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    Smile Want(need) to buy 1999-00 1.9 90hp/110hp but want to mod it/Facelift S-line grill?

    Hi all,
    Im a newbie on here so go easy on me, ha ha.

    Ok, to cut a long story short, i've been saving my hard earned cash for a long time and originally wanted to buy a 2005 A3 diesel.
    The complication is that i wanted to run it on a veg oil mix.

    I have had it on very good authority that that year or thereabouts have a PD fuel system which do NOT like any sort of veg oil mix, wheras the non-PD versions loved it. I was advised that the PD fuel system began to be phased in on Audis from 1999 onwards and that the models i need to get are the 90hp or 110hp 1.9 models as they are both non-PD.

    So, i thought my chances of owning an A3 were gone as i don't particularly like the 1999-2000 look as i think they now look dated. However, earlier today i seen this thread from Mattandrew:
    Conversion from pre-facelift double grill bumper to facelift S-line bumper

    And it gave me an idea that perhaps i could buy a 99-00 model and upgrade the grill, bumber etc and maybe more? (If i was to buy a 99-00 for around £3500 then i wouldn't mind paying £700-£1000 extra to mod it)

    Please can i have some advice as to whether this could work and if it would look newer or simply an old car trying to look newer, if you see what i mean.

    Anyway, i look forward to any replies on this, thanks.

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    Bumpy, anyone?

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    Tbh get a different brand if your on that tight a budget,plenty of decent cheaper ones on the market

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    £3500 for a 99 A3? seems alot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by voorhees View Post
    Tbh get a different brand if your on that tight a budget,plenty of decent cheaper ones on the market
    Different brand? Can you explain? You mean non-Audi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James TQ View Post
    £3500 for a 99 A3? seems alot?
    From my first post: i've been saving my hard earned cash for a long time and originally wanted to buy a 2005 A3 diesel.

    I was willing to pay up to £5500 but i now see that, to run on veg, it has to be 1999-2003 you see. Hope that explains it a bit bettter, thanks.

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    Doesnt make sense? 4500 to spend on the car but insist on 10 year old diesel to run on veg oil?

    Spend 3k on a decent 1.8t and the difference more than covers the fuel? I guess you own a chipy :D

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    have you concidered a petrol and a LPG Conversion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buel View Post
    Different brand? Can you explain? You mean non-Audi?
    Yes non-Audi
    Plus an 8P (2005) body kit will not fit an 8L (99)

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    Quote Originally Posted by James TQ View Post
    have you concidered a petrol and a LPG Conversion?
    Hi James,
    That is very, very, very interesting!!!! I hadn't thought of that!
    Any ideas how much a conversion costs?

    I can understand what S3 Andy means, it's just that i have a steady supply of veg oil at 50p per litre so that is a hell of a saving!!

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    buy a ****ter for £500 to run on the veg oil and a toy aswell then Bike Powered Cars : MK Indy Blade

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    Quote Originally Posted by buel View Post
    Hi James,
    That is very, very, very interesting!!!! I hadn't thought of that!
    Any ideas how much a conversion costs?
    Around 1300 I hear.

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    Yes as above, but make sure whoever you take it to is registerd to install them as youl be driving around with compressed gas in the car...I thinK Lpg is at around 70p a litre with more and more petrol stations stocking it now days, another benefit is the car will sell better with the conversion done. Worth a look into IMO

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    I converted a 1999 A4 110bhp 1.9tdi to run on veg oil (which I then did for the following 18 months). I like messing with cars and was interested to see how this would all work out. IIRC the cost of the kit was circa £500 and a few hours spent trying to decipher the instructions. It was necessary to plumb in a heat exchanger in the engine bay so that warmth of coolant was used to heat veg oil before its injected, as well as fittment of solenoids to the fuel lines to swich between fuel supplys (diesel for start-up/off, and veg oil when at running temp). Once fitted it was relatively simple and hassel free in operation. Things that put me off though were: Having to go to the cash and carry to get veg oil and the physical aspect of lugging 25L containers of oil and of transferring oil into car without spilling it (or knackering my back). Performance wise there is noticably less power when running on veg oil. Saftey, smell and practical issues of having a second tank of diesel in the boot are also to be considered. As to is resale value as this will also be affected (probably for the worse). Over all I found it to be a good idea in theory but a hassel in reality.

