......

    VW GOLF MK4 AUDI A3 1.9 TDI SEAT LEON SKODA OCTAVIA TDI ENGINE SPACERS ASZ ARL | eBay
    Creation tend to do that a lot Olly, shame really. Robbing *******s.

    I liked the yellow car too, will always remember you almost totally beaching it coming into the multi story in Guildford.

    It's a bit different now since Alex has owned it though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wingnut Express View Post
    Hi Paul

    Thanks for this, but do you know of any UK sellers other than the Main Stealers?
    No unfortunately I don't, I think some companies in the states have made there own version "panzer" plate comes to mind?

    EDIT

    Have a nosey here, list of parts you need to fit one, assuming it's all the same from golf to a3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olethalb View Post
    i used to make the spacers and sell them on ebay but was only making £3 profit per set as i sold them with brand new longer genuine bolts.

    creations motorsport sell them on ebay, i belive they copied my design but cannot prove it. anyway.......

    VW GOLF MK4 AUDI A3 1.9 TDI SEAT LEON SKODA OCTAVIA TDI ENGINE SPACERS ASZ ARL | eBay

    no i was running koni coils on that i think, was a fun car - shame it was yellow though.
    Haha it was a fast car faisal_16's face was priceless (p.s. thank F for haldex haha)

    I ran these spacers too, in my MK4 and TT. Worth every penny. didn't have to mess about with stupid oil starving shallow sumps with no level sensor + never touched the bottom of my sump again. simple to install too... Here's the TT and MK4






    I drove (by mistake) the mk4 air'd out across a car park, dragged the subframe but not even a mark on the sump

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