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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Reading the post he suggests that it doesnt actually hold 11?



    Even if the preload was weak, you'd surely expect consistently low boost, not fluctuations?
    I've read it a few times and abandoned understanding what went on.. Cant make head nor tale tbh
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    Thx guys very interesting all this dan the actuater rod with the 15 psi actuater u sent is longer this time and has plenty of room for preload lol not like the other so I'll add quite a bit and see what happens also get a picture of the rod for u
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    I've read it a few times and abandoned understanding what went on.. Cant make head nor tale tbh
    It holds 11. It didn't hold 11 in limp mode as it is throttled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. View Post
    It holds 11. It didn't hold 11 in limp mode as it is throttled.

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    that makes more sense. Ta << Northen Saying I believe

    For me 11psi on actuator would hold >20psi at 7krpm on the hybrids without maxing the duty cycles..
    I usually aim for minimum 12psi-15psi actuator pressure on a k04 hybrid.... exhaust manifold back pressure is very high when pushing on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    that makes more sense. Ta << Northen Saying I believe
    No thats just Gazz
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    that makes more sense. Ta << Northen Saying I believe

    For me 11psi on actuator would hold >20psi at 7krpm on the hybrids without maxing the duty cycles..
    I usually aim for minimum 12psi-15psi actuator pressure on a k04 hybrid.... exhaust manifold back pressure is very high when pushing on.
    I'd expect that too but this one won't, probably a back pressure issue as you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. View Post
    I'd expect that too but this one won't, probably a back pressure issue as you say.

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    yep, combined with the smaller than OE wastegate arm, as I posted the lever ratios earlier in this thread.. Effectively down rates the actuators psi rating. doh!
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    So as all this is said I'm thinking of taking the turbo off sometime in January, February and see what the issue is if it comes to it I'll be getting genuine k04 hot side and ask dan if he could put it together for me then I no that's out the way does it fix my problem hopefully.

    back pressure wise can only be the hotside as iv done everything I can so make it better flowing most people won't of ported the downpipe but I have to help get rid of more back pressure and we now no from bills tuning last week the v3 does flow.
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    Perhaps look into extrude honing the hotaide? Effectively increasing the scroll
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    ker-ching!

    been there.... costed tooling.. Owch!

    nice process mind you but... need to churn a few out to pay for the tooling costs

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    ker-ching!

    been there.... costed tooling.. Owch!

    nice process mind you but... need to churn a few out to pay for the tooling costs

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    Gaz, hopefully in the next few weeks I'll have my k04 turbine housings, testing permitting, come the time you remove your turbo you are more than welcome to one.

    They have been been made designed to be better than the stock k04 housing.

    fully ported wastegate
    ported inlet and throat
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    and correct length arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbuggy View Post
    Gaz, hopefully in the next few weeks I'll have my k04 turbine housings, testing permitting, come the time you remove your turbo you are more than welcome to one.

    They have been been made designed to be better than the stock k04 housing.

    fully ported wastegate
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    and correct length arm.
    or cool dan I go for that then haha solve all mi problems in one haha nice. Have to let me no when u have em and I'll get turbo off
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    So iv added some preload few full turns and don't feel any different.

    whats getting me is my boost gauge says 11psi and my liquid gauge says 15.5 psi which is over the actuater pressure. My self I think the liquid is the most accurate so I'm not running the right actuater pressure I think till I can log it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s3gazz View Post
    So iv added some preload few full turns and don't feel any different.whats getting me is my boost gauge says 11psi and my liquid gauge says 15.5 psi which is over the actuater pressure. My self I think the liquid is the most accurate so I'm not running the right actuater pressure I think till I can log it.
    Liquid gauge/mapsensor is before throttle. Boost gauge is post throttleN75 feed - pre throttle, dyno take off boost sensor - post throttle15psi pre throttle , 11 psi post throttleMmmm where's the possible issue?!

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    same as conversation with gaz yesterday........... pressure difference across tbody..
    logs being done to confirm how much the tbody is opening.. Suggestion that during mapping the tbody kept needing resetting ??
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    Gaz was on the dyno again today, made very similar power to when I ran it so it's all good. Lower torque as &lt;br&gt;<br>
    it's running less mid range boost. Also runs were done in succession so the last run would make more if the car was allowed to cool. So Gaz is happy - still wants more boost though!

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