    Just my experience...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congorobot View Post
    I converted a 1999 A4 110bhp 1.9tdi to run on veg oil (which I then did for the following 18 months). I like messing with cars and was interested to see how this would all work out. IIRC the cost of the kit was circa £500 and a few hours spent trying to decipher the instructions. It was necessary to plumb in a heat exchanger in the engine bay so that warmth of coolant was used to heat veg oil before its injected, as well as fittment of solenoids to the fuel lines to swich between fuel supplys (diesel for start-up/off, and veg oil when at running temp). Once fitted it was relatively simple and hassel free in operation. Things that put me off though were: Having to go to the cash and carry to get veg oil and the physical aspect of lugging 25L containers of oil and of transferring oil into car without spilling it (or knackering my back). Performance wise there is noticably less power when running on veg oil. Saftey, smell and practical issues of having a second tank of diesel in the boot are also to be considered. As to is resale value as this will also be affected (probably for the worse). Over all I found it to be a good idea in theory but a hassel in reality.

    Just my experience...
    Hi

    Hi,
    Thanks for that, Just a question- You say you had the conversion done (Twin tank), from everything i have been told, the 110bhp 1.9 doesn't need a conversion to run on veg? Can i ask why you did this please?
    Ps- I see your point about the veg oil and the hassle but it is worth it for me for two reasons:
    1, I pay 50p per litre whereas you, im guessing, would have paid much more to buy it new.
    2, I dont really find it too much hassle as i have a 'system' set up so that all i have to do is fill up the tank with a watering can of veg (I have a Peugeot 206 diesel).

    Please post back when you can (or anyone, for that matter)T
    hanks- B

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    Yes I found out that it would heve been possible to run this car on veg oil without the conversion, however, the conversion is preferrable for optimal performance. Veg oil becomes very viscous when cold and will cause starting and power problems if it does not atomize properly at the injectors. The kit allows you to start up and shut off the engine while its running on diesel, only using veg oil when engine has reached running temp allowing the heat in the engine coolant to warm the veg oil via a heat exchanger before the veg oil reaches the injectors. This is I am sure better/kinder for the engine than without a kit. If I were doing it again I would probably forget the kit and just vary the ratio of diesel/veg oil mix. 50/50 for summer temps and 75 diesel/25 veg oil for winter.

    I made up a threaded spout to screw onto the oil containers to try and make filling more easy and quicker but still takes ages pouring 60L of veg oil into the tank (nowhere near as fast as a forcourt pump).

    I found that the price I was paying for veg oil tracked the price of diesel and was about 70 - 80pence/litre. Where are you getting oil for 50P/L? Is it used oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Congorobot View Post
    Yes I found out that it would heve been possible to run this car on veg oil without the conversion, however, the conversion is preferrable for optimal performance. Veg oil becomes very viscous when cold and will cause starting and power problems if it does not atomize properly at the injectors. The kit allows you to start up and shut off the engine while its running on diesel, only using veg oil when engine has reached running temp allowing the heat in the engine coolant to warm the veg oil via a heat exchanger before the veg oil reaches the injectors. This is I am sure better/kinder for the engine than without a kit. If I were doing it again I would probably forget the kit and just vary the ratio of diesel/veg oil mix. 50/50 for summer temps and 75 diesel/25 veg oil for winter.

    I made up a threaded spout to screw onto the oil containers to try and make filling more easy and quicker but still takes ages pouring 60L of veg oil into the tank (nowhere near as fast as a forcourt pump).

    I found that the price I was paying for veg oil tracked the price of diesel and was about 70 - 80pence/litre. Where are you getting oil for 50P/L? Is it used oil?
    Ah, i see your point about the heat exchanger, the reason why i am thinking of not going that route is because i was prepared to put a blend of 75% Veg oil, 15% Diesel and 10% Petrol you see so that should negate the need for the kit.
    Yes, it is used veg oil that i currently centrifuge but will probably filter instead using micron nets/filters.

