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    Best Value Manifold - and a few other

    i was looking at manifolds

    Are the ebay ones crap ? or worth a go ? Any other suggestions ?

    The thing Is I am doing a complete engine rebuild inc hybrid turbo / injectors / rods etc. since my turbo failed (Think My Turbo gave up :()
    and my funds are running tight, but I would rather not put my brand new Hybrid onto the stock manifold where it will be restricted but I don't want to be shelling out another £400 ideally either.

    also I have ordered the Rods, where is the best place (quality and value wise) to order big end bearings, and timing belt kit. Do I need to do anything else whilst doing the rods ?

    I was looking on ebay for timing belt: Water Pump Audi S3 Quattro 1.8i 20v Turbo 4x4 98-03 | eBay & Audi S3 1.8T Quattro Gates Cam Belt Kit upto 2003 | eBay

    Cant find big end bearings anywhere, is it a main dealer part ? rough cost ?

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    i bought a genuine water pump from audi (tps) wasn't much different's in price. also a quick note on water pumps, The metal impellers start leaking through the shaft after a while,

    the genuine audi pumps have been updated and are now made out of composite which is very strong

    The gates cambelt kit is about the best you can get and are what audi provide you with anyway

    Dont no about the mani's though

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    What manifolds have you been looking at?

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    The xs power manifold worked for Welly but it will almost certainly need modification, but shouldnt be that expensive

    There is the TSR manifold but thats something like £800

    And If you can wait theres always the JBS mani, but thats been 'coming out soon' since I was a lad

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    Would a new piston ring set nit be a good idea? New rod bearings too?

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    I certainly wouldnt be refitting the pistons on the old rings.

    I got all my rebuild parts from Jason at All German Parts, bar the big end bearings which i ordered from PAGParts along with the rods.

    Rings and bearings were Mahle brand iirc.

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    Water pump is only £40 exchange from Audi (well I got mine at the local VW dealer). Worth it's weight in gold buying genuine there, mine started leaking through the shaft seal after about a year, so it was changed under warranty by VW (on my A3!). And when I mean changed I mean they changed it themselves and gave me a courtesy car for the day, I bought a new timing belt cover and had them pop that on too as they have to remove them anyway.
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    Thanks everyone, the manifolds I was looking at on ebay were fro A4 / passat anyway, oops.

    Looks like i will be ordering this manifold : VW / Audi KKK Turbo Manifold, Audi Turbo Manifolds, XS Power Inc. which seems really good value.

    will order Timing belt kit and water pump from Audi as recommended.

    Will order those big end bearings Dave mentioned Audi 1.8T Big End bearing set DLC Coated Race series | eBay

    so its jsut piston rings to think about. I will get a price from Audi for OEM ones I think. unless anyone suggests differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dane View Post
    The xs power manifold worked for Welly but it will almost certainly need modification, but shouldnt be that expensive
    Why / how will it need to be modified ?
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    It will need a smack on one of the pipes....lol
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    What Dave said and the face that joins to the engine block might not be flat, all of which can be fairly easily sorted out. And one of the bolts is a pig to tighten IIRC

    Why it will need to be modified is the the only thing that appears to be consistant is XS powers inconsistancy. Welly is working with them on all of the above, see here for details. K04 downpipe & sports/decat group buy - gauging interest.

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    I dont buy anything like that from Audi.

    Audi dont make piston rings, they dont make water pumps and they dont make timing belts.

    The contitech timing belt kit i baught was made by the same folk as the original Audi parts (NTN and INA) but came at a sensible price without the Audi tax.

    Same goes for everything else. Why pay a premium when you can buy the same parts for half the cost elsewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inertiauk View Post
    Thanks everyone, the manifolds I was looking at on ebay were fro A4 / passat anyway, oops.

    Looks like i will be ordering this manifold : VW / Audi KKK Turbo Manifold, Audi Turbo Manifolds, XS Power Inc. which seems really good value.

    will order Timing belt kit and water pump from Audi as recommended.

    Will order those big end bearings Dave mentioned Audi 1.8T Big End bearing set DLC Coated Race series | eBay

    so its jsut piston rings to think about. I will get a price from Audi for OEM ones I think. unless anyone suggests differently.
    The manifold in the link isn't for a K04 on an S3... its a K03 manifold...

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    good luck with value..

    I have a couple of manifolds which are going to be tested.. for k04's..
    One we know of, which is dougs, which is being modded to make it slightly better, and another, which I am being sent a sample of, which is based on my own design which Danes running, but with a couple of updates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    The manifold in the link isn't for a K04 on an S3... its a K03 manifold...

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    So can you link to the correct one please ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inertiauk View Post
    So can you link to the correct one please ?
    Can only find them in the States at the moment: Audi / VW TT S3 Quattro GTi Stainless Race Manifold | eBay

    You will need studs to fit. If serious about it, I would review my hybrid build thread.
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    Im looking for your thread Welly, digging deep, how old is it ?

    I just reread this and had a horrible thought ... IE Con Rod 1.8T 144x20 | Shop VAG 1.8T | Backdraft Motorsport

    It says Con rod, not rods, it talks about 4 or 5 cylinder applications, surely this price is for a set of 4 and not just 1 Rod ?
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    Looks like one to me...

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    I hope not, IE don't have any in stock but they are $400 for what appears to be a full set, but then even their site doesn't specify.

    Integrated Engineering 144 x 20mm Forged Rods for 1.8t, VW 16v, Early 8v

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    Just rang Integrated Engineering, theirs is def a set of 4 but has a 3 week wait on the stock, cant ring backdraft until the morning.
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    IE rods are sold in 4's for the 1.8t... Think Bill @ Badger 5 might have a set in stock... IE always seem to be out of stock

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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    ..... and another, which I am being sent a sample of, which is based on my own design which Danes running, but with a couple of updates.
    FrankenTurbo unit??

