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    Fitting a B5 tip and Hybrids

    Just an heads up for guys fitting the b5 tip to their Hybrids,,,,
    The wall thickness where the billet adapter goes, is stupidly thin on these and it is easy for you to puncture the grub screw through the wall.....
    I had originally gone through it but then backed the grub screw out and decided to use more silicone for a seal...
    the mechanic that fitted my engine must have tightened it back up and clamped the bottom of the tip before it was in its final resting place resulting to this...




    So the lesson is go very steady with the grub screw and tighten the b5 tip on the billet adapter last when everything is fitted and is in place..

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    F00k me how was that not ingested into the turbo!!

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    Most of it was still stuck to the silicone behind it, but a bit must of got blown through...
    It spins freely and has zero play so i guess i was lucky....

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    How big are the grub screws?
    Are there 3 screws or just the one?
    Im running a hybrid and im holding out for this new "budget tip " from bill to break cover...
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    seen this myself.. glue it on.. grub screw is not required to be "tight" as it sits in the groove so cannot allow the billet to come off.. Silicon sealer will hold it plenty tight enough.

    daft thin machining tho..
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    I thought it would be there just to be safe and stop it actualy coming off.
    Grub screws are usualy only small allen key sized ( half the size of the bolt ) so to over tighten would feel wrong.
    I will check mine tonight... see if the wall is as thin
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    M4 grub screw in my TIP
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    jesus that must have been tight :S

    I'm sure my CR hybrid isn't quite THAT thin in the inlet, although I could be wrong.


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    If they use a standard compressor housing then yes it is incredible thin in the recess. My hybrids have a 2.5mm thickness on the inlet after machining and the recess is a tad under 1.5mm thus at recess it's 1mm thick! I'm not surprised the grub screw went through. I was also worried that a T clamp done up on a stock clamp would distort the inlet also.

    I guess that was your problem though Dave!

    Decided what you'll do to fix it?

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    This just seems like another thing that lets down the K04 hybrid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westy View Post
    This just seems like another thing that lets down the K04 hybrid!
    To be fair , while its possibly easier to do, anyone with a k04 can damage it by over tightening something, it's not the hybrid or b5 tip fault but an over excited fitter! Correct fitting is everything! And fitting the b5 tip correctly would actually strengthen the inlet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbuggy View Post
    To be fair , while its possibly easier to do, anyone with a k04 can damage it by over tightening something, it's not the hybrid or b5 tip fault but an over excited fitter! Correct fitting is everything! And fitting the b5 tip correctly would actually strengthen the inlet.
    In this case though its an over excited machinist!
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    Very possibly I agree! If they leave the stock clearance then whilst it's thin it should be ok. Shame this has happened though, I guess though it's a lesson learnt just hope Dave can fix it without taking the turbo off.

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    i have the b5 v1 tip the grub screws are small i think a larger grub screw covering more service area would
    be more secure and help not to punch a hole through just my thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westy View Post
    This just seems like another thing that lets down the K04 hybrid!
    not every hybrid westy

    same as everything..... they are not all the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by v5 tt View Post
    i have the b5 v1 tip the grub screws are small i think a larger grub screw covering more service area would
    be more secure and help not to punch a hole through just my thoughts
    grubs screw size is identical on v1 and v2 and are deliberately located to sit into the groove, so they can be "nipped" up and as such would make it impossible to pull off, as its sat in the recess
    locating anywhere other than the groove relies on the grub screws being "tightened" to bite into the inlet, which to me is worse, and less reliable a location. When installed with the smear of sealant, this does the job of securing it in the main.
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    So was that the strange sound you heard then Dave
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    Quote Originally Posted by s3dave View Post

    This picture is different machining to ones I have seen.. where the larger bore for the 2283 wheel is only machined that larger OD to the end of the tip of the comp wheel blades, then reverts to a smaller diameter so not being too thin by the groove.
    Who made this one?

    I have seen a CR one like yours, but mostly like I describe because of this issue it causes.
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    I have just had my CR one fitted and had the same issue. Screw wasn't that tight metal just so thin in that area. Redrilled closer in and all fine now, plus sealant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    This picture is different machining to ones I have seen.. where the larger bore for the 2283 wheel is only machined that larger OD to the end of the tip of the comp wheel blades, then reverts to a smaller diameter so not being too thin by the groove.
    Who made this one?

    I have seen a CR one like yours, but mostly like I describe because of this issue it causes.
    lovely CR Bill....

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    Ive taken more potential loose bits out and give it some red rtv sealent wiped all the excess and let it set overnight without fitting anything, feels solid now, not sure if it was the noise Andrew/Dan, we will see, ive got a turn or 2 on the bearing housing too so im hoping the noise has stopped....

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    Quote Originally Posted by s3dave View Post
    lovely CR Bill....
    damn.. inconsistent machining..
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    Eek, I can vouch for just siliconing it... I can't get mine off after using high temp sealant. All I did was thread lock the grub screw and nip it up, although I didn't have to worry about the thin walls of a hybrid
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    Mine was just sitting on while the engine was out on the bench the TIP slipped and I got a smaller grove than Dave just from the weight of the TIP, then noticed just how thin the metal is there. Almost tin foil !!!

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