    You know, (It's a bit late now i suppose) using a watering can seems perfect to fill my car up, the watering can even has a wide top so filling that is also easy.

    My only other 'problem' is that any A3 i get is probably going to be around the 140,000 mark! I dont know how long these engines run for you see.

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    get an electric pump for the transfer of oil, even a caravan water pump works well and is ideal for going into small openings in jerry cans etc

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    Any more thoughts on the longevity of an A3 around the 140,000 mark? Too much? And as for any concerns regarding the clocking of the miles, doesn't a HPI negate this potential problem?

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    arn't there certain Tax laws that have to be followed when running veg oil ??? i know it's not often but they do check fuel sometimes in random stop checks.... we had them outside the gates of our works a couple of years back dip checking every diesel that entered site
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666markyboy View Post
    arn't there certain Tax laws that have to be followed when running veg oil ??? i know it's not often but they do check fuel sometimes in random stop checks.... we had them outside the gates of our works a couple of years back dip checking every diesel that entered site
    Yes there is but it's something unbelievable huge like 1200 litres per year before you have to declare your usage (Im sure i'll be corrected on this amount soon). So up to that point, it's legal.

    I guess they were looking for red diesel users. Did anyone fail?

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    Mine was on 205K and still going strong when I sold it

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    Quote Originally Posted by buel View Post
    Yes there is but it's something unbelievable huge like 1200 litres per year before you have to declare your usage (Im sure i'll be corrected on this amount soon). So up to that point, it's legal.

    I guess they were looking for red diesel users. Did anyone fail?
    2500 litres per year per person

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    Hi again.
    Can anyone tell me if it is at all possible to modify the front end of a 2000-2003 A3 1.9 Diesel (that I am going to buy) to look even remotely like the front of these two A3s:

    http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...6062012851.jpg
    http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...1022012528.jpg

    I guess what i really mean is just the grill (Is this an S-line grill?)

    Thank you- B

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    Hello, anyone?

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    I really would like some advice, if i can please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buel View Post
    I really would like some advice, if i can please?
    Don't think people are ignoring you mate. Just don't think many on here really know about running veg oil in cars... Mostly the type on this forum that pay for Vpower/bp ulitimate over normal 95...

    Maybe better of over at moneysavingexpert or the car equivilent - sorry if that sounds rude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3 Andy View Post
    Don't think people are ignoring you mate. Just don't think many on here really know about running veg oil in cars... Mostly the type on this forum that pay for Vpower/bp ulitimate over normal 95...

    Maybe better of over at moneysavingexpert or the car equivilent - sorry if that sounds rude!
    Hi Andy,
    No you're not being rude. I see your point but id like to bring the thread back to my original question, if i may:
    Is it possible to upgrade the grill on a 2000/2001/2002 A3 to the more modern grill, is it the S-line?
    Basically id like to know who i need to contact and a rough idea of what it'd cost me?

    Thanks, i hope this is ok to ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buel View Post
    Hi Andy,
    No you're not being rude. I see your point but id like to bring the thread back to my original question, if i may:
    Is it possible to upgrade the grill on a 2000/2001/2002 A3 to the more modern grill, is it the S-line?
    Basically id like to know who i need to contact and a rough idea of what it'd cost me?

    Thanks, i hope this is ok to ask.
    Bonnet Audi A3 8L

    + paint you're prob looking at close to 1k...

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3 Andy View Post
    Bonnet Audi A3 8L

    + paint you're prob looking at close to 1k...
    Thanks Andy.
    I live in Shropshire, any recommended places that will fit and paint these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by buel View Post
    Thanks Andy.
    I live in Shropshire, any recommended places that will fit and paint these?
    Try these people

    Shropshire Cheese

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3 Andy View Post
    Try these people

    Shropshire Cheese
    Not helpful.

 

 

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