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    Man i need a new manifold do any of the ones you have need a test bed Bill?
    Ive been Badger 5'd

    Can we break the magic 300?????? In a word Yes 314 BHP 249 lbft at Badger 5

    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    steves is way quicker than any stock turbo'd s3 i have driven
    I only date skinny Women! They keep my power to weight higher...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy Steve View Post
    Man i need a new manifold do any of the ones you have need a test bed Bill?
    Bills works well ;P

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    yeah but Bill wouldnt make me one
    Ive been Badger 5'd

    Can we break the magic 300?????? In a word Yes 314 BHP 249 lbft at Badger 5

    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    steves is way quicker than any stock turbo'd s3 i have driven
    I only date skinny Women! They keep my power to weight higher...

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    Heres the rods i have.....he sends them as a gift too....

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    Gifts still attract VAT and Duty.

    I went with Brute I-Beams from PAGParts as they're one of the few that dont require mods to the block on an AEB to make them fit, plus they come rifle drilled, which i wanted.

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    Not if you have happy birthday put on the box I work for a U S firm and ice hockey stuff sent over all the time and I dont pay vat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post

    If serious about it, I would review my hybrid build thread.
    I spent most of this tonight reading this thread (and other threads referenced on other forums), quite a roller-coaster, a lot of lessons learnt.
    I know you eventually went big turbo, but did the XS manifold survive ? Would you recommend it ?

    also what are the 'Studs' I will need for fitting? My mechanic will be doing the majority of the work, I will help where I can.

    My main remaining concern is that somone local to me will be able to map it well. Wayne of chipwizards in Rochdale is my local Mapping specialist (he is good but he's not VAG sepcific) I hope he can handle this. Need to give him a call to discuss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Gifts still attract VAT and Duty.

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    Well i have never been charged when i have had "gifts" sent
    3 to 4 times a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by G60DAN View Post
    Not if you have happy birthday put on the box I work for a U S firm and ice hockey stuff sent over all the time and I dont pay vat
    Doesnt matter what you write. Gifts, be it birthday, christmas or whatever else are eligable for VAT and duty just like any other import, albeit with a slightly higher threshold. The only way you'll get them into the country without paying tax is by sticking a very low value on the customs declaration, but i would imagine you then run the risk of customs siezing or returning the items due to a fraudulent declaration if its obvious the items are worth much more, plus if you've put Value: $10, on the form you'll only be insured for that amount should the package go missing in transit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by <tuffty/> View Post
    IE rods are sold in 4's for the 1.8t... Think Bill @ Badger 5 might have a set in stock... IE always seem to be out of stock

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    nope mate. they sold last week.
    IE's stocking suks on rods these past 7 months..
    I can get rods, but they're £330+vat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedrosousa View Post
    FrankenTurbo unit??
    thats a manifold I have here from Doug.. It needs a small mod to make fit better, but its one.
    Another is being made for testing currently for me. Which is based on my design with some upgrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s3dave View Post
    Heres the rods i have.....he sends them as a gift too....

    H-Beam (Conrods) Connecting Rods Audi S3/TT Turbo | eBay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inertiauk View Post
    but did the XS manifold survive ?
    Yeah, it did indeedy. I used it for 5000 miles, and my god did it see some heat.

    When it came off, it looked like a discoloured version of the one that went on. It was still in shape, and it had not cracked most importantly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Inertiauk View Post
    Would you recommend it ?
    That's a hard one to give an honest answer to - and thus I try to avoid doing so. I will let you make you own mind up with a list of pros and cons.

    Pros:
    It worked extremely well, and was far superior performance-wise to the 034 manifold that preceded it. It has a very nice and well thought out design, and a merge collector which means it flows well. It gave very good performance gains. Over the 5000+ miles I used it, it got a thrashing and maintained shape without cracking.

    Cons:
    Getting one with a flat head/manifold flange seems to be a challenge (if you do get bad one, keep sending them back until you get a good one). Fitting is a bit of a mare, but not beyond the wit of man. Reliability long term is unknown, however I have heard of people having been using them for 6 months upwards.

    In fairness, the manifold surpassed all my expectations, so it's not a bad bit of kit at all.

    The studs I used were K03 downpipe studs x 3 and corresponding nuts with Nordlock washers to stop them vibrating loose. A 'special' spanner is also required...
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    Another is being made for testing currently for me. Which is based on my design with some upgrades.
    Based on this (as I didn't know lol) I would hold out personally.

    The main benefit being that it will fit... Properly. No buggering about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badger5 View Post
    Not China my arse.. Would luv to see the Country of Origin... Taiwan is still part of ROC... lol
    What isnt made in china?
    These seemed decent quality and a mate as them on is 500bhp golf, with no issues, ive had no issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aragorn View Post
    Doesnt matter what you write. Gifts, be it birthday, christmas or whatever else are eligable for VAT and duty just like any other import, albeit with a slightly higher threshold. The only way you'll get them into the country without paying tax is by sticking a very low value on the customs declaration, but i would imagine you then run the risk of customs siezing or returning the items due to a fraudulent declaration if its obvious the items are worth much more, plus if you've put Value: $10, on the form you'll only be insured for that amount should the package go missing in transit.

    See here: HM Revenue & Customs
    You said this before but clearly it's worked for me and Dan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welly View Post
    Based on this (as I didn't know lol) I would hold out personally.

    The main benefit being that it will fit... Properly. No buggering about.

    Time isn't on my side though, using the girlfriends car at the moment which cant carry on forever. need mine back on the road asap.

    Going to order the XS one, seems good for the money